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Tesla Owner In China Blames Autopilot For Crash (usatoday.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from USA Today: The owner of a Tesla Motors Model S sedan in China reportedly said his vehicle crashed into a car on the side of the road while the vehicle's Autopilot system was engaged, but the automaker said the driver was using the system improperly. Luo Zhen, 33, of Beijing told Reuters that his vehicle collided with a parked car on the left side of a highway, damaging both vehicles but injuring no one. He criticized Tesla sales people for allegedly describing the vehicle as "self-driving." "The impression they give everyone is that this is self-driving, this isn't assisted driving," he told Reuters. In the new case in China, Tesla said the Model S was "following closely behind the car in front of it when the lead car moved to the right to avoid hitting the parked car." "The driver of the Tesla, whose hands were not detected on the steering wheel, did not steer to avoid the parked car and instead scraped against its side," Tesla said Wednesday in a statement. "As clearly communicated to the driver in the vehicle, Autosteer is an assist feature that requires the driver to keep his hands on the steering wheel at all times, to always maintain control and responsibility for the vehicle, and to be prepared to take over at any time."

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  1. Autopilot is a glorified cruise control by guruevi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never heard about people being that stupid when cruise control was introduced into the mainstream. Autopilot, as it stands, is a smarter form of cruise control (it basically helps you maintain the speed without your foot on the pedal but it's a bit fancier than a fixed speed)

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    1. Re:Autopilot is a glorified cruise control by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Buy our new car with DrivesItself* technology"

      And then in small-print:

      *car does not actually drive itself.

      See the problem? Just change the fecking name.

      And promotional material is skimmed by the very first owner only. You can put all the crap you like in there, it's still misleading to name it Autopilot.

    2. Re:Autopilot is a glorified cruise control by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Informative

      An autopilot landing is actually more work and is more stressful than a normal, manual landing. There's a checklist of things to verify before you can even start the approach, and we have to be extremely attentive to any errors the autopilot could make. We regularly practice these approaches in the simulator: ground equipment failures, autopilot failures, instrument failures, engine failures, you name it. Some of these are quite subtle, like the one that crashed a Turkish Airlines flight in Amsterdam in 2009. The radio altimeter malfunctioned, so the autopilot thought it was close to the ground and pulled the throttles back to idle. In reality, the plane was still 500 ft above the ground and stalled.

      Interestingly, the accident was classified as "pilot error" because the pilots should have intervened when the speed dropped below approach speed.

    3. Re:Autopilot is a glorified cruise control by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like saying you don't need a childproof medicine lid as long as you have the warning **Keep out of reach of children**.

      I have no children, no children ever come into my home, but I do have rheumatism and childproof lids are also arth1proof. When the local pharmacy no longer provided easy-open lids, I switched pharmacies.
      I shouldn't have to pay a price in pain because other people can't keep meds and spawn apart.

      Options are good. Individual responsibility too.

  2. Re:bad driving by Dog-Cow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are a perfect illustration of the problem Tesla faces. You think you know what an airplane's autopilot does, based solely on the name, but you have no real clue.

  3. Re:bad driving by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some, not all, modern autopilots in airplanes can land an airplane provided the the airport is a Cat IIIb or Cat IIIc; i.e.: they require a fair bit of active infrastructure on the airport. In other situations, or with the rest of the installed autopilots in the world, they will only assist the pilot in keeping the planes attitude and heading.
    Yet whenever an airplane - be it a small private plane or a passenger jet - crashes when on autopilot, no one is suggesting the pilot is free of blame...

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  4. Re:Box by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, over a thousand people per day are dying in traffic accidents worldwide. SDCs likely could prevent most of those. You want that progress held up because, what, 3 people have died in a year? Get some sense of perspective.

  5. Re:The have a sensor... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The sensor does stop the car after a couple of minutes of not touching the wheel or responding to prompts.

    I don't think forcing the user to keep their hands on the wheel at all times will help much. Take a look at this video of a guy sleeping with autopilot on, presumably with one hand on the wheel so that it thinks he is paying attention.

    The real issue here is that if the car does 99.9% of the work for hours on end you can't really expect human beings to remain attentive and ready to take over in a fraction of a second. Tesla have found the danger zone of inattentiveness between a high level of automation and full autonomy.

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  6. Re:Not suitable for all driving conditions by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are two sets of rules in China, the simple and the complicated.

    The simple:
    1. There are no rules.

    The complicated:
    1. Lane markings are just to keep painters employed and can be ignored.
    2. Traffic police are to keep traffic police employed and can be ignored.
    3. Indicators are just to boost the lightbulb industry and don't serve any purpose.
    4. Horns are to communicate with drivers in all circumstances even if you have absolutely nothing to say.
    5. You always have right of way if you're bigger, infront, or more cars are queued up behind you than queued up behind the person you're cutting off.
    6. It is always the other person's fault.
    7. No the red light it meaningless it is always the other person's fault.

    In many ways the auto-pilot did the right thing and just ran into the person who dared to let you run into him.

  7. Re:Dictionary Definition of Autopilot by ls671 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The tricky problem about this technology is that it is aimed at taking the burden away from what is required to be able to take over. At least, most people perceive it that way at first. Proper training is required and you know what? In the end, it requires more concentration to watch on standby ready to take over than manually driving the car yourself.

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  8. Re:bad driving by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And why doesn't Tesla simply call it, "Cruise Control Plus" or something catchy like that instead of giving people the wrong idea?

    What the actual fuck? Cruise control does not steer. Distance-sensitive cruise control is cruise control plus. This is something else entirely. Something which controls heading and speed but which does not take complete responsibility for the vehicle. And do you know what we call a device like that? We call it an autopilot. You want Tesla to use a shit name that is less descriptive than what they are using now, and you'd call it an improvement. That's stupid bullshit. Don't be stupid, or bullshit.

    Every single suggestion from a slashdotter as to what to call this feature is actually more confusing than autopilot, including yours. Buy a fucking dictionary, and spend some time with it.

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