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Seagate Reveals 'World's Largest' 60TB SSD (zdnet.com)
An anonymous reader writes: While Samsung has the world's largest commercially available SSD coming in at 15.36TB, Seagate officially has the world's largest SSD for the enterprise. ZDNet reports: "[While Samsung's PM1633a has a 2.5-inch form factor,] Seagate's 60TB Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) SSD on the other hand opts for the familiar HDD 3.5-inch form factor. The company says that its drive has "twice the density and four times the capacity" of Samsung's PM1633a, and is capable of holding up to 400 million photos or 12,000 movies. Seagate thinks the 3.5-inch form factor will be useful for managing changing storage requirements in data centers since it removes the need to support separate form factors for hot and cold data. The company says it could also scale up capacity to 100TB in the same form factor. Seagate says the 60TB SSD is currently only a 'demonstration technology' though it could release the product commercially as early as next year. It hasn't revealed the price of the unit but says it will offer 'the lowest cost per gigabyte for flash available today.'"
Oh great, now you have a 60TB drive that will fail taking everything with it and because of the size making backups very costly to boot.
hurray more porn!
I'll buy 4 of these for $99 each on black Friday 2021 and put them in a RAID.
Why hype up how large it is? It's not a penis. Typically you want your storage devices to be small but high capacity.
Where is the pci-e based one?
More storage density meaning stray neutrons from space (and yes, that's a real 'thing'!!!) could flip a load of bits in one go!
It'll be interesting on how the long term storage/reliability holds up over time. If you don't continually check those CRC's (guessing in idle time) then you'll never know they've been flipped to correct them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error (stuff relevant to this kind of thing)
Why would a tech site such as slashdot ever, EVER, bother with metrics such as "number of photos" or "number of movies". We know how big a Terabyte is. We don't need it spelled out in such mundane, and ambigous terms such as "number of photos".
I can definitely imagine needing the 15TB one in a few years. After being more of a classical literature and music person for most of my life, I've been getting into film. The canon of great films consists of hundreds of titles, at least. In the past you'd have to be lucky to live in a developed country with a well-stocked library, or have a truly massive disposable income to buy all the DVDs yourself. But people today have an incredible opportunity, regardless of their means or location, to educate themselves about this (or any other) art form thanks to torrent communities.
When you're downloading Bluray rips at full quality, where a single film can be 25GB, then storage space starts filling up quickly. One could delete after viewing to save space, but who knows, maybe someday you'll want to watch a particular title again or show it to a friend or loved one, and at that point there might not be any seeders left on the torrent. So, if storage gets cheap enough, then it's worth keeping it all on disk.
In the entirety of my personal computer inventory (8 desktops, 4 Poweredges of varying vintage, 3 laptops) I have exactly one SSD, a 32GB in a laptop that holds the OS and nothing else. Seen too many horror stories of stuff getting lost to SSD drives that die far sooner than they ought to.
Give me spinning platters or give me death!
Given their reputation, I expect that about a week after I've loaded it full of irreplaceable data (and not-backed-up), it will inexplicably start making clicking noises, and all of my data will be corrupted when read... to die an ignoble death 2 days later with a "pop" and a loud, winding-down whine.
How about 400 to 500 4K (or higher) uncompressed movies...
That is why Avago Technologies buyed PEX so they can start pushing pci-e based storage back planes
The cost of being too lazy to back up just went 'way, 'way up.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
You buy 4 or 5 of these and put them in a NAS which you put somewhere in your electric meter box, close to your battery pack that stores your solar energy and fast chargers your electric car. With this amount of space you can make hourly progressive backups forever and never have to wonder if you still have enough space.
SSDs will be able to hold my photo collection. /s
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
This would hold a lot of video of you and your mom.
I don't know anyone who has or needs anywhere close to this amount if storage.
An enterprise SSD drive is not targeted at individuals, it is targeted at companies. Hence the "enterprise" designation. A single drive that large would potentially replace an entire RAID array, although you're obviously going to trade some performance and reliability, but it's a great place for storing large long-term backup images.
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So, anyone know how many Library's of Congress a beowulf cluster of these would hold for our newly welcomed Solid State Overlords?
You're thinking of individuals, but the very first sentence of the summary says "for the enterprise". Lots of companies have tons of data that they could store on something like this. Since many nerds work for such companies, this seems relevant to their interests.
Lowest price per gigabyte? When you are talking about 60-100TB drives we are now looking at the cost per TB. And we know there are initial setup costs to manufacture but at the end of the day these are still devices made of the cheapest and most plentiful materials on earth and essentially photoreplicated. Sure start it at $10 grand for the suckers like the 2.5 for 6 months but then drop this sucker down to a sane price for the next year for enterprise sales at maybe $400 with a 5 year warranty and to early adopter masses at $200 with a 1 year warranty. By the time that warranty is up make $200 a 3 year warranty and put out a $150 1 year and $100 90 day units. Make 10's of TB the new benchmark fast.
I've already put a very serious dent in my 24TB home array. The problem with a giant array is that although it is very redundant and unlikely to fail your options are pretty limited on where to shift the data to if you want to change something about it.
Mayber higher and higher drive capacities with fast drives will finally start to put some pressure on the companies with 10gbe cores to stop milking ridiculous prices for tech that is ancient. We are very fast approaching the point (in some ways we are already there) where processing is the data bottleneck.
So we've finally reached the point of SSD's overtaking disk drives, and replacing them outright - and finally seem to be getting a decent boost in storage space as well, given how disk drives seem to have stagnated for quite a long time now...
would hold a bunch.
I work for a government Agency and manage 5 PB of cold data, which is mostly atmospheric and air data. Our backup with compression and DeDup is 2.2PB. This need is widespread. We accomplish this now with multiple NAS/SAN devices.This does not to include our production systems which require about 18TB of data per site, and we have 8 sites collecting data only holding for 30 days. IoT and all of the data analytics being recorded with it will make 60TB seem like 60gb in about 10 years time. This technology is usually 10 years away from consumer so stop being so pessimistic.
That's a pretty narrow minded view of the world. I'm glad people like you aren't the ones in charge of technical advancement.
as reported in these drive longevity/failure tests that are becoming popular, it probably also offers the lowest lifespan per GB. At this size and cost per unit, I would stay clear from it. Just go with the Samsung, it delivers the most value for money.
if I were looking at 60TB hard drives, why would I pick the largest one?
unfortunately, they are the ones getting business degrees and holding the purse strings
Who cares what a big talker with no substance like you has to say AmicusNYCL after APK kicked your ass again https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... you pitiful fucking blowhard bullshit artist liar!
Go make some actual friends, Alex. You don't have any here, and everyone can see it. Nobody has ever been fooled by your sockpuppets.
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I know...I could not help myself.
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> How does this affect anyone at all? I don't know anyone who has or needs anywhere close to this amount if storage.
Whether you realize it or not, you probably use multi-petabyte storage arrays daily or have some running nearby without even realizing it.
Walk into a large modern casino with thousands of cameras following your every move, there is probably a multi-petabyte SAN with video footage of you.
Do you use Bank of America, Citicorp, etc? You're accessing data that are stored on SANs that are many petabytes in size.
Do you have a VPS with a larger hosting company? Chances are it's on a half-petabyte or larger SAN.
This will be a huge breakthrough - for data centers they will pay for themselves in energy savings pretty quickly, and also will allow for installation of physically-smaller SANs, with buildouts only being needed as storage bandwidth is saturated.
Plus, Windows' install footprint could be approaching a terabyte in a decade. I'm joking but think it is plausible that this may actually come true. >_>
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amicusNYCL I don't know who alex is but say what you want by anonymous posts now, you got your behind handed to you by APK and you're all talk.
... and wait 'till it costs 30 Euros in the bargain bin.
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Walk into a large modern casino with thousands of cameras following your every move, there is probably a multi-petabyte SAN with video footage of you.
Yea, but nobody in their right mind is using SSD SANs for storing video surveillance.
My concern, as someone who runs petabyte scale SSD arrays, is the rebuild and reliability factors of this drive. Our typical system is built on top of a custom and very simple M2. carrier PCB, with 16x M2 slots, a SAS PMP and a 4x SAS connector. Failures of individual M2 modules are quickly handled by pulling the sled, removing the failed module and replacing it. A typical sled is 7.68TB raw or about 5TB when formatted with RAIDZ2. Having to mirror 60TB of data over a 1x SAS interface would really upset our reliability margins. Also this thing would be ridiculously slow. We currently throw away some performance for the sake of cost scaling by having 48Gbps SAS per 7.68TB, but having 12Gbps SAS for 60TB would just be too slow.
I don't know who this is targeted at, but it doesn't work for us, it's just too slow and unreliable. If anything we want a low cost way to replace our SAS expander boards with a native PCIe NVMe solution to increase our bandwidth/capacity ratio. This product makes sense for people who are density constrained, but for us a rack consumes roughly 3 m^2 of floor (including standing room in front and rear of the rack), and doesn't cost anything like $16k; for our bulk storage, HDDs still make sense, even though they take up many times the space of this thing.
There are data-centers under stock exchanges and other high priced real estate where a rack costs much more than ours, and those people are going to love a device like this. Also mobile telemetry operators are going to love these. It looks like this thing might well be lighter or the same weight as a HDD, and at 8x the density, it would be fantastic for recording highly detailed phototelemetry, though SAS12 only gives you ~ 1GB/s of write performance, an aircraft would need to be airborne for 60k seconds (~16.7 hours) for it to be used to its full capability.
Looking at the Samsung PM1633A, I would replace all the HDDs in my home NAS if it was 10x cheaper. Currently I have 6x 240GB SSDs in my home NAS, for L2ARC, ZIL and fast storage. I have no need for greater capacity at home, and the write and read performance is basically identical to the 480GB SSDs. I might double this to 12 SSDs, but more likely I will use an NVMe SSD, though having to buy 2 of them for any sane level of reliability makes it less appealing than scaling out SATA SSDs with SAS controllers.
Most homes don't have 40GigE, but I'm rich and I like to play, so I do. To flog my 40G network, I really need a minimum of 8 SATA3 saturating SSDs, but in practice less will do with the 256GB of RAM in my NAS. The ZFS ARC really makes things fly. Windows boots like a flash over 40G iSCSI.
http://www.xkcd.com/1257/
A drive large enough to hold all my porn in the palm of my hand!
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STILL a Seagate. You can polish a turd all you want, but at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
You are joking, but I am sure many of us have seen "home grown" business with mixtures of enterprise grade and home/consumer grade tech that makes us want to cry on many occasions. As long as it "still works" they will fight tooth and nail to keep it just the way it is.
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This is clearly an enterprise product.
If you're doing a lot of random database reads, a low-latency disk with decently high bandwidth is exactly what you want. (Patterned reads should end up cached or prefetched into RAM.)
A larger array of smaller-capacity SSDs would be better for an intensive write environment, but if you primarily need random bits of data very quickly then this will be of interest. (A database write generates more IOs than a read, plus writes often take longer to begin with---so having fewer IOPS is more likely to be acceptable for read-heavy loads.)
This product may appeal to enterprises as an economical purchase if they have a specific workload. Or, if they need as much high-performance storage as they can get, then this will deliver it using less rack space and power.
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According to the latest ruleset, this post should be modded as Vorpal Flamebait +5.
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I really, really hope you continue to link to that thread, APK. I know I will. Keep it up with the "third-party" posts too, that totally helps your case.
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I read that exchange. Apk's done a lot more than you have in computing. You can't produce a single thing amicusNYCL.
Yes APK, I read that exchange too. I'm glad you did, even though you chose to retreat and stop responding, because you're a pussy.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
amicusnycl you're a pussy hiding behind a fake name online since you haven't done anything others said is good in publication or trade shows in computing as apk has you pusscake punk. Show us proof you've done more than apk has in computing pussy. He challenged you to do that and you can't. You're a loser. Apk didn't have to reply anymore after proving you've accomplished nothing and he produced tons of things he did that did well in the areas noted above.
Yeah, you're definitely not APK, obviously some other random person who supports APK. Because everyone totally uses phrases like "in computing" in normal, everyday conversation. Yep, definitely someone completely different and obviously not the little bitch who got called out on his bullshit. There is not a single person here who would possibly look at that post and assume that it is the same bitch that got called out. It is obviously someone completely different, maybe the same completely different person who started posting and defending APK at the exact same time when you, sorry I mean he, decided to stop posting as himself. Yes, clearly he has many supporters who are definitely not him just being a little bitch because he got called out and exposed. He's far too clever to do anything like that, and definitely has the nuts to create an account and let everyone know when he's posting.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
You're a pathetic do nothing chattering roach hiding behind a fake name online amicusnycl. This proves you got called out exposed as a do nothing nobody https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9505391&cid=52680321/ and you couldn't show you've done anything worthwhile but apk could.
No, you dumb bitch, that doesn't show me being exposed as anything. What that shows is that you think that suggesting improvements to a piece of software 16 years ago, and getting paid $100 for a forum post 8 years ago, are things that should be on the top of your resume today. What that shows is you hold up gold stars from your teacher and use those to argue that you're a superior programmer. And you do all of this without even knowing anything about my own work. Seriously, what kind of professional argues that they are better at their job than someone that they know nothing about? In short, it shows you for the bullshit artist that you are. Really though, keep posting that link.
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Yes amicusnycl you FAT disgusting pathetic do nothing chattering bloatbody roach hiding behind a fake name online. You got called out exposed as a do nothing https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9505391&cid=52680321/ and can't show you've done anything worthwhile. Apk can. We know all about you and you can't stand it. Apk's done well. You haven't. Look at your foaming at the mouth reactions! Says it all, hahahahaha (yes we're laughing at you fat roach).