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Richard Stallman: Online Publishers Should Let Readers Pay Anonymously (theguardian.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader mspohr writes: The Guardian has an opinion piece by Richard Stallman which argues that we should be able to pay for news anonymously. From the article: "Online newspapers and magazines have come to depend, for their income, on a system of advertising and surveillance, which is both annoying and unjust... What they ought to do instead is give us a truly anonymous way to pay."

He also (probably not coincidentally) has developed a method to do just that. "For the GNU operating system, which was created by the free software movement and is typically used with the kernel Linux, we are developing a suitable payment system called GNU Taler that will allow publishers to accept anonymous payments from readers for individual articles."

Publishers "can profit from defending privacy rather than from exposing their readers," argues Stallman, ending his article with a simple plea. "Publishers, please let me pay you -- anonymously!"

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  1. Good, but won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because content creators think too highly of themselves. They want to sell and resell their work infinitely many times. And even though it doesn't work, whey think it does and they have the publishers on their side (and they think the same).

    Working for a few days or a year to produce an article, a song, a video or whatever, does not automatically guarantee that you should get paid for it. It's the same for someone who works for a few days or a year to produce a chair. If you can get paid for it, great! But don't fucking expect that you should get paid for your work just because you put down the hours. And definitely don't expect to be paid for each copy when the process of copying is free!

    1. Re:Good, but won't work by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the chair maker makes a chair that takes him 48 hours to make. He is going to sell it at a price worthy of the time he put into it. That is partially why you can spend $15.00 on a cheap injection molded plastic one or $1500 on a nice hand carved one. Now for the $1500 chair he may not expect it to sell over night but he will sell it at some point and recoup his time that he put into it.

      The problem with digital media is that supply is nearly infinite so whatever the demand is the product it worthless. However there is real demand for the product and creator for the products will need to be rewarded for their work otherwise they will move to do different things. So right now we are finding different ways to make money for digital content. The micropayment method a dacade ago never got anywhere. Advertising is getting too saturated and not so effective. Paywalls stink because they expect you to stick to one form of media.

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    2. Re:Good, but won't work by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I think the problem for news outlets is even more fundamental than that.

      No-one owns the news. Things happen and anyone can report on them. There is some value on being there, on finding out the facts. The problem is that once found, anyone can re-report them for free and simply cite you as the source. How often do you read about some scandal that it must have taken a journalist many person-hours, even years to uncover on some other site that is just reporting on what they found? The moment it's published, everyone else can repeat the findings for free and few people will be willing to pay to read the original report.

      The only thing this doesn't apply to is photos because a textual description is inferior, but since they are often taken by photographers who will sell the same image to anyone who will pay they are rarely exclusive. It's also quite difficult to advertise that you have a great, unique image without actually showing it to the punters who are then not going to pay for it.

      Wikinews is the perfect example of this. Completely free in all senses, and more than adequate for most people's requirements. Some specialist outlets like the Financial Times do quite well on subscriptions because people pay for convenience and analysis, but that's not something most organizations can rely on.

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    3. Re:Good, but won't work by Kjella · · Score: 2

      No mass media would ever work if the first person to read/hear/watch it had to carry all the costs. Nor would donations work because most people would wait and see if they could get it for free anyway without donating or they'd complain about what they did or didn't get like on Kickstarter. We need to split the costs somehow. But it's not good that online news sites track every article you read tied to a subscription, it's another wet dream for totalitarian governments. If reading radical ideas and critical voices about the government filters back to the government you might end up on some kind of subversives list and that'd be the end of an informed public as they'd self-censor away from knowing what's going on.

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    4. Re:Good, but won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "He is going to sell it at a price worthy of the time he put into it." Wrong. He is going to sell it at a price that someone is willing to pay for it. Otherwise it will remain unsold.

    5. Re:Good, but won't work by exomondo · · Score: 2

      If the chair maker makes a chair that takes him 48 hours to make. He is going to sell it at a price worthy of the time he put into it. That is partially why you can spend $15.00 on a cheap injection molded plastic one or $1500 on a nice hand carved one.

      And while a single one of the injection molded chairs would cost many thousands to make in terms of design, engineering, mold production, machine setup and materials the fact that this can be done once and then the cost amortized across the production of many thousands of chairs is what makes it viable.

      Obviously people aren't willing to pay for a bunch of journalists to travel the world reporting the news to them exclusively so instead the cost of this is amortized by everybody who receives that news contributing a little bit to funding it. It's produced once and then sold multiple times because the price to gather it is too great to be viable to sell it just once.

  2. Anonymous by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well publishers could quite easily accept bitcoin payments...
    The problem is that the content isn't the product, the users have become the product and the customers are the marketing agencies that pay for the information.

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    1. Re:Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sigh, I don't know why we have to keep going over this. Repeat after me: "Bitcoin is not anonymous."

    2. Re:Anonymous by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      you want me to take the time to somehow find these bitcoin things? i'll just pirate it. faster

    3. Re: Anonymous by naughtynaughty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gift cards don't need to be registered. Buy with cash and there is zero record of who purchased it or used it.

    4. Re: Anonymous by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then why can't they find the people who install ransomware?

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  3. Use tip jars by pieterh · · Score: 2

    Adverts are really inefficient, and paywalls just send readers to other sites. What IMO would work better, and fit US culture, is a tip jar that can be easily added to articles, blogs, etc. When you enjoyed someone's work, you leave them a tip. Why is this not a thing already?

    1. Re:Use tip jars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean like Flattr? It wouldn't work for modern journalism because modern journalism relies mostly on outrage. They try to outrage readers in order to get reader to look at articles and to post in the comments. Readers then come back repeatedly to view the updated comments, and each time get served advertisements. Integrity has disappeared from modern journalism. Journalists care nothing about the truth and are either focused entirely on increasing revenue and pushing their agenda.

      You could argue that switching to tip based funding would improve journalism, but I suspect that the only people who would tip are people who agree with the agenda that is being pushed. This would lead to journalists becoming even more focused on supporting the causes of outspoken minorities in order to get more funding from those groups.

      I don't think there's any hope for modern journalism. Slashdot works because most of the content comes from users posting rather than from journalists. Reddit used to work for the same reason, until they started censoring anything that didn't agree with their agenda.

    2. Re:Use tip jars by Visarga · · Score: 2

      The user should assume to pay a sum of money, say, 20$ per month, in total. The actual tracking should be implemented in the browser. As you see various articles and spend time on websites, a local statistic is made. At the end of the month it can be reviewed by the user (and changed by hand) and then the appropriate percentages will be sent to the websites.

  4. Re:Yes! wait No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A mass reversion to actual newspapers? I like it.

    As long as they go back to 50 cents like they were a decade ago instead of like fucking triple that now.

  5. Re:Yes! wait No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because he doesn't want to gut their income, unless you mean the income they get from spying and tracking. He wants to pay them money so that they can afford to produce quality content. Only condition is: every purchase and personal interest which they reflect isn't logged somewhere.

    The only feasible way to achieve this which I can think of is some type of cryptocurrency.

  6. Re:"For the GNU operating system..." by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    That is a kernel, not an OS. He is correct: much of what you call "Linux" is GNU. I'm still not calling it GNU/Linux though.

  7. Re: Yes! wait No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Someone else that doesn't understand the GPL :(
    The GPL is about giving freedom to the USER, not the dev. And ensuring that the USER keeps that freedom.
    Not that I agree with everything he says, but the GPL is good.

  8. Re: No conception of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the media focused on solutions then it would also have to spend time identifying the cause of the problems better.

    You know, sociopath CEOs, corrupt politicians, law enforcement behaving illegally, companies that violate labor laws, etc. People who advertise with them or control their access to exclusives in other words.

    Before Reagan was elected, media outlets kept their news and marketing organizations separate. The laws of the time didnt specifically require this but it was the easiest way to comply with them. Corporations were sharply limited in the number of local outlets, newspapers, etc. they could own. This encouraged real, investigative reporting without regard for advertisers' and government officials' wishes. Reagan and the Republicans changed that and they damned well knew what they were doing, even as the idiots who voted against their own interests and put them in office did not.

    Simple example from today: illegal immigration. This was not a problem in the 60s and 70s. Why? Strong unions kept people ineligible to work here from getting jobs. But the conservatives gutted unions with laws, lack of enforcement, and a PR campaign that lots of people here still fall for. Absent that, employers went with what was cheap with a wink and a nod from their bought and paid for enforcement officials.

    To fix this now, you don't need a wall. You don't need mass deportations. You don't need amnesty or a 'path to citizenship'. You don't even need unions if that's not your thing. What you need is to throw CEOs of companies that employ illegals in jail. That will fix this problem immediately at much less cost. Which candidiate has proposed that as a solution? Right...nobody.

    That's just one thing. There are so many things wrong which have the same basic solution (jail CEOs of companies that cause the problems) and a trail of corruption just waiting to be reported on and exposed, and we've got nothing.

  9. Re:Use tip jars automatically by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2

    Even better, let's have a protocol to do this automatically, perhaps built into Firefox or into Adblock.

    At the moment, about 90% of web bandwidth is advertising. So it imposes a heavy cost of bandwidth/time/annoyance on the reader, yet it gives back a fraction of a cent to the author of the content. I'd much rather pay directly for the content I want, and not get the garbage. It would also improve content quality because nobody would worry about their articles being unpopular with advertisers. And it would be a great way for Firefox to lead over Chrome.

  10. Glad to see more ideas entering the arena by TrimTabTim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look, I know Stallman is a public figure who's history means some folks are already rolling their eyes before he gets a word out. But none of the comments here actually address the merit of this thing yet, or the fact that this problem exists to start with.

    Regarding the post summary, let's evaluate the current situation. We have a world where media is beholden to advertisers and the public is the product. Injected with "flavor additive content" as tastes dictate, monitored, recorded and demographically categorized for convenient sale to 3rd party interests. I may sound overly dramatic but I don't think I'm exaggerating. The true customers for all ad based media are advertisers. Data aggregators then sell it all onward to corporate and nation state interests. I doubt any right thinking person would say this is a good state of affairs unless they've got vested interests in this particular food chain.

    So a solution is necessary. Reading the FAQ blurbs about GNU Taller from the link given though, and as a self proclaimed monetary history and economics buff, I'm not convinced this is the best way forward.

    I kind of like how they describe the difference between "sharing" which is anonymous and free as in speech and "transactions" where the income side is somehow not anonymous for businesses. This could be conducive for abolishing income taxation (an immoral action easily evaded by rich people) and moving to a pure consumption tax. Such as:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
    Which I would support wholeheartedly. I don't see anything though which would stop GNU Taller from only perpetuating the income tax, which I am morally opposed to.

    Lastly I see no mention of micro-payments. We need an anonymous way to issue fractional payments to content creators which doesn't require private details to set up, and which doesn't have service fees that would make arrangements like "a few cents per article" impractical. Bitcoin's upcoming micro-payment channel and side chain ideas are promising, but GNU Taller doesn't seem to touch on this. On this front GNU Taller looks like just more of the same whereby anonymity isn't a real thing: make an account at their site, accept cookies, sign in and be tracked as you use up your deposit.

    To get back to the summary of this post, consider this question: Would you give a street musician money if they wanted your name, address and credit card details? No, but you'd toss a little cash in his hat gladly. Some of the improvements planned for bitcoin do have this future in mind, so I'll keep my bets on that square for the moment.

  11. Could work for charitable giving by Art+Challenor · · Score: 2

    I'd be more willing to give money anonymously to a charity because it drives me crazy that I make a donation the junk mail from any organization that is vaguely similar (but which is usually of no interest to me) starts rolling in.

  12. Re: Yes! wait No! by lgw · · Score: 2

    The GPL is about giving freedom to the USER, not the dev. And ensuring that the USER keeps that freedom.

    As a developer, I'll go with BSD-style licenses, thanks. I look after my own interests, because for sure no one else does.

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