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World's Largest Aircraft Completes Its First Flight (cnn.com)

The world's largest aircraft has finally completed its first flight after months of preparation and years of searching for funding. The Airlander 10 as it's called spent 20 minutes in the air on Wednesday, landing safely at Cardington Airfield north of London. CNNMoney reports: "Part airship, part helicopter, part plane, the 300-foot long aircraft is about 50 feet longer than the world's biggest passenger planes. The Airlander, made by British company Hybrid Air Vehicles, has four engines and no internal structure. It maintains its shape thanks to the pressure of the 38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull, which is made from ultralight carbon fiber. The aircraft was originally designed for U.S. military surveillance. But the project was grounded in 2013 because of defense spending cuts. [The team behind the giant blimp-like aircraft] said the aircraft could carry communications equipment or other cargo, undertake search and rescue operations, or do military and commercial survey work. The Airlander can stay airborne for up to five days at a time if manned, and for more than two weeks if unmanned. It can carry up to 10 tons of cargo at a maximum speed of 91 miles per hour. The aircraft doesn't need a runway to take off, meaning it can operate from land, snow, ice, desert and even open water." You can view the historic flight for yourself here (Warning: headphone users beware of loud sound).

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  1. Waste of helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Helium is a rare element on Earth, despite being common in space. We need to be conserving our helium supplies. Why are we wasting helium on stuff like this?

    1. Re:Waste of helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      we should switch to Hydrogen, it's easier to get

    2. Re:Waste of helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So this is a waste, but party balloons ore ok? Because I guarantee a lot more He is wasted on party balloons than will ever be used on these aircraft, by many orders of magnitude.

    3. Re: Waste of helium by drakaan · · Score: 2
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    4. Re:Waste of helium by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure beats those non-portable aircraft!

    5. Re:Waste of helium by pastafazou · · Score: 2

      On one hand you argue about the efficiency of hydrogen versus helium in terms of atomic weight, but then you propose a solution to the volatility of hydrogen by proposing all cells are surrounded by an envelope of N2, which is far heavier than Helium and would likely undo any advantage gained by using hydrogen over helium. It's also worth pointing out that there's nothing stopping your "protective" envelope from being punctured, allowing the hydrogen to mix with oxygen, kind of like how the iceburg punctured enough of the watertight compartments on the Titanic to sink the "unsinkable" ship.

    6. Re:Waste of helium by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Helium is a rare element on Earth, despite being common in space. We need to be conserving our helium supplies. Why are we wasting helium on stuff like this?

      Sigh, this stuff again....

      1) All lifting uses combined (party balloons, blimps, etc) make up a fraction of the 13% "other" category.. The big wasters are industry, where they buy either gaseous (e.g. welding) or liquid (e.g. cryogenics) and just dump it to the outside air. No recovery effort whatsoever. To the people who run cryogenic / industrial equipment: Yes, I know, recovery systems are a cost and it's always iffy whether it pays for itself. But you, "cryogenic people", and you, "we're running out of helium people", fight amongst yourselves and leave lifting purposes - which use little helium - out of it.

      2) Of that fraction of a 13% dedicated to lifting purposes, blimps use only a small fraction of it.

      3) Modern fabric for blimps such as vectran or aluminized BoPET leak literally several orders of magnitude less than old fabrics like polyurethane-coated nylon.

      4) Old style blimps need regular venting to adjust lift. Part of the purpose of this new generation of hybrid blimps is that they don't have to do that. And it's not the only type that can do this; variable-superpressure blimps can as well, as can phase-change blimps (see project ALICE).

      In short, you're looking at a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of a small fraction of a fraction of 13% of helium usage. No, this is not a problem. Furthermore, concerning helium itself:

      1) It's not clear that we're anywhere near "running out of helium". Helium hasn't been studied nearly as much as more economically important resources like oil and gas. We really don't even understand why most deposits that are rich in helium are like that. Entire new categories of helium deposits, such as volcanic helium, are looking increasingly likely to be economical (it had previously been thought uneconomical because it would all be diluted with CO2; we're now finding that this isn't always the case). We're finding out that groundwater plays a role in where helium migrates to. And on and on. As helium prices rise, more work is finally getting put until understanding helium resources and finding new ones. It used to be just way too cheap for that.

      2) The absolute worst case for helium is refrigerating it from the atmosphere, as the end stage of what we currently do to separate other noble gases. By volume, neon is about 3,5 times more common than helium, while helium is about 60 times more abundant than xenon; so the volumetric price for helium should be between that of neon and xenon, but closer to neon. Expensive, but still available. Except for one thing...

      3) ... we'll never get to that point. Because any gases from the ground will always be significantly more helium rich than the atmosphere, so we'll always use them as our source. Even if today's helium resources do get depleted (not likely anytime soon, see #1), it just means a steady progression to less helium rich gases (including virtually limitless volcanic ones) as the source. It will never approach the price of gases like neon, even in the worst case.

      Also, from the summary:

      The Airlander, made by British company Hybrid Air Vehicles, has four engines and no internal structure. It maintains its shape thanks to the pressure of the 38,000 cubic meters of helium inside its hull,

      Um, no, it's not. Blimps don't work that way. Loads are distributed at the very least by catenary curtains and cables.

      If you want a small scale example, take a garbage bag, blow air into it, and tie it off (blimps only have a couple hundred pascals overpressure, they're not like party ballons). Now hang a weight from it. Notice how horribly it deforms. You need catenary curtains to distribute the weight of your load across the fabric, to maintain your desired (aerodynamic) shape. You also need ballonets, so that the blimp doesn't explode when you change altitude.

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    7. Re:Waste of helium by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      An envelope filled with N2 around each hydrogen cell would make a Hindenburg-style explosion pretty much impossible.

      It doesn't work that way. Ignoring the tremendous amount of extra mass you're proposing and the increased cross section, hydrogen does not instantly dilute; by and large it will just rise through the nitrogen to the outside. Furthermore, hydrogen has an incredibly broad flammability range; you only need a couple percent H2 for it to burn.

      Also, because the H2 molecule, being composed of two atoms, is twice as large as the He atom (helium doesn't pair with itself to form molecules), which only has one atom, it will take MUCH longer for the hydrogen to escape through the pores of the gas bag/lifting cell.

      Permeability does not work that way. Permeability is a complex process involving not just porosity but also affinities and solubilities. As a general rule, hydrogen and helium permeabilities are quite similar.

      a volume of hydrogen molecules is still halt the weight of the same volume of helium atoms.

      It's actually not that much of a difference because both are vastly lighter than air (2 vs 4 vs. 29).

      LZ-126/U.S.S. Los Angeles gives a real world example of the difference between operating the same ship with helium versus hydrogen.

      It's not that simple. They didn't just switch lifting gases, they also added an exhaust water recovery system (aka added weight and a bit of extra drag and a bit of parasitic energy consumption). Range of an airship is relative to its drag, its energy efficiency and the amount of fuel it can carry.

      if the Hindenburg had used helium instead of hydrogen,. it would have never got ff the ground.

      They wanted to use helium as the lifting gas, and lobbied the US for permission to import it. They actually designed the airship around the premise that they'd be able to convince the US, and had to redesign it when the US refused. Zeppelin, the world's biggest producer of hydrogen airships, still preferred helium. Hydrogen was out of necessity, not desirability.

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    8. Re:Waste of helium by geantvert · · Score: 2

      Hummm... I was under the impression that the lifting power of H2 was only marginally better than He.
      What matters is not the ratio of the mass of H2 with He but their difference with respect to the mass of the surrounding air.

      I do not have the right numbers but let's assume that the mass of 1m3 if gas is 1000g for air, 200g for He and 100g for H2.

      The lifting power of 1m3 of air is 1000-1000 = 0 (by definition)
      The lifting power of 1m3 of He is 1000-200 = 800g
      The lifting power of 1m3 of H2 is 1000-100 = 900g
      The lifting power of 1m3 of pure vacuum is 1000-0 = 1000g (the maximum)

      So we see in that example, that the lifting power of H2 is only 12.5% more that of He even though its weight is half.

    9. Re:Waste of helium by Suomi-Poika · · Score: 2

      What is this "tremendous amount of extra mass" you are referring to? If we take Hindenburg(not -berg you millennials!) as an example, the solution, and the idea, would be just to replace gas contents of the space between hydrogen cells and the airship outer shell.

      This is not increasing mass a lot since the only thing needed is to have a airtight and controlled outer shell where the pressure can be adjusted. Splitting the sections and adding pressure monitoring system would detect the outer shell ruptures immediately, adding time to react and repair damages if possible.

      All this does not make the airship fire or accident proof but it would add one very good feature: a spark or a hot spot of heat inside the outer cell would not ignite the hydrogen cells, specially if instead of nitrogen we use helium as the "insulator" gas. Then there is no oxygen for any kind of fire. Any total puncture would result a hydrogen+helium leak. I don't know how they dilute but my guess is probably better than hydrogen and nitrogen.

      Point here is that making the hydrogen relatively safe as a lifting gas it would make safe enough autonomous airships. Those can be used for transporting cargo and other tasks which do not need any personnel on board.

      Of course it is possible just use hydrogen only and take all of the risks at once... but still I'd estimate that cargo shippers would like high payload and added safety.

  2. Manned versus unmanned. by MenThal · · Score: 2

    If it can carry tons of cargo, why the huge difference in time for manned (5 days) and unmanned (2 weeks)? ... Is it perhaps the size of the portapotty needed for the bricks people on that thing will lay during the voyage?

    1. Re:Manned versus unmanned. by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Same as manned spaceflight versus unmanned. To support people you need living spaces, food, water, heat/AC, pressurized cabin, etc. Lots of extra weight and energy consumption.

    2. Re:Manned versus unmanned. by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Same as manned spaceflight - the glory days have gone.
      This is 300 foot long. The Graf Zeppelin of 1928 was 776 feet long with a useful lift of 60 tonnes.
      The Hindenberg was even bigger.

    3. Re:Manned versus unmanned. by Shoten · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Same as manned spaceflight - the glory days have gone.
      This is 300 foot long. The Graf Zeppelin of 1928 was 776 feet long with a useful lift of 60 tonnes.
      The Hindenberg was even bigger.

      As soon as I saw the picture of it, that's exactly what went through my mind as well. They claim in the write-up that they're some kind of revolutionary fusion of different technologies...it's just a modern blimp with turbofans for thrust and some fins for directional/pitch control. Nothing new to see here, and not even very big when compared to craft of similar nature.

      Even more importantly, it's a solution in search of a problem. They originally built it for the military...which means "we thought they'd buy it from us, but they just laughed so we need someone else to give us money now." Note the prominent "Invest in Us" button at lower right.

      Also, 10 tons of cargo is NOT a lot of capacity for something of this size. That's 20,000 pounds...while a C-17 can carry 169,000 pounds. A lot of that cargo capacity will be consumed by holding crew and the things needed to support them, as well.

      So...in short, what you have is an airship that cannot be parked outside (you would not believe what wind will do to something this big but this light), that cannot go very fast, that cannot carry very much, that probably (given the pervasive use of carbon composites and Vectran in its construction) costs a shit-ton of money to build and repair, and that is made by a company that probably won't be in business much longer. Waaaaaaa hoo.

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  3. Re:I thought Helium was a scarce resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is lots of Helium. It is a by product of oil and gas extraction and a huge amount was discovered recently in Africa.

  4. It's tiny compared to airships of the past by ribuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Airships of the past were much bigger. The Hindenberg was 803 feet long (245 meters), more than twice the length of this midget.

  5. Re:largest aircraft target by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    "hey, y'all! watch this!"

    Meanwhile, North Korean garlic, chili and cabbage head leader, Kimchi Jong-Un, has announced that they have successfully launched a giant rocket pin, which intercepted "a real big ass balloon".

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  6. International Units please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when will US posters finally stop using imperial manner and units when posting, translating foreign information into their own old-fashionned sick measurment units ? is it a flying ship or a myriapod ? (300 feets ... !! )

    1. Re:International Units please by dfghjk · · Score: 2

      Never, and people who complain about it are hypocrites. It's not incumbent on others to deal with your inconveniences.

    2. Re:International Units please by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      either that or you can become familiar with other units.

      There is something nicely retro in knowing that an acre was a measure of how much land an ox and a farmer could plow in one day; that the plowed in a straight line for 1/8 of a mile (a furlong). Even knowing that a mile was the measure of a 1000 paces (a pace is two steps- left, right).

      You want to be objective? Then I suppose you want us to use Kelvin for temperature? Ah, isn't this a nice 300 degree day?

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    3. Re:International Units please by quenda · · Score: 2

      when will US posters finally stop using imperial manner and units

      Right after they start using coins bigger than a quarter-dollar, implement universal health-care, give their streets names, stop believing in God, replace grid-iron with soccer, and drive on left.

  7. Re:Helicopters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fair point, Is suspect someone got confused by the statement:

    "The largest aircraft currently flying uses innovative technology to combine the best characteristics of fixed wing aircraft and helicopters with lighter-than-air technology to create a new breed of hyper-efficient aircraft."

    and thought that "best characteristics of ... helicopters" meant it's part helicopter, rather than it has some of the abilities of one (i.e. sustained hovering over a location). That's what you get when people don't understand English I guess.

  8. No internal structure? by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is that a good idea? Sure, it saves weight, but if it ever suffers partial deflation in the air there will be a total loss of control preventing them even attempting a crash landing as the aerofoils and props start pointing in random directions.

  9. "Minor setback"? by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Hydrogen is cheaper and more abundant, but because of one minor setback 80 years ago the idea has been senselessly abandoned.

    You have a very curious definition of "one minor setback".

    Imagine the same principle was applied to other aircraft and we abandoned the whole idea as soon as one thing went wrong

    The problems with other aircraft had solutions. The problem of using highly flammable hydrogen gas is an irreducible hazard. Helium can work as a substitute but our supply is limited on Earth and getting more will be expensive.

    Engineering and design methods have improved considerably in 80 years, and we could now likely make a very safe hydrogen airship, but people have an unfounded fear of the idea.

    Really? We've solved the problem of hydrogen gas being highly flammable? When did that happen?

  10. Re:Yes! Solid and lighter than air... by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not exactly a cube/square scaling. Because the larger you make it, the larger the tensile loads per square meter, meaning the stronger the envelope needs to be. Without upgrading to a higher tensile envelope, this means increasing thickness.

    If you want to view it from a cross-section perspective, tensile strength is measured in pascals - aka newtons per meter squared (cross section). If we're taking a 1-meter slice, it's newtons per ~meter thickness. Pressure is likewise pascals - newtons per meter squared (area). From the same a 2d slice perspective, that's newtons per ~meter (perimeter). The higher the perimter, the higher the number of newtons force. But the number of newtons the envelope can withstand doesn't have perimeter in its divisor, it has thickness in its divisor. So thickness and perimter cross section must increase in accordance.

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  11. Re:What is the point? by legRoom · · Score: 2

    So can someone explain what the point is?

    It targets two major use cases, neither of which can be serviced by a conventional cargo jet or a road vehicle:

    1) Ferrying heavy cargo (and possibly people) to or from a land-locked location that lacks a suitable runway or road/rail connection. This is of special interest to the military, but also has civilian applications.

    For the military, truck transport through enemy territory is extremely dangerous for obvious reasons - possibly even more dangerous than using an airship, depending on what technology the enemy has access to. An airship may be a big target, but it can also fly high enough that most ground weapons can't even hit it. If it does get hit, a few small holes in the envelope (say, from a machine gun) won't immediately end the mission. A large one is also at least twice as fast as a military ground convoy, and has more tactical options available for avoiding the enemy, since it doesn't need to follow roads.

    Truck transport through neutral territory is safe - for the military convoy. It's not safe for the neutral country though, as allowing military convoys to pass their borders may be considered an act of war by the enemy. For this reason, it can be very difficult to get permission from neighbouring countries to use ground transport into a land-locked war zone. Air transport is less problematic (I do not say problem-free) in this regard.

    As for conventional cargo jets like the 747 - their survivability probably isn't as much better than an airship as you might think. Big subsonic jets are easy to shoot down for anyone who has access to large 1970s anti-aircraft missiles, like the Sidewinder or the S-300. So, cargo jets won't last long unless the user has air dominance in the area of operations. A lifting-body airship should still be able to fly high enough to keep out of range of small arms like machine guns, and arguably is not that much more vulnerable than a 747 in practice. It would have to stay a bit further from the front lines though, because it cruises low enough to be at risk from short-range stuff like Stinger missiles, and maybe auto cannons.

    For any user (whether military or civilian), the advantage of an airship is that it doesn't need a huge, expensive concrete runway at each end of the journey. For the military, taking weeks or months to build such a runway isn't always an option. Even when a suitable runway is available, it could be disabled by the enemy at any time with a few bombs or artillery rounds. For civilian users, there are projects set in remote areas for which the expense and/or environmental impact of installing a city-grade runway is just not worth it. Dirt roads are usually (though not always) an option, but some exceptionally heavy, bulky cargo can't reasonably be moved via a steep, narrow, windy, muddy road.

    2) Because airships can stay aloft so much longer before they need to refuel, they are well-suited to loitering over an area to provide a communications relay or an observation platform. This has civilian applications, as well as military. If you only need to cover a relatively small area (hundreds of square kilometres, rather than thousands), they are much cheaper than satellites. The ability to easily relocate them and swap or upgrade the payload makes them more flexible.

    Even for military users, their greater vulnerability isn't always a problem: the military is tasked not only with taking enemy territory, but also with patrolling friendly territory. An enemy trying to sneak in cannot shoot down a patrolling airship without revealing his presence.

  12. Re:Solar Powered Flying Butt? by legRoom · · Score: 3, Informative

    Would it be at all feasible to cover the top of this thing with thin and semi-flexible solar panels? If Solar Impulse can make it around the planet using just the solar energy hitting its thin little lifting surfaces then surely the surface area of this magnificent flying backside should be able to gather enough energy to shove it across the sky, right?

    Going off the Airlander 10 specs:

    The vehicle is powered by "4 x 325 hp" diesel engines, for a combined peak power of about 960 kW. Most vehicles do not cruise at peak power continuously, so I will estimate the average power requirement at half of that: 480 kW. (This ratio would be approximately correct for a large subsonic jet; if someone knows what it should be for a diesel-powered lifting-body airship instead, please leave a comment.)

    The useful surface area of the Airlander 10 is approximately [92 m long] * [43.5 m wide] = [4000 m^2]. (The exact number depends upon the latitude, the time of day, and the craft's heading, but it turns out that its shape is such that the answer doesn't change much, except near the poles.) Peak solar irradiance (direct sunlight at high noon) at ground level is about 1 kW / m^2, and current thin film solar panels are under 15% efficient. Solar power conversion circuitry is around 90% efficient, and an appropriate electric motor with its controller is about 88% efficient. Therefore, a maximum of [4000 m^2] * [1kW / m^2] * [15%] * [90%] * [88%] = [475 kW] of shaft power could be generated by solar-electric means.

    So, a solar-powered Airlander 10 could work - but not very well. Under ideal daylight conditions, it could fly about as well as the hydrocarbon-powered version. However, airships are sufficiently slow and long-range that they are expected to routinely fly through the night. Thus, the average power available must be at least cut in half, to 238 kW. Cloud shadowing (airships can fly over some clouds, but far from all) and dust will further reduce that number.

    Additionally, a solar-powered airship needs to carry heavy batteries in order to avoid catastrophic power loss when passing through clouds. One hour's worth of lithium-ion power would mass [475 kW*h] / [86% charge/discharge efficiency] / [200 W*h / kg] / [80% - 20% depth of discharge range limit] = [4600 kg]. As the total mass of the Airlander 10 is only 20 metric tons, it cannot carry much more battery power than that without cutting into the payload.

    At cruise, nearly all of the Airlander 10's power is devoted to fighting drag. Since subsonic drag scales with the square of airspeed, a solar-powered version could quadruple its battery-powered run time by halving its speed. (It can't really go any slower than that though, as it needs to be able to overcome typical headwinds to be useful.) Four hours of battery time is still woefully inadequate for an overnight flight though, so a solar-powered version would be limited to daytime flights only, and consequently to overland flights only.

    TLDR: A solar-powered version of this airship is possible, but it would be considerably slower and incapable of crossing oceans. Supplemental charging on the ground wouldn't help much at all.