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Oracle Is Funding a New Anti-Google Group (fortune.com)
An anonymous reader writes from a report via Fortune: Oracle says it is funding a new non-profit called "Campaign for Accountability," which consists of a campaign called "The Google Transparency Project" that claims to expose criminal behavior carried out by Google. "Oracle is absolutely a contributor (one of many) to the Transparency Project. This is important information for the public to know. It is 100 percent public records and accurate," said Ken Glueck, Senior Vice President of Oracle. Fortune reports: "Oracle's hidden hand is not a huge surprise since the company has a history of sneaky PR tactics, and is still embroiled in a bitter intellectual property lawsuit with Google." One would think Microsoft may be another contributor, but the company said it is not. Daniel Stevens, the deputy director of the CfA, declined to name the group's other donors, or to explain why it does not disclose its funders. Why does this matter? "When wealthy companies or individuals pose as a grass-roots group like the so-called 'campaign for accountability' project, [it] can confuse news and public relations, and foster public cynicism," writes Jeff John Roberts via Fortune.
Hilarious.
Then call them out on it already. Don't care if it's Oracle holding a childish grudge or not.
Umm...what part of transparency do they not understand?
Larry Ellison is likely pissed that Google managed to make a ton of money over the language that Oracle bought with Sun, but never managed to do anything with it. So go after Google. I also wouln't be surprised if Microsoft is involved. Microsoft likes to be a tough competitor but they don't like other tough competitors.
This sounds like one of his many surreptitious activities .
... that you don't have to spend any money to get people to hate Google.
Don't worry, after they go to meetings at the White House, NSA, and/or CIA to help the government figure out how to better spy on people they still go out for drinks together.
Honest question time. Has anybody ever used an Oracle product that wasn't garbage? The only way I could see it is if they were selling trash to a dump, Oracle could probably find a way to fuck that up. Oracle go kill yourself.
Oh and fuck Google too. When the mob puts a hit out on you it's often not because you've been running your business too honestly.
Who besides google gives a flying fuck?
With how often both do such incredibly asinine things, I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets Oracle and SCO mixed up at times.
In a world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king--and the two-eyed man is a heretic.
I just wanted to say that when I'm not busy, tanning my jewhides to beuatiful shade of California Orange, I'm busy imagining all the money thats not mine -- but that could be mine--- if I could just find a way to steer into my coffers.
Oh and I do make a database and you can put thing in there.
Thanks for your time,
Larrold L. Ellison
umm, are you on the right web site?
The company I work for has gone into Oracle financial in a big way. I hate that they are now dependent on software from such a sleazy company.
Why does this matter? "When wealthy companies or individuals pose as a grass-roots group like the so-called 'campaign for accountability' project, [it] can confuse news and public relations, and foster public cynicism," writes Jeff John Roberts via Fortune.
Stop blaming wealth and start blaming disingenuous behavior.
Oracle is campaigning for accountability? Sure, I love accountability.
How about:
- Improper accounting practices on your cloud service business: http://venturebeat.com/2016/06...
- Breach of contract: http://www.pcworld.com/article...
- Putting stockholders' investments at risk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
- Fraudulent practices/overcharging the Deparment of Justice: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...
- Patent infringement: http://www.infoworld.com/artic...
- Project cost overrun and breach of contract again: http://wtnnews.com/articles/85...
If Oracle had any hint of accountability it would've closed doors a long time ago. What they want is money.
whom to cheer? hmmmmmm
When the poster cited the quote "When wealthy companies or individuals pose as a grass-roots group like the so-called 'campaign for accountability' project, [it] can confuse news and public relations, and foster public cynicism," I was left briefly wondering if the "wealthy company" or individual in question was Oracle with Larry Ellison, or Google with Schmidt, Brin and Page.
Power corrupts. It does not matter if the power is in the hands of a company that claims its motto is "Don't be evil". The problem is human nature. Concentrate too much power into too few hands and you are asking for trouble. Trust people with too much power and do not put other people in a position to monitor them and check their actions and you are asking for more trouble. It's really just that simple, and that is why the founders of the US created a country with a small and limited central government loaded with "checks and balances" and then told the American people to only put the most honest and trust worthy people into positions of power and then encourage them to keep each other in check. We've been failing at that task for decades and we are paying the price.
Wasn't Java GPL'ed? Is Dalvik derived from the GPL version, or the re-closed Oracle version?
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
I think you are confusing aspirations with reality. Oracle has sunk so low that they are approaching "mostly harmless" status, whereas the google has completely transcended and redefined EVIL. New motto is "All your attention are belong to us". Your personal data is just collected for more leverage.
The real problem is that we are forced to pick between lesser evils in EVERY purchase we make. The single-objective quest for profit has produced a small number of cancerous monster companies. I'm wracking my brains, but right now I am unable to think of a single company that I've recently done business with that I would rate as more good than evil.
Mostly our own collective fault? I can actually think of a few companies that seem basically good, but the result is that their goods and services are no longer competitive, so I can't even justify the premium I'd have to pay. Of course, then I can rationalize the decisions to do business with the typical bad companies. The good company is probably going to go bad soon enough, or it's probably bad on the inside if I just look a bit more closely. The entire game of business (especially in America) has been rigged for nasty companies that grow like mindless cancers in pursuit of more money.
Unsolvable problem. NO amount of money would ever be "more" enough.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Let he with the most sin cast the first stone.
Oracle lost all credibility in the tech community over its patent trolling and bogus claim for copyright on an API, which would have fucked the tech community big time. Like all big corporations Google cheat on their taxes and sell our privacy, but they research in new tech, contribute to the community, and give us loads of free stuff. So for all their sins, we kind of like them.
But you, Oracle. Fuck you. Your a patent troll on steroids. Fuck you. Fuck off. And your flagship database is shitty and overpriced anyway. Postgresql is free and puts you to shame.
must be some million-dollar, fancy-ass fescue grass roots, Ellison & Accountability in the same sentence. Oh pulease!
Yes it's petty. It's a group focused about ranting about another company... not a constructive use of ones time unless the company you are ranting about is either Google, Microsoft, or Oracle, oh wait that's awkward.
In case anyone is curious, he's not lying. horsefucker.org is a hilarious email domain/service, and the site is SFW.
It's not like there's any great scarcity of mod points. You're not depriving us of them in any meaningful way by shitposting and begging to be modded down.
Oracle, if you want to be total dicks to google but get tech people on side so we start giving a shit about you, here's an idea: build us a nice open source browser with no telemetry that blocks ads. Base it on Chromium. Make it fast and lightweight and strip out anything that might annoy privacy advocates (like syncing) and make it an optional extension.
Short of building a better search engine it's the only thing I could imagine making me try one of your products again.
"what has Google done ever that was so evil?"
Here's a start:
(a) manipulate search results, apparently along partisan political lines, which lines-up nicely with Eric Schmidt's alliance with Hillary Clinton and Google's revolving door of employment with the Obama administration.
(b) analyze and track all users in ways average people cannot possibly consent to because they lack any comprehension of what's being done.
(c) sell the data they gain by analyzing and tracking users to any bidder who will almost certainly use that information to manipulate those people in ways they will never even be aware of.
I could continue, but if you do not get it by now, you lack an imagination and basic googling abilities.
"if you don't want to use them, then don't..."
You have no choice:
you can use some other search engine, but nearly every web page out there now has google and facebook tracking fecal matter embedded into it. Grab a few random web pages and inspect the sources. If you truly believe what you posted then you will be stunned to see how much google and facebook is in those average web pages.
The problem is magnified if you consider cell phones and tablets. Any cell phone or tablet you buy today is likely either Apple or Android (google).
I'm sick of the NSA, I mean Google.
What is Oracle hoping to gain out of this move to drag Google/Alphabet down?
What's the game there?
The CfA apparently cannot even afford to pay its interns, which nowadays seems like some kind of accountability issue itself.
You can bet that a group that announces it is dedicated to destroying a large company is about to be dragged into court and whipped until they break in half and bleed out on the court room floor.
Fund a group doing this explicitly with regards to Oracle. Call it the Pot Meet Kettle Group.
John_Chalisque
Must be a NSA academy of DataMining
Let us get back to Google. Their search engine is heavily filtered to only serve the results they want. They are the biggest, unregulated lobbyist in the world. They wield an enormous amount of influence while promoting themselves as the saviors of public interest. It is OK that someone wants to push back, regardless of where the money comes from.
No longer relevant. You will not be missed...
SCO - https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/03/31/0534206/13-year-old-linux-dispute-returns-as-sco-files-new-appeal
But what does Microsoft have that's remotely similar to, say, YouTube?
Vimeo
Vimeo isn't by Microsoft, as I had previously stipulated. And even if we agree to abandon this stipulation, Vimeo has drawbacks. From the Vimeo Guidelines:
.. has been notably short of good legal news lately, losing both the Google and HP lawsuits. He's obviously decided to fire some of his lawyers and hire astroturf agitators instead. This is what you do when you've chased off many of your customer base by shaking them down and/or suing them as well as being sued for breach of contract. Maybe the next phase of Oracle's business plan will be to actually try and compete for a change.
Organization? You must be joking..
Google aught to fund someone to look at Oracle and their practices. I'm sure they're breaking a bunch of laws.
First thing that comes to mind is their Exadata product with Oracle Enterprise Linux. They didn't even bother to remove the /etc/redhat-release file, which is required. This tells me they don't even bother check the law or anything else.
Someone should say - book 'em Danno!