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AT&T Says LTE Can Still Offer Speeds Up To 1 Gbps (dslreports.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via DSL Reports: ATT CTO Andre Fuetsch said at a telecom conference last week that the company's existing LTE network should be able to reach speeds of 1 Gbps before the standard ultimately gets overshadowed by faster 5G tech. The new 5G technology isn't expected to arrive until 2020 at the earliest, so LTE has a lot of time left as the predominant wireless connectivity. "There's a lot of focus on 5G -- but don't discount LTE," Fuetsch said. "LTE is still here. And LTE will be around for a long time. And LTE has also enormous potential in that, you'll be capable of supporting 1 gigabit speeds as well." 5G will help move past 1 Gbps speeds, while also providing significantly lower latency. "You'll see us sharing more about the trial activity we're doing," said Fuetsch. "Everything that's being [tested] right now is not standard, it's all sort of proprietary. But this is an important process to go through because this is how you learn and how it helps define standards."

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  1. That just means by DougOtto · · Score: 1

    So now, they can start throttling even sooner!

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    1. Re:That just means by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      With a 3 GB data plan, gigabit data is good for what... 24 seconds? Awesome!

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    2. Re:That just means by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Assuming that your phone's hardware could keep up with it and that it could be delivered to you that fast by the sending end's infrastructure and everything in between... yes.

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    3. Re:That just means by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Throttling speed is worse than throttling bandwidth. Let's say you have 1TB of data you need transferred.

      Your ISP might throttle your speed to 10mbps for $30/month.
      1MB/s * 60s/min * 60min/hr * 24hr/day * 30days/month = 2.5TB/Month cap but you have to wait a month to transfer that 2.5TB.

      If you have 2.5TB to transfer it's far better from a user standpoint to have a 1000mbps connection where the transfer is completed in 8 hours overnight.

      Both are effectively 2.5TB caps, one objectively though is superior since it does the exact same job in a fraction of the time.

    4. Re:That just means by Apharmd · · Score: 1

      So now, they can start throttling even sooner!

      Yes, but they'll sell you additional blocks of 18 seconds at $20 per... so that's a win for everyone! Except the consumer, of course.

    5. Re:That just means by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The wireless companies are really dropping the ball. Perhaps they are still trying to regain some of their wired business?
      But if we can get quality unlimited and unmetered speed at a good price. We would drop our cable isp for the more convenient wireless.

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    6. Re:That just means by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Google Fiber is thinking about trying a wireless last mile approach in some cities so you may get your wish.

    7. Re:That just means by citizenr · · Score: 1

      this sound nice in theory, but doesnt exist in reality
      Do you know ANY network with data caps that has a cap close to 2.5TB? Its usually something pathetic like 300GB. This is why people prefer 10MBit with no caps.

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  2. The speeds are good enough! by sims+2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we just need to work on the price per GB.

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    1. Re:The speeds are good enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One hundred times this.

      I'd rather have a consistent 5Mb/s speed that's truly unlimited and not throttled.

    2. Re:The speeds are good enough! by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a consistent 5Mb/s speed that's truly unlimited and not throttled.

      Really? What if the throttle is at 0.5MB/s * 60s * 60m * 24hr * 30 days = 1.2TB?

      I would rather for most applications have high burst potential to decide where and when I want my data than to arbitrarily spread the transfer out over days or hours.

      All else being equal faster is better. And I would very much be interested in uncapping for bursts by the MB like Amazon AWS.

    3. Re:The speeds are good enough! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      So its 1Gbps and then 5Mbps after the first 5GB? I could live with that.

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    4. Re:The speeds are good enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be daft. More speed means more data can be transferred means an amount of data transferred is less valuable.

    5. Re:The speeds are good enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ads would then be streamed in uncompressed 4k format.

    6. Re:The speeds are good enough! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Solution: Make a browser extension that pauses the Internet connection after each 1 MB until "Continue" is pressed.

    7. Re:The speeds are good enough! by tepples · · Score: 1

      More speed means more data can be transferred means an amount of data transferred is less valuable.

      More data can be transferred means more customers, not more data per customer.

  3. Imaginary 5g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I like how they are talking about 5g like it is a technology instead of just a marketing moniker...

    1. Re:Imaginary 5g by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be much more than the higher broadband speeds, a portfolio of all kinds of standards, technologies and big back end changes wrapped up under a single name.

    2. Re:Imaginary 5g by supremebob · · Score: 2

      Hey... it didn't stop AT&T from calling their old HSPA+ network "4G" before they finally upgraded their towers to LTE.

      I guess that we can expect them to start promoting their "5G" "LTE+" network the next time they upgrade the backhaul on a few of their existing towers.

  4. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this speed doesn't mean anything with data caps. Personally I just don't give a fuck because of this.

    1. Re:Who cares? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      All this speed doesn't mean anything with data caps.

      Limited speed *is* a data cap. It's just a datacap that forces you to somewhat arbitrarily spread out your usage. If you want to download a BluRay quality film that is 50GB then you have to wait 50,000MB / 10mbps = 14 hours of downloading before it finishes. Or you have volume capped gigabit of 100GB/day and you only have to wait 8 minutes before it's finished downloading.

      You can't say "doesn't mean anything" as long as the data caps are reasonable. Sure there is something to be said for a 10mbps connection which gives you 2.5TB of transfer per month. But there's also something to be said for a 1000mbps connection where you can only transfer 200GB. It's safe to say that there is no way to argue that a 2.5TB capped gigabit connection is worse than a 10mbps (2.5TB/month at max speed) connection of equal price.
         

    2. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will you play it forever for free?

    3. Re:Who cares? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      2.5TB seems reasonable for $70mo at 1Gbps. Although for $9.30 I can have a virtual server with 5TB of transfer at 1Gbps.

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    4. Re:Who cares? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Where can you get 5TB of transfer for $9.30? I just did a cloud to cloud backup using a virtual server and it was about $50/TB.

    5. Re:Who cares? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Real servers in real datacenters have no data counters. You pay for your peering and perhaps a minimum bandwidth and a burstable bandwidth. The "cloud" and consumer data services use the metric of data transfer limits and they are purely artificial intended to milk the consumer. You can't buy a 50GB/mo line because that's just not how the hardware works, you buy a line with a bandwidth measured in Mbps and most providers will then oversell that to their customers and if they run out, they buy more lines (or upgrade the hardware). You can't just upgrade a line from 500TB/mo to 1000TB/mo simply by giving money.

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    6. Re:Who cares? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Hetzner cx20

      I was talking about bandwidth transfer not storage

      Even if we were talking about storage $50/TB is still too high.

      Without bothering to google anything
      They also offer a box with 10tb storage and 20tb transfer. something like $54/mo

      If you just need the files backed up and not a full hd image I would go with something like backblaze $50/yr. per machine unlimited storage and transfer but no accessibility.

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  5. Will they run 10GIG or more to each tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they run 10GIG or more to each tower?

  6. Overloaded back end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4G, 5G. its all rubbish. I'm on Verizon and a lot of the time around here, the back end is always overloaded. Sure you always get 4G LTE signal everywhere, but the throughput is slow as fuck. No one actually measures the back end (from the tower to the network)

    Same shit with my AT&T Uverse at home. I pay for a fuck load of bandwidth. I have fiber going right into my garage, brand new sub division. It doesn't work for shit after 6pm, and I'm actually better off using my cell phone for internet access.

  7. is that so?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then why the fuck can i sit in any one of a dozen different downtowns when traveling for business across your service area and barely pull a half meg?

    if at&t is spouting this kind of bullshit that only means they don't want to actually invest in 5g, at least not anywhere outside of their top 5 markets anyway and they're trying to fill our heads with the idea that 4g is 'good enough'.

    1. Re:is that so?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5G doesn't exist yet, so there is nothing to invest in. The specs won't be finalized for some time.

  8. 1gb? by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Heck, I'd be happy with 100mb speed. Most of the time out here in flyover country, you consider 10mb to be flying!

  9. It's a shared fucking medium! Stop bullshitting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people honestly believe that mobile is going to beat fiber, and it's all due to this dishonest marketing.

  10. So LTE is the sweet spot for profits? by swb · · Score: 1

    Fast enough that it's highly usable for more than mobile "data light", so it has inherent value to data consumers, allowing both the carriers to charge for it and for consumers to consume it fast enough that they will pay high fees for large consumption tiers, fat overages when they exhaust their allocation or both.

    If 5G pans out anything like the hype, carriers will have to change their pricing strategies. As most Slashdot posters note, you'd burn through current allocations ridiculously fast.

    But as much as people like data, there's also a limit as to how much they will consume. I wonder if AT&T is worried that the pricing changes likely necessary with 5G speeds will cross some line on a chart that causes data to be less profitable. A lot of people will end up staying within their plan or find lower end plans usable.

  11. Been All Around the US by w3bd4wg · · Score: 0

    I have been able to hit 50mbit speeds in 3 locations in America and most of them are right by Airports. It is like they only care about Airports. I agree with what everyone says here, what is the point in making any of it faster if they just cap/throttle everything and engage in deceptive marketing to avoid negative PR over it? ATT's CTO Andre Fuetsch has forgotten what it is like to have a data cap...sure they want to Extend LTE out, they want to get a great ROI...who cares about everything else. 5g? What would we ever need that for, lets not think about it... It is pathetic that we let these guys have these conferences where they can continue to swap their delusions around and keep the idea alive that the consumer does not get it. We do get it. ATT is a horrible business and Andre Fuetsch is a horrible businessman. If every other cell provider was not just as horrible as ATT, then we could do something about it but when they want to get together and keep prices high to make something off of nothing...then we cannot win.

  12. Great! But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering AT$T can't even deliver currently advertised LTE speeds in Denver, I have serious reservations about their ability to deliver gigabit LTE *anywhere*.

  13. They *can* by jxander · · Score: 3

    ATT can offer speeds up to 1Gbps.

    They won't, obviously... but they can

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    1. Re:They *can* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      up to 1Gbps

      And that's how they'll sell you the plan where you get around 100Mbps.

    2. Re:They *can* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually AT&T can't. Well you're right, they can "offer", but they can't deliver.

      AT&T is still in business I think should be the news here.

  14. All I need is *REAL* 10MBps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't throttle, no caps, no 'network management'. Just about 99% of everything else on a mobile computer (i.e. SmartPhone) is useless. The 1% I think would be the 4k streaming service that you want to cast to your 4k TV. Everything else is just marketing assholes.

  15. I not only smell bullshit by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    but I'm pretty sure I saw it drop from the bull. What is LTE, you may ask? A marketing term. Stands for Long Term Evolution. Nothing technical about it. There is no RFC defining LTE. Tweak your protocol to get an extra 2% throughput? That's LTE. Come up with a completely different protocol only your network supports? That's LTE.

    1. Re:I not only smell bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love your comment.

    As to LTE still being around for a long time, my cell phone still makes a 3G connection often. (I don't live in a city.) So I'm guessing I'll eventually get LTE at my house regularly, instead of switching between 3G and LTE.

  17. More towers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to build more towers instead of asking the government for more spectrum. The more towers they have, the less spectrum they need. But then spectrum is what gives them a monopoly.

  18. Fast vs consistent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be happy to get COSISTENT SPEEDS, even if it's just 3-5Mbps. I can barely stream audio/video without being stuck buffering all the time.

  19. What's in a G... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Thanks for admitting 4G, 5G, nG is all marketing hype and people are not getting the super fast speeds you claim.

    1. Re:What's in a G... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      There is a standard that has set the speeds for 2G/3G/4G/5G. What providers in the US sell is really (still) 3G (20Mbps) and when your phone says 3G it's really 2G. 4G should give you ultimately 1G down/500M up.

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  20. In Other Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While 100G will be able to download 1 PB/sec of data, bandwidth caps will remain at $1/MB

  21. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you can download enough data to be disconnected from the network in 15 minutes. Sounds great.

  22. HIGH SPEED SPYWARE THEN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That also fries your face off when Russians hack American Burger King franchises.

    gtfo FBI.

  23. Maybe that smell is your own breath. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The standard is developed by the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project) and is specified in its Release 8 document series, with minor enhancements described in Release 9.

    The whole point of LTE (as should be obvious from the monicker "Evolution") is that it is intended to be an evolving standard. The system was designed in such a way as to be flexible enough to support backwards compatability while keeping parts of the system modular enough to grow without having to throw out the whole system.