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Solid-State Battery Could Extinguish Fire Risks (thestack.com)
An anonymous reader writes: "Researchers have designed a new type of battery that, unlike traditional models containing liquid or gel electrolytes, consists purely of solid chemical compounds and is non-flammable, representing a huge boost for improving battery safety," reports The Stack. "Responding to dangers linked to traditional lithium-ion batteries, the team based at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, has built a solid alternative which contains only solid-state electrodes and electrolytes." The battery is constructed with a layer of highly conductive lithium garnet, which works as a solid electrolyte between two electrodes. The researchers applied the material of the negative pole in viscous form, which allowed it to seep through the porous electrolyte layer. The team was able to temper the battery at 100C. "With a liquid or gel electrolyte, it would never be possible to heat a battery to such high temperatures," the study claims.
Because I had to click through three pages to get to the actual source:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
This will come to nothing. In a few months time, it will have been forgotten. Who wants to bet against me?
Unless I'm missing something they were a little vague as to the energy density of this battery technology. The one detail they did appear to provide is that the batteries only function decently at over 200 degrees Fahrenheit. Unless they're dirt cheap or can make some major leaps in their specs I don't think we'll be seeing this technology in any real use for a while.
Anything tiny that stores a couple of amp hours is going to do violent things when shorted out.
They're pretty obscure, you probably haven't heard of them.
Not anymore, now we have suddenly created a peak in the search for that technology.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Solid state, which means that it's not liquid, gas or vacuum state.
But vacuum state has a tendency to produce a nice comfortably glow when operating.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
If they have made this battery you know. Does it or doesn't it?
Needs more polish. Work on it then get back to us.
This tech is much, much more promising than what Sweden is working on. It also has the benefit of being made by someone with a history of actually bringing products to market, as well as said person having been a NASA engineer.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"Lithium batteries are not inherently dangerous"
Open it up and lick it.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
So, it's "inherently dangerous" unless I'm willing to open it up and lick it? By that standard, the ceramic batteries you mentioned below are also "inherently dangerous". For that matter, so is their inventor.
Do you not know what inherent means?
"existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute."
It's still lithium. There is still an inherent danger.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
They obviously are looking for gullible investors..
Good: batteries that won't catch fire.
Bad (but possibly good): batteries outgas lysergic acid during operation.
https://app.box.com/WitthoftResume Code: https://github.com/cellocgw
He's an idiot anyway. The GPL would only require the release of his code if he was trying to "steal" someone else's code.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Sorry, but ever since reading about a developer who was across the room while his laptop exploded while charging *I've* considered them dangerous. If you want to say that charging your laptop is "misuse or abuse", then I have to think you are asserting the batteries are worthless.
Some people have said "There must have been a manufacturing defect.". This is a reasonable hypothesis, but since as a user I have no way of detecting such a defect that doesn't remove them from the dangerous category.
To say the battery exploding is a low probability event is something I could accept without problem, but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous, just that they aren't *likely* to cause damage...and I have no good way of estimating the probability. For some reason manufacturers are pretty quiet about this, and how much could you trust what they say anyway in a case like this. Admitting possible culpability would put them squarely in the sites of lots of fire insurance companies.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
The issue is not one of liquid or gel construction -- which is an issue, to be sure... leaks, evaporation, boiling, etc. The issue with such technology is spelled:
L-I-T-H-I-U-M.
Lithium based batteries react rather poorly to being exposed to the atmosphere. Unless they've created a non-reactive lithium electrolyte, there's really nothing new here. (hint: that's not new, either.) So they've brought "AGM" to li-po technology.
They try to store as much energy as possible at least space as possible.
That's the problem, why batteries are always dangerous. There is just a lot of stored energy in there. For example enough to start a fire or to explode.