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China Launches World's First Quantum Communications Satellite (theverge.com)

hackingbear quotes a report from The Verge: China's quantum network could soon span two continents, thanks to a satellite launched earlier today. Launched at 1:40pm ET, the Quantum Science Satellite is designed to distribute quantum-encrypted keys between relay stations in China and Europe. When working as planned, the result could enable unprecedented levels of security between parties on different continents. China's new satellite would put that same fiber-based quantum communication system to work over the air, utilizing high-speed coherent lasers to connect with base stations on two different continents. The experimental satellite's payload also includes controllers and emitters related to quantum entanglement. The satellite will be the first device of its kind if the quantum equipment works as planned. According to the Wall Street Journal, the project was first proposed to the European Space Agency in 2001 but was unable to gain funding.

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  1. Re:Any military use? by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Informative

    The military application is there if the quantum technology is protecting secret communication to a level that makes it impossible for anyone external to view it.

    I wonder if they have been able to also implement a way to detect if someone listens to the signal using entanglement. It would be quite the deal if it was possible to detect that on a wireless signal.

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  2. Really? You need to ask this? by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, I would say that secure key distribution has a military application - secure communications.
    Good on them I say, pushing the limits further, real science..

    Compare that with the reaction of the DNC to their hacked emails, by creating a board of lawyers
    and politicos to fix their security problems. I can only assume by pushing for more spying and
    monitoring laws, less encryption, and backdoors in everything, because that helps, right?

    Face it, the Chinese are rapidly become world technology leaders, and denial wont stop it.
    These days it looks like the Chinese are working hard to become the new Renaissance state, while
    the west is rushing to emulate the worst of Maoist stats China through totalitarian control and monitoring
    of their citizens..

    Sad really, but inevitable with a western population that has become too focused on maximising their own
    personal comfort, and running in fear at anything that is unfamiliar or uncomfortable - basically ceding total
    control to a state that is more than happy to grab it and run. Those in power will be laughing all the way
    to the collapse, with little thought to what happens after.

    But dont worry, just keep supporting your liberal left, or your religious right, and ignore the fact that both
    sides are playing the same gave of totalitarian control at any cost, while the east gets on with actual
    production and development.

    1. Re:Really? You need to ask this? by invid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China's growth has been impressive, and it is a fantastically dynamic country, but it still has significant disadvantages. The portion of its population that is still in poverty exceeds the entire population of the United States, and its government is ramping up its repression of dissent, which is a troubling sign. The transition to a consumer economy will not be easy, and there is still the danger of uprisings. I'm old enough to remember talk of the Soviet Union destroying the American Empire, a united Europe destroying the American Empire, OPEC taking over the world, Japan rising and surpassing America, and now of a Chinese Century. Somehow the US is still on top. The US has so many inherent advantages, and the rest of the world so many inherent disadvantages, I don't see a loss of American dominance until at least 2050. China will require a significant social reorganization before it can surpass the US, and it looks like the pressures on infrastructure caused by climate change will probably derail that possibility.

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    2. Re:Really? You need to ask this? by invid · · Score: 2

      The two biggies are GDP and ability to project military power globally. You can throw in national currency as global currency with highest market cap. If China exceeds the US in those I would say it has surpassed the US.

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    3. Re:Really? You need to ask this? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The portion of its population that is still in poverty exceeds the entire population of the United States"

      The Chinese cohort of anything exceeds the entire population of the United States. This is also true of the number of Chinese brains being applied to science/tech problems of every kind.

      We fear what our lawyers cannot suppress.

    4. Re:Really? You need to ask this? by invid · · Score: 2

      lol okay. Tell me how that matters to anyone that's not a megalomaniac. Does it put food on the table? Help people pay their hospital bills?

      This is actually an interesting topic. Is it more beneficial for an individual to live in a country with more or less global power? Does global power translate to a better life for a country's citizens? An argument against this is that a global power has to spend resources outside of the country to maintain its power, like for the military, and for financial aid to weaker allies. But there are economic returns for those military expenditures--military dominance does lead to better access to different markets and resources, whether gotten implicitly or explicitly. For the individual, you could say that it's best to live in a small country under the protection of a larger power, like Denmark, where the country can invest more in its citizens. But Greece is also a small country living under a larger power, and Greece has lost economic control over its destiny. Ultimately, the destiny of Denmark relies on the benevolence of greater powers. I'll tell you this, when travelling abroad there is a big difference in how you are treated between being an American and being from, let's say, Sudan. It's a sad commentary on the current state of affairs, but a human life from a country with greater socio/economic/military power is treated as having more value than a life from a poor country.

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    5. Re:Really? You need to ask this? by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      military dominance does lead to better access to different markets and resources, whether gotten implicitly or explicitly.

      I'm just saying, looking at outcomes this is apparently not helping us very much. Our quality of life is substantially lower than countries with little or no military power.

  3. No, its borked by the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a human readable primer on it:
    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/how-quantum-cryptography-works-and-by-the-way-its-breakable/

    I've marked the backchannel of extra filtering information with a **** below. You will see this in all Quantum signal experiments. An extra channel of information used to fixup the result. Think about it for a second, you're exchanging KEYS not information, and the KEY exchange itself requires an exchange of a backchannel in a secure way!

    How it works for light:

    Alice uses a light source to create a photon.
    The photon is sent through a polarizer and randomly given one of four possible polarization and bit designations — Vertical (One bit), Horizontal (Zero bit), 45 degree right (One bit), or 45 degree left (Zero bit).
    The photon travels to Bob's location.
    Bob has two beamsplitters — a diagonal and vertical/horizontal - and two photon detectors.
    Bob randomly chooses one of the two beamsplitters and checks the photon detectors.
    The process is repeated until the entire key has been transmitted to Bob.
    ****Bob then tells Alice in sequence which beamsplitter he used.
    Alice compares this information with the sequence of polarizers she used to send the key.
    Alice tells Bob where in the sequence of sent photons he used the right beamsplitter.
    Now both Alice and Bob have a sequence of bits (sifted key) they both know.

    ---------------------

    The assumption is that the attacker cannot see the key exchange message without affecting it by more than a statistical error.
    However real world attacks mean you can read the photon and send a similar polarized photon to Bob. In the Swedish attack on this, they sent LOTS of photons, some of which were bound to have the correct polarization, in effect they overwhelmed the detector which has no way of knowing if photons are at both slits because Bob only checks one slit. But an easier attack is to attack the back channel of info. Since Alice keeps sending till she thinks Bob has the full key, an attacker can force her to keep sending till *he* has the key from his choice of photons by intercepting Bobs message back and adding his own mistakes to it.

    In the real world fiber optics have repeaters (electrical signal boosters) and QC key exchange does not work.
    In the real world fiber optics lose photons, and you cannot send individual photons and reliably receive it at the other end.

    Here (the space satellites) it likely also has no purpose, they could not ensure the single 'photon' is sent and received, it would be lost in the atmosphere, so there will be extra fixup signals. You could attack that extra-fixup too in a real world system, as well as the back channel. e.g. man in balloon intercepts the signal and sends a fake signal. He can't generate a real fake signal fast enough, so he generates his own. Did he guess right? No? Send the missing-bit signal and try again. Those sorts of attacks will likely be possible with their real world implementation.

  4. Re:Any military use? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This has been proven to work with fibre optic cable. You can't observe a photon without affecting it, and that observation is then detectable. The only difference is that now they are using lasers through the air rather than through fibre optic cables.

    It's not perfect, it's still possible that ways will be found to observe the light in a way that the tamper detection doesn't pick up on, but turning that into something you can reasonably hide in a position to intercept those photons is a not insignificant challenge.

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  5. I find your naivety charming by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You do know that China simply steals or buys its way into a lot of technological progress, right? Both the USA and Taiwan have recently arrested people who were happy to pass on secrets of various kinds to their masters in the PRC for money.

    But I also am a bit amused that you seem to think that quantum encryption - if they even pull it off - won't be used for bad purposes for the state. Maybe you're not aware of this, but people in China are not allowed Twitter or Facebook accounts because - I kid you not kid - the government is terrified of their possible use to mobilize the masses against the Communist Party. Mark Zuckerburg can suck up to them all he wants and continue to learn Mandarin in his spare time but it's not going to get them to relax their paranoia against a street revolution.

    I have a question not directed at you. Let's just say for example that they get this to work. Let's say that for now there is no way to break it. Is there a way to mess with the photons so that even if the encryption can't be broken, nobody on either end can use it for communication because it gets scrambled while going between the 2 sites?