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Activists Call For General Strike On the Tor Network (vice.com)

Reader derekmead writes: Some Tor users are very unhappy with the way the project has been run in recent months, and are calling for a blackout on September 1st. They are asking users to not use Tor, for developers to stop working on Tor, and for those who run parts of the network's infrastructure to shut it down. The disgruntled users feel that Tor can no longer be fully trusted after a brief hiring of an ex-CIA official and the internal sexual misconduct investigation against activist Jacob Appelbaum.

127 comments

  1. a general strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why a general?

    Can't a major or a lieutenant colonel handle this?

    1. Re:a general strike? by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      Why a general?

      Can't a major or a lieutenant colonel handle this?

      That comment was in General Disarray and quite a Major Pain to follow. Corporal Punishment too follow shortly from Captain Obvious.

    2. Re:a general strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should have been a Private Message.

  2. Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I understand the possible conflict of interest in working with ex-CIA, although the fact that they'd admit working for the CIA seems dangerous and sketchy, but I don't understand the Applebaum thing. Are folks against sexual harassment/misconduct, or are they against investigating harassment/misconduct?

    1. Re:Confused by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Informative

      SJWs just heard a buzzword and started a twitter campaign

    2. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slacktivism FTW!

    3. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Trigglypuff has gotten around!

    4. Re: Confused by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We live in the age of buzzwords and catchphrases which can be quickly used to categorize people without actually having to give thought to what they're saying. Words like "neocon", "fascist", "SJW", and "neo-liberal" all have very little meaning, but assist the simple mind, though sadly it is often to assist them in creating a faulty model of the world around them.

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    5. Re:Confused by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Company has misbehaving employee. Misbehaving employee was fired.

      What am I missing here?

    6. Re:Confused by dugancent · · Score: 0

      SJW is the one of the biggest buzzwords of them all.

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    7. Re:Confused by Rei · · Score: 2

      Indeed, according to their graphic they want anyone who "supported or aided the investigation" to sever all ties with Tor.

      It's the "rally around the founder no matter what" effect; I've seen it in many, many projects. That said, most people forget about it with time. Who here ever spares a second thought for Martin Eberhard these days when they think of Tesla, rather than Elon Musk? Back in the day, in the Tesla community Musk was the devil for firing Eberhard when it turned out that Eberhard had grossly understated the cost to build the Roadster, had gotten the company bogged down in contracts that were going to get it hit with penalties, and was accused of hiding negative information from the board. Martin was beloved as the founder, and thus anything negative about him was clearly just vicious smear. But since Tesla has been such a big success, who ever hears the name Martin Eberhard anymore?

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    8. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing the overly sensitive SJW we have today with the liberals of the past.

    9. Re: Confused by harperska · · Score: 1

      "neo-liberal" has a legitimate academic definition, and most times I have seen it used it has been in that context. The equivalent over-simplified buzzword used in its place is I believe "libertard".

    10. Re:Confused by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I understand the possible conflict of interest in working with ex-CIA, although the fact that they'd admit working for the CIA seems dangerous and sketchy, but I don't understand the Applebaum thing. Are folks against sexual harassment/misconduct, or are they against investigating harassment/misconduct?

      Perfectly reasonable question since the summary really doesn't make it clear. Unfortunately you seem to have trigger someone and got modded -1 troll. Welcome to the internet.

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    11. Re:Confused by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Some people are convinced that all sexual assault/rape allegations are false, unless there is a video and a signed confession.

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    12. Re: Confused by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      I think there has always been a few overly sensitive SJWs

    13. Re: Confused by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That reads like a gross oversimplification. For what it's worth, SJWs were responsible for the Magna Carta, various freedom leaning constitutions, women's suffrage, and the end of wide scale slavery, among many other things.

      Fair enough. All of that was working for freedom, more power to them.

      But at least some of modern SJWism is devoted to censorship. Rather than work for freedom, they seek to twist government power to oppress and carve out space for their favored factions.

      It is terrifying a whole generation is being raised to think offending people is damaging, and therefore government may censor. It may take another 40 years before this gets approved by a more sympathetic supreme court. But there goes freedom as protecting the people, used as justification for censorship in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, will be enshrined as a valued principle in the United States.

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    14. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So Tor project did nothing wrong. Well, they did publish alleged misconduct of an employee all over the internet and the media. Perfectly normal amiright?

    15. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. The Democrats are the Party of Slavery.

    16. Re: Confused by johanw · · Score: 0

      End of slavery? Only in the west II believe: niggers are still holding other niggers as slaves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    17. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a totally inappropriate standard of evidence for criminal matters. We should just accept the statements (sworn statements optional) of oppressed groups as true and issue verdicts accordingly.

      The only problem that remains is to determine which groups are oppressed. This is easily resolved. Simply set up and widely publicize a scholarship fund for whatever group you'd like to test, and see if there is immediate public outrage on Twitter. If so, it is not an oppressed group. Repeat.

    18. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I'm afraid that right in the fartbox i used to be a dick like you but then i took an arrow in the harambe

    19. Re: Confused by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Words like "neocon", "fascist", "SJW", and "neo-liberal" all have very little meaning, ...

      I'm pretty sure the people of 1939-1945 Italy and Germany understood a pretty serious meaning of the word "fascist".

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    20. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but when afroniggers do that it's not slavery, and you would be a racist to say this about afroniggers.

    21. Re: Confused by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That's because they actually lived under Fascist governments. But the term has lost all meaning in the intervening period of time. Basically, any real or perceived government overreach is immediately declared the signs of fascism and a police state.

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    22. Re:Confused by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This was a workplace matter, not a criminal matter. You don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to fire someone, you also don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to win a lawsuit.

    23. Re: Confused by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Words like "neocon", "fascist", "SJW", and "neo-liberal" all have very little meaning

      Well, they have a meaning but it's often too broad to be used correctly in a general context.

      "Neocon" has a fairly specific meaning but "fascist", "SJW", and "neo-liberal" often mean very different things to different people.

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    24. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has been invented by the banksters for the banksters. After it has screwed up Russia, it is now America's turn. And the Muselmans are equally idealistic and brutish.

      You will now suffer for worshipping MONEY.

    25. Re:Confused by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some people are convinced that all sexual assault/rape allegations are false, unless there is a video and a signed confession.

      Yes, and some people are convinced that all sexual assault/rape allegations are true, unless there is unassailable evidence to the contrary.

      See the "rape victims have the right to be believed" idea for this whole debacle. For example, the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case, the Rolling Stone rape article ("A Rape on Campus"), the Scottsboro Boys, the Tawana Brawley rape allegations, etc. All of these sensational cases turned out to be 100% bullshit. Those "victims" turned out to be perpetrators, but their stories were believed without any critical examination.

      NO ONE has the "right to be believed" about anything without some actual evidence supporting their claim.

      Yes, rape happens, there are plenty of examples of it that are absolutely genuine. BUT, there are false rape reports too, and taking the stance that "rape victims have the right to be believed" is setting the scene for a travesty of justice.

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    26. Re:Confused by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      Rape is a crime and any allegations of such should be proven in court.

    27. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Company has misbehaving employee. Misbehaving employee was fired. What am I missing here?

      Shari Steele fired and replaced Tor's entire board of directors. ioerror's accusers tried to get him fired from an academic program outside of Tor and they are trying to expel Daniel J. Bernstein (yes, that djb) from the security community. They have been going on a witch hunt against everybody who suggests they might be handling this too aggressively. Anyone who dissents is kicked out of Tor.

      I'm looking forward to seeing the developers quit en masse and start the Shallot Router. Or everyone can go to i2p.

    28. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because they actually lived under Fascist governments. But the term has lost all meaning in the intervening period of time. Basically, any real or perceived government overreach is immediately declared the signs of fascism and a police state.

      It's only lost all meaning because they're idiots. People aren't precise with the labels anymore and they let them blur because they can't be assed to look up what the actual meaning is. They just grab the nearest one they feel is emotionally appropriate and hurl it.

    29. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people are convinced that all sexual assault/rape allegations are false, unless there is a video and a signed confession.

      Not even then - the video could be doctored by the NSA, and the confession is almost certainly signed under duress while held captive in an illegal FBI rendition site.

      Because it's unfathomable that someone who works with computers could be anything less than a gentleman at all times.

    30. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure they were having similar arguments over the severity of things going on in the world just like people do today. Nothing has changed much. The same way you had people arguing over these things back then is the same way you have them doing it now. In a few decades some scholars will write about it, governments will champion their favorite version and people will be saying about how people in the 2010s had it all figured out

    31. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Right to be believed" means when you go to police to report a rape they actually investigate instead of dismissing the claim out of hand. It has never meant a immediate assumption of guilt as you seem to imply.

    32. Re:Confused by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I didn't read the whole background story, but I just saw "sexual misconduct". But even with rape, people can and have been fired for it without it being proven in court. You can be fired for anything. Just a suspicion of a crime without an arrest is enough to make some companies fire someone.

      After this, I read some more. He was not just dismissed or fired, he stepped down. He was not just asked to step down immediately, Tor had a seven week investigation, which feels like far more than most corporations would have done.

    33. Re: Confused by Demena · · Score: 1

      No they have a meaning. But meanings are forgotten. If you look up fascism you will find that both presidential candidates are fascists. It is pretty inevitable that that is the case due to financing issues being so dominant

    34. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? The fact that organisations fire people on very lose grounds doesn't make ot right. Just like that happens all the time, stakeholders showing their opinions about it also happens all the time.

      Should corporations be able to do what they feel like and stakeholders should shut up and accept it?

      Well that's what the OpenOffice project managers thought and now we are mostly using LibreOffice. Yes the issues was different but the corporate attitude wasn't. And guess what, corporations can get fired to. It happens all the time.

    35. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Yes I know that this is the original meaning of it. But the vast majority of SJW:s doesn't use it like that. Including people in the legal system.

    36. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an anonymous message reveling that you are a rapist so I am going to ignore what a sick person like you are saying. It's fully possible that it's true. In fact even without an anonymous tip it's possible that you are a rapist. It is possible that anyone is a rapist

      Let's just fire the entire TOR project team because it is possible that they are rapists and call it even.

      And by the way the video software to fake what people say or do are commercially available. Why would it be a government agency behind something anyone can do?

    37. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. And who is bothered with the OpenOffice mismanagement these days, everyone's back in the fold right?

      This is a community driven project where the community actually matters. You can't compare this with proprietary technology where the corporate entity owns the technology and where all developers are employees. The TOR project is a coordinating body and can easily be replaced.

    38. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget that a great deal of the SJW:s works for Russia, banks and other corporate entities. All who would love to sink the TOR project.

    39. Re: Confused by Rei · · Score: 1

      The community in the case of Tesla (which was just an example picked from countless) was the customers. Are you saying that customers are irrelevant for a company? You also seem to be of the view that the "rally around the founder" effect is a good thing, given your comment about the TOR project being replaced.

      I don't even know what OpenOffice thing you're talking about, by the way.

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    40. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, was the Internet around when slavery was abolished? Slavery wasn't abolished by SJW:s but by classical liberals like Voltaire.

    41. Re: Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lack any sort of critical thought. That link you posted outlined the causative factors as largely sociological. Though reprehensible, forced labour is hinged on the subjugation of those on the lower rung of the social status and it cuts across races. You piece of pathetic filth.

    42. Re:Confused by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Yes, and some people are convinced that all sexual assault/rape allegations are true, unless there is unassailable evidence to the contrary.

      A large portion of them will still demand that the accused be punished as if they were guilty.

  3. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This same soap opera was just posted 11 hours ago. Is it really necessary to repost?

    1. Re:Dupe by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes, this is at Vice. Everything's better if reported by Vice. You don't know that everything's been reported to death before you read about it in Vice.

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    2. Re:Dupe by MiniMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a long-running strike on checking for dupes.

  4. Again? by Ubi_NL · · Score: 2

    https://politics.slashdot.org/...

    For some reason these dupes do make me feel at home here. The world is changing rapidly, but Slashdot stays just the way it is, with 15-year old layout and editors that cant even read their own front page.

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    1. Re:Again? by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      Please don't mention the age of the layout, it might give them ideas...

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    2. Re:Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boycott The Beta!!!

    3. Re:Again? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      with 15-year old layout

      That is a good thing. The layout on my browser is more than 15-years old, and I like it that way. Some of us like stability.

      As for Tor, screw them. It is not secure. If they want to shut it down, it will only serve as confirmation of its weaknesses. What we need is a system that can't be shut down.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Again? by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      I too find it heartening that Manish is observing time-honored slashdot tradition.

      Now the posters honor tradition by with the traditional bitching and moaning pointing out the story's a dupe.
      The circle of life continues.

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    5. Re:Again? by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Dude quiet about the layout. The last thing this site needs is "modern web design" shitting all over it.

  5. Duplicate post .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Duplicate post .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you know how nerds are: always repeating themselves, begging for attention, annoying the Real People with their spittle-punctuated rants. And they wonder why we shun them.

    2. Re:Duplicate post .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you know how nerds are: always repeating themselves, begging for attention, annoying the Real People with their spittle-punctuated rants. And they wonder why we shun them.

      Nice little rant. Consider yourself shunned, nerd.

    3. Re:Duplicate post .. by jbrown.za · · Score: 1

      Duplicate post about the duplicate post ...

  6. Of COURSE its compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Here governments, here's our top secret network with eleventy encryption, and here's the source, and feel free to join it and handle a portion of its traffic."

    It was compromised as soon as it was released.

    1. Re:Of COURSE its compromised by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      If you're hosting a Tor node, and don't think you're on a government (probably SEVERAL governments) watch list, you're not paying attention.

    2. Re:Of COURSE its compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the people who do this do not care they are on a watch list. whats going to happen if you're watching me and I know you're watching me?

    3. Re:Of COURSE its compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      simple. you'll see it coming, and just like if you weren't knowing, there isnt a damn thing you can do to stop them. cool, huh?

    4. Re:Of COURSE its compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you're one step off. Tor was actually developed by the Navy to hide CIA spy traffic; releasing it as open-source was to provide plausible deniability: you wouldn't know if that Tor connection passing through your country-wide firewall was a CIA agent, a protester, a child porn addict, or just someone trying to pirate movies.

      Naturally it has to be secure enough to resist foreign government attack; and while I wouldn't put it past the CIA to have tried to sneak in some NOBUS-level vulnerabilities, they put their own people at risk doing so.

  7. "Activists" probably never used Tor to begin with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens when you survive by forcing your views on others and are faced with a system of cryptography that lets people ignore you?

  8. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think you ran this last night, anyhow there are serious questions about the allegations given that one of the anonymous "victims" came forward, said the people involved had not even talked to her and had invented their own story that did not match what happened.

    But all this will get lost as people fight by making accusations about one another because nobody actually cares what happened, they're just here to tell others what horrible people they are to make themselves feel better. Okay, I'm done, your turn now, Slashdot.

  9. Link to First Story with all Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just click and go to the first instance of this identical story...
    https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/08/22/0319205/group-wants-to-shut-down-tor-for-a-day-on-september-1

    1. Re:Link to First Story with all Comments by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And both are on the first page, new record in duplicate posts on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Link to First Story with all Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current record sits at a dupe separated by only one other article i believe

      they'd have to be touching to break the record

    3. Re:Link to First Story with all Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dupes are touching!

      (No homo)

  10. Slashdot employment by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I was wondering where I can submit my resume to become a Slashdot editor? Because a full-time salary for the total lack of effort sounds pretty great!

    1. Re:Slashdot employment by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, you just failed the interview. Two entire sentences without grammatical or spelling errors?

      No way, dude.

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    2. Re:Slashdot employment by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Shit. I had so many great ideas to improve the site, like a Google Translate module that automatically converts TFS into a car analogy.

    3. Re:Slashdot employment by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shit. I had so many great ideas to improve the site, like a Google Translate module that automatically converts TFS into a car analogy.

      Cease and desist. I've already written that module. As proof, I just ran your last comment through it, and here's the result:

      Fix engine light. I had so many great camshafts to improve the wheelbase, like an OnStar transmission that stickshiftally coverts the Owner's Manual into a [ERR: Stack overflow].

      See?

    4. Re:Slashdot employment by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Damnit! Everything good has already been invented....

    5. Re:Slashdot employment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering where I can submit my resume to become a Slashdot editor? Because a full-time salary for the total lack of effort sounds pretty great!

      A better idea: set up your own website [you can even use Slashdot theme], get an audience and publish your great, beautifully edited stories.

    6. Re: Slashdot employment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sentence was already invented before you said it. Please send the owners $100 per usage citizen.

    7. Re:Slashdot employment by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      It's not often that I literally LOL. Thank you for the endorphins :)

    8. Re:Slashdot employment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who would want a smelly horde of neckbeards as an audience? What you call "audience", the socially capable and well-adjusted person call "scum". You're not even worthy of us defecating on you.

    9. Re:Slashdot employment by they_call_me_quag · · Score: 1

      There are at least two grammatical errors in the 27 words that LichtSpektren posted.

      You are both wrong.

    10. Re:Slashdot employment by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      I disagree with your signature. I'm going to vote for Cthulhu this year because I insist on voting for the lesser evil.

      (Okay, so its off topic. At least I posted to the duped story.)

  11. ei "helena" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    vai dar teu cuzinho que tua vontade de trabalhar comigo passa sua RETARDADA FILHA DA PUTA.

    1. Re:ei "helena" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gesundheit. doctors can fix that now.

    2. Re:ei "helena" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems Slashdot is vulnerable to bots.

  12. Same as always by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'll be using Tor the same amount as always on that ludicrous MRA Protest Day. I might even use it a little more, just because.

    Maybe l'll use Tor to come to Slashdot and read the next dupe...

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  13. "Activist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did the word "Activist" come to mean any whiny bitch with a gripe about anything?

    1. Re: "Activist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's been the definition, you must be new here. Welcome, kick off ya shoes.

  14. Tor shutdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fail to see how this would improve TOR.

    Maybe each person who thinks there is a problem should get involved with the process. If you can't code, run a node. Try to get into testing or governance.

    Try convincing a well know and trusted person to get involved. Contribute cash for the above mentioned activities.

    The open source world provided us with more freedom to fix things. With proprietary software all we could do is whine. The converse is also true. Whining for somebody else to do something isn't very respected in the open source world.

  15. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love how this story is not only a dupe, but i can see both on my screen at the same time on the front page.

    good job /.

  16. Shutdown Tor? by sir-gold · · Score: 2

    The argument against this "strike" is that it would shutdown TOR for a day, and would force journalists and dissidents to use a different (more risky) communication method instead.

    Do the strikers in the TOR group actually have the power to turn off TOR itself, or are they just threatening to shut down their personal nodes?

    If they really do have the power to completely turn off TOR worldwide, what is to stop that power being co-opted (or hacked) by a government?

    1. Re:Shutdown Tor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is to stop that power being co-opted (or hacked) by a government?

      All that juicy intel they get by running exit nodes.

      It wouldn't be difficult to shut it down, but it would make it useless for survellience in future.

    2. Re:Shutdown Tor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone can set up a Tor exit node, if they are willing to accept the risk. You can't remotely shut those down, though I'm not clear on how the directory service it relies upon to find nodes works. I think it "bootstraps" by trying a few well-known nodes, and if those are inaccessible, it may stop working.

  17. TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way the Internet has been devolving into just one big surveillance/spying/malware platform, and now with ICANN ceding control over to someone else, the TOR network may become the last bastion of a truly free and open Internet. Yes, it's the Wild West inside there to be sure, but you do have a higher degree of anonymity and a lesser degree of being spied on and surveilled. I can see a possible future where onion routing networks, with sites operating within them, are the only relatively safe places you could go. Let's not start artillery barrages against TOR, okay?

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    1. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother?

      Simply using Tor is sending up a signal flare indicating "interesting traffic here" to anyone monitoring either the entry or exit points. Using the service requires a bit of effort, and the network is so tiny, the ratio of dodgy bastards to freedom-loving privacy nuts is way off. Only people with a reason to use it will use it.

      Masking your identity tidily enough to be useful cuts you off from about 90% of the Web and to a lesser extent, the wider Internet. Inside the onion network all you get are drug sales, slow download mirrors and self-congratulatory privacy forums. It's a bit like 1980s BBSes, speeds included.

    2. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by kheldan · · Score: 0

      freedom-loving privacy nuts

      Enjoy having governments, Facebook, advertisers, and organized crime so far up your ass that they're tickling your tonsils, you self-righteous piece of shit. Nobody should take your advice, ever.

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      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    3. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I2P may be the only real internet left to us
      GnuNet may be the only real internet left to us
      FreeNet may be the only real internet left to us
      Phantom may be the only real internet left to us
      RetroShare may be the only real internet left to us

    4. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      I find it bizarre that anyone thinks that TOR was ever secure and private. Great in theory, and we need something to keep the spooks off our packets, but TOR has always been suspect.

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    5. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by kheldan · · Score: 1

      If you have a better suggestion then I encourage you to fill us all in on the details of it. As anything you do or say on the Internet is subject to surveillance and theft, and I don't see any end to it. Criminals and foreign governments are hacking things constantly. Our own government is spying on everyone constantly. The ISPs we get our connectivity from is sifting every single packet for any personalized information they can sell to their 'partner' companies for purposes of profiling us and putting so-called 'targeted' advertising in our faces, and by the way who knows what else they're doing with all that data they're collecting on us? You can't count on HTTPS encryption to keep private things private, and fucktarded/power-hungry politicians and law enforcement types are working like the damned to ruin ALL encryption for EVERYONE (except them I'm sure). So seriously: If you have any better alternative other than an onion-routing network to keep at least some private things private, please, do tell! Oh and by the way, if all you have to offer is "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear", or "You're not interesting enough for them to want to watch so why worry about it", then don't bother even responding because both of those 'reasons' completely and totally ignore the priciple of the thing: nobody should be spying on us in the first place.

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    6. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how you "freedom-loving privacy nuts" go from being reasonable advocates to accusing others of being a "self-righteous piece of shit" the moment anyone says something they don't like. Evidently you're entirely unaware of the irony in you, an obvious piece of shit, leveling such an accusation in the first place.

    7. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So seriously: If you have any better alternative other than an onion-routing network to keep at least some private things private, please, do tell!

      Don't put it on the internet in the first place. There, now your network activity can't be intercepted and subjected to surveillance.

      Oh and by the way, if all you have to offer is "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear", or "You're not interesting enough for them to want to watch so why worry about it", then don't bother even responding because both of those 'reasons' completely and totally ignore the priciple of the thing: nobody should be spying on us in the first place.

      TOR ignores the principle of the thing, as well, then - if nobody should be spying on us in the first place, why is there any need to take such tortuous and expensive efforts to avoid being spied on? Sounds like TOR is simply a workaround to the existence of a more fundamental problem - a disengaged voting class who doesn't care to participate in the democracy they live under, because it's easier to try and feel like a secret agent by routing through 7 proxies.

      The people who really need TOR are people who don't have a democratic system to leverage. YOU, in your comfortable middle class suburb, do NOT need TOR.

    8. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, faggot, you're not even the guy he's talking to, and you have NOTHING OF VALUE TO SAY ANYWAY.

    9. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ad hominem.

      Try again?

    10. Re:TOR may be the only real Internet left to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay.. how about: you're a fucking coward with a two-digit IQ, your opinion sucks ass, and you should go chug a gallon bottle of Drano and fucking DIE so no one has to hear your pussy-ass, cowardly, bullshit, know-nothing OPINIONS ever again. You're a fucking CANCER that needs to be EXCISED from the world, upon the completion of which the overall quality-of-life of the world will improve significantly. Faggot.

  18. This is slashdot after all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and I wouldn't expect anything to change, duplicate stories are part of our DNA. The question becomes, why delete the old story?

    1. Re:This is slashdot after all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because manish must promote his bullshit "favorite" news sources: betanews, vice and arstechnica.... the vice article doesn't bring anything new to the previous story.. not one single god damn thing... and it's written by that hypocrite Joseph Cox... you should follow this guy's twitter feed and see him contradict himself in less than a week

  19. Lincoln by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, he was a Republican who waged war against states' rights.

    1. Re:Lincoln by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Republican, Lincoln saw value in the establishing documents that the USA was built on. And while the Declaration of Independence is not a governing document, it is a foundational document. The Declaration stated the morally tolerable justification and extent of government in a general sense. Those who appreciate the Declaration of Independence can comprehend from one sentence the entire permissible scope of law.

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      Lincoln saw that the government was not recognizing the unalienable rights of all men*, and as such, was willing (barely) to consider any city, county, state, or federal government that refused to uphold that standard as illegitimate and intolerable. He tried to enforce that passage of the Declaration by debate and legislation, and then by force when the peaceful route failed.

      *until recently, it was accepted by speakers and writers of the english language that 'man' was a species identifier, and was compounded when something additionally important needed to be said about the man, such as being female (woman) or serving an important role for the general good (fireman). I still think the only proper solution to the feminist opposition to the term is to reinstate the classical male prefix.

  20. BRILLIANT job of "inception" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: As others have alluded to here today, the "powers that be" have created DOUBT & doubt IS dangerous...

    * The world's become a big "mind-fuck" (always been this way but it seems to have been 'honed' to a FINE art the past decade++ imo...)

    Too bad in a way - TOR, in its concept & intent, is NOT A "BAD THING" really... how it's misused however imo is (you can't be up to "much good" IF/WHEN you're hiding your origin point when not forced to).

    Infiltration? It works... sad, & the province of weasels, but it IS effective.

    APK

    P.S.=> Do I respect that type of thing? No, not really - any moron can do it, doesn't take brains, but you can't argue with success either... apk

  21. Agreed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the slashdot layout. It is very intuitive, easy to read and navigate, with very little wasted space.

    I don't care how long ago someone came up with the idea. It was a good one. It is worth sticking-with.

  22. MR ROBOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I"M MR ROBOT, I CONTROLL ALL THE EXIT NODES

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
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  23. Mission accomplished by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fear, uncertainty and doubt sown.
    Principals divided.
    While focus and energy is diverted to the search for "truth", the real truth is that fewer people will trust their secrets to Tor as a result.
    Mission accomplished.

  24. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Marxists (including British and American ones) of then called Franco a Fascist, so that enough sheeple would join the fight.

    The liars failed and Franco saved Spain from communist terror.

    1. Re:Meh by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Because Franco was just such a really great guy...

      White Terror

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  25. Hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You feel a need to explain yourself to the Marxists, enemies of the white man and his freedom. Soon you will explain yourself to the mideast tyranny these friends of the Muselmans will erect.

    Best Submission !

  26. Gee whiz... by qeveren · · Score: 2

    It doesn't sound like they're getting played by the intelligence agencies AT ALL.

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  27. Re:Tor management should just shut it down complet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tor management should just shut down the project completely in response to the whiny privileged white boyz..

    And the privileged white boyz have mod points--welcome to /.

  28. Re:Tor management should just shut it down complet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, the whiny privileged white boyz will be absolutely shattered to find themselves unable to torrent and buy illicit drugs for their dumb-ass parties.

    Meanwhile, thousands of unprivileged brown and yellow boyz will be absolutely murdered when their anonymous network connections are eliminated and their repressive governments can identify them and string them up.

    But man-oh-man, please don't hold muh hero accountable for his shitty behavior!

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