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Apple Hikes Order Volume For iPhone 7 Parts In Wake of Samsung Recall (macrumors.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In wake of Samsung's recall of the Galaxy Note 7, Apple has reportedly hiked orders for parts and components required for the production of the upcoming iPhone 7 and 7 Plus. Mac Rumors reports: "Apple shipped on average 30 million iPhone 6s units a month in the second half of 2015. The company originally predicted shipments of the iPhone 7 this year would reach only 60 percent of that number over the same period, but supply chain sources are today reporting that Apple has boosted its original prediction by 10 percent. The hike in order volumes suggests Apple is increasingly upbeat about demand for the new devices among existing iPhone owners seeking to upgrade, despite relatively subdued interest in the iPhone 7 models compared to the pre-launch buzz of previous years. Another potential factor in Apple's upward revision is Samsung's global recall of its Galaxy Note 7 smartphone last week, which followed numerous complaints that the device caught fire while charging. The news arguably couldn't have come at a worse time for Apple's biggest rival, which has pitched its Note 7 as a direct competitor to Apple's 5.5-inch iPhones."

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  1. Was going to order a note 7 by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was actually going to order a note 7 to replace my 4 year old smartphone. When the news of the recall came, I just decided to save some money and settle for a Note 5. I think if people like Android, they like Android.. The lack of Note 7s isn't going to swing people to iOS.

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    1. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      it i would be foolish if apple think it will get greater sales due to sumsung recall (i am pretty sure apple do not think that btw, and this increase if true is for some other reason).
      people who are prevented from buying a note 7, do have many other options(and andriod one too) other than overpriced ability challenged iphone 7.

    2. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. Apple is just doing what Apple does. Being smart and buying the parts at a lower cost before the price increase.

      Take a look at history and you will see that Apple has made very large contractual purchases just before the market increases the price due to the high demand of the part.

    3. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I have learned a valuable lesson from Samsung, until the make Note's with user replaceable batteries, I will never buy another one. See how useless they are, Samsung will now lose millions of phone value because of it. I wonder if the next note will have a user replaceable battery, consider no recall, product could be still on sale, just supply buyers with a replacement battery. Samsung just went through losses they expected customers to go through to force them to buy another phone or spend a huge amount upon a battery repair.

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    4. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Meh, we have five samsung tabs/phones in our house and haven't really ever had a problem with the battery. The shop down the street charges $80 to replace them.

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    5. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I just priced some for my four year old phone, damn $8, still happy?

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    6. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung will replace them for $45. It's not $8, but they'll stand behind them better than that Chinese knock-off you got for $8.

    7. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Samsung will replace them for $45. It's not $8, but they'll stand behind them better than that Chinese knock-off you got for $8.

      Yeah I've tried the Chinese knock-off for $8, did not go well for me. I pay for proper OEM batteries to keep my Galaxy S5 going strong.

    8. Re: Was going to order a note 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This increase is probably just a rumour written by someone with apple shares anyway.

      So sick of hearing Apple rumours. A very high percentage of them are wrong, and there are always excuses why. Remember how the new IPhone would have sapphire screens? Seriously, Slashdot 10 years ago wouldn't have posted crap like this

    9. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Why not buy a Note7 if you want a Note7?
      You aren't affected by the problem because you didn't buy it yet. And after you buy it, the problem will be fixed. You just have to wait a bit.

      You probably have your reasons but personally, I wouldn't get a Note5. It has lost plenty of features compared to the Note4 (SD card, removable battery, IR blaster, ...) and compared to the Note7 it is globally inferior (because it is the older model) and lacks the SD card slot and water resistance. The price really has to be interesting to justify it.

    10. Re: Was going to order a note 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this news report is a biased piece of trash written by someone with a conflict of interest, because you don't like Apple. Got it.

      Are you sure you aren't the one with the conflict of interest?

    11. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Because my old phone wouldn't last another month.

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    12. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I was actually going to order a note 7 to replace my 4 year old smartphone. When the news of the recall came, I just decided to save some money and settle for a Note 5. I think if people like Android, they like Android.. The lack of Note 7s isn't going to swing people to iOS.

      Agree here. People who were interested in an iPhone would have bought it in the first place, not settled for a Galaxy.

      I do think this opens the window of opportunity for other phones, be it a Moto, Google phone, Xiaomi, OnePlus, et al. But not Apple.

    13. Re:Was going to order a note 7 by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      For me it was about the stylus. I used to have a Palm IIIxe and was able to use it to get stuff done. I never again felt as if a touch screen was as efficient without a stylus. It just seems terribly clumsy to use a touch keyboard. I have big hands and a memory like a sieve so I'm hoping the convenience of being able to write stuff down and keep it with me will make a difference. If not, then I'll go back to carrying a pad and a pencil because I find the low tech solution more efficient for me than a touch screen.

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  2. Brilliant move by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jumping on your opponents' mistakes is sure to pay off, and this will force the headphone jack issue into the forefront quickly. Not sure how much that will work and backfire, possibly simultaneously across markets.

  3. Samsung Recall Irrelevent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IPhone will outsell them anyway and is likely just ramping up for their usual record-breaking holiday sales.

    1. Re:Samsung Recall Irrelevent by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      you know that iphones actually have ever smaller share of market. just stick to numbers.

      but you are right, samsung recall may well have no impact, since anyone not buying sumsung will buy some other android phone.

    2. Re:Samsung Recall Irrelevent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple outsells Samsung in the high end market. iPhone's out sell the Samsung Galaxy 5/6/7 series. But the cheap Androids outsell iPhone's by a large number. Just compare the correct market segments. If it was iPhone versus Windows Phone with the same numbers, Microsoft would have started a marketing campaign to convince developers to drop iPhone support, just like they did in the Windows era. Please let such a thing not happen again. Samsung+Google could become the new Wintel if they started to use the same business tactics as Microsoft did in the 90's and early 00's. I don't like Apple either, but I'm happy they are gaining a healthy market share which forced software makers to write their software for multiple platforms, which makes it more likely to support other systems like Linux and BSD.

    3. Re:Samsung Recall Irrelevent by sittingnut · · Score: 0

      iphone do not "outsell" samsung. and iphones have ever less market share. stick to numbers and face the facts. your/my dis/liking them has not much to do with that.

  4. Monopolistic Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Odds are that it's a monopolistic move intended to deny Samsung the ability to buy parts.

    1. Re:Monopolistic Move by unixisc · · Score: 1

      How many parts are shared b/w Samsung and Apple in any 2 models of their phones or tablets? Other than, maybe, the capacitive screens (just in case the dimensions are identical)?

  5. Halt (sales), then catch fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung, you are doing it wrong.

    Remember, Halt Catch Fire may be single instruction but its actions are supposed to be carried out in the order listed.

  6. Re:Why buy from apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And still pay more taxes than anyone else.

  7. Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    One hand, posible dongle for wired headphones I almost never use... on the other hand, exploding phone. Hmm.

    It's pretty obvious if they ship with no headphone jack it also means they ship with wireless earbuds. So why is it even a problem, much less the gigantic issue you seem to think it is?

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    1. Re:Balancing Act by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of conversations on the reasons. My point is this makes it a much broader issue because they will sell more units up front. More exposure sooner.

    2. Re:Balancing Act by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      It's not. Almost nobody cares about a headphone jack except for the kiddies that cant afford anything more than a $100 prepaid phone to begin with.

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    3. Re:Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      The number of extra iPhones sold because of Samsung shortages will be a tiny percentage of the total number of iPhones sold. It will in no way make it a "broader issue" - that would also imply there is even an issue, which the technorati will too discover to their dismay there is not.

      They same fainting couch was fallen upon with great false tears back with the Lightning connector change, and absolutely nothing came of that. I fall to see how this will be ay different, in fact it's a far smaller change.

      You may want to get out from under your rock and look at the number of people that use either Bluetooth audio gear, or just use earbuds that ship with the phone.

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    4. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already played the dongle game with HTC. Not happening again ever.

    5. Re:Balancing Act by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

      You're somehow acting like I suggested this was a negative thing. Regardless of your opinion, the increased numbers (yes, it will increase numbers) will make more people talk about its effects. I don't know where you got that opinion as I was clear that it would just bring more light to it, even saying that some people think it is good, some think it is bad. I never expressed my own opinion for you to get so butt-hurt.

    6. Re:Balancing Act by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      They same fainting couch was fallen upon with great false tears back with the Lightning connector change, and absolutely nothing came of that. I fall to see how this will be ay different, in fact it's a far smaller change.

      Almost nobody used the 30-pin connector for anything other than charging, because so-called universal docks were never compatible with whatever new device Apple shipped six months later. I doubt more than 1% of users used it for anything other than plugging in the cord that came with it to charge the device, if that, and even then, they used it for some minor ancillary use—usually not while walking around doing stuff.

      That's not true for headphones. At least one out of three iPhone users use headphones of some kind on a regular basis, and the majority of them are wired headphones, so this affects at least an order of magnitude more users than the Lightning connector change, percentage-wise, and it affects primary uses of the device (phone calls, music) while carrying the device around with you, which means the impact on each of those users is much, much bigger.

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    7. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hell, I played that game back in the early 00's. The Rio 600 didn't have a dedicated headphone jack. What it did have was a customized serial port for a playback remote, and that had the jack in it. The second anything happened to that remote - frayed cable, forgotten, whatever - you were toast. Never again with that noise, Apple lost a pretty faithful customer here.

    8. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll take a exploding phone over anything from a terrible company like apple

    9. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absolutely nothing came of that

      Except for the millions of people whose new phones no longer worked in the docks on their stereos, cars, etc. And the industry never recovered - did you notice that Lightning docks are far less common than the old-style docks that used to be everywhere?

      But at least the Lightning connector was a clear step up - better in every way except compatibility. The sole benefit of removing the headphone jack is a slightly slimmer phone, which is already offset by the bulkier & more expensive alternatives that now need a DAC in them.

      USB headphones have been tried before. Surprise - nobody wanted them then either, not least because they block the charging port.

    10. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stock earbuds don't work for everyone. I need a headphone that I put on my head like those blue Seinheizer instead of plug in my ears. Ear plugs only hold for 20-30 seconds before they pop out of my ears. Wireless earbuds would mean they pop out and fall on the ground. Just imagine when you are running or biking and such an expensive wireless earbud falls in the bushes never to be found back. It's a very bad move to remove a standard port only to have a slim smart phone...
       
      The miss formed ears thing are something of my region I think, you see many people struggling with the standard earbuds. The people in our region are slowly turning into another human race with large elephant ears. With the global warming we might eventually become the new overlords because we can use our ears to cool down better in a hot climate, just like elephants. It would not be wise if Apple didn't cater for use future overlords! ;-)

      But a non standard connector for head phones? That lets me remind about those old phones that all had their own proprietary earbuds connectors. I noticed friends with Nokia's who only could use Nokia's proprietary earbuds if they stick it to their ears with some super adhesive tape.

    11. Re: Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      did you notice that Lightning docks are far less common than the old-style docks that used to be everywhere?

      But it didn't matter to users. The docks are not around as much as they used to be, but people use them less as wireless technologies became more prevalent... exactly the reason the headphone jack is also going away.

      The sole benefit of removing the headphone jack is a slightly slimmer phone,

      Technically there are benefits to having the headphone connector being wholly digital also, and it removes amplification hardware taking up space in the phone.

      USB headphones have been tried before.

      Because those are just another form of wired headphone, only less convenient. Apple is (seemingly) not moving to a different wired headphone standard.

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    12. Re:Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Sorry I missed your neutrality on the issue, but I still can't see how it brings any more light on the issue... there have already been a billion articles on this, so I honestly do not see how it can possibly gain more exposure through a few more users of the phone. Even my wife, who does not care about technology or follow technology news at all, has mentioned it already... if she has heard about this there is literally no-one left on earth who is not aware.

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    13. Re: Balancing Act by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple is (seemingly) not moving to a different wired headphone standard.

      Apple almost never moves to any standard. Even when they do, they make sure they have a goofy variant.

    14. Re:Balancing Act by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

      Hearing about it and having people who forget to charge their headphones in real life are slightly different matters.

    15. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's pretty obvious if they ship with no headphone jack it also means they ship with wireless earbuds. So why is it even a problem, much less the gigantic issue you seem to think it is?

      For one, wireless *anything* is less reliable than its wired equivalent. In any sort of crowded environment, quality is going to go down as everyone's wireless headphones are competing with each other in limited radio spectrum. Bluetooth itself has abysmal performance in military towns and port cities, because something the military/coast guard is doing causes interference on those frequencies.

      Two, removing the analog jack means removing the analog loophole. That is to say, if the iPhone doesn't have to support an analog audio plug, and everything is digital, expect everything to be DRM'd to hell and gone right away. There will be more vendor lock-in, more "pay again for every play" schemes, etc.

      There are other objections; these are mine.

    16. Re:Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      For one, wireless *anything* is less reliable than its wired equivalent. In any sort of crowded environment, quality is going to go down as everyone's wireless headphones are competing with each other in limited radio spectrum. Bluetooth itself...

      It's interesting you think Apple's wireless headphones will use Bluetooth, or that they have not considered the aspect of many people using the headphones at once.

      That is to say, if the iPhone doesn't have to support an analog audio plug, and everything is digital, expect everything to be DRM'd to hell and gone right away.

      Even more interesting you don't think there will be an analog adaptor that opens up the same hole for recording.

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    17. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now I have to buy an adaptor too? Yet another dongle to carry around, keep charged, lose or break... Yeah, I don't think so. When it comes time to "upgrade" my 6s, I'll be upgrading to a vendor whose product is convenient for me.

    18. Re:Balancing Act by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      For the few people for whom the stock earbuds do not work, you just attach the adaptor to the pair of headphones you prefer and you are done. That's why I'm mystified the people think it's such a big deal, most people just use one listening device.

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    19. Re:Balancing Act by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It's pretty obvious if they ship with no headphone jack it also means they ship with wireless earbuds.

      No, it's not obvious at all. More likely they ship with earphones that plug into their proprietary lightning connector. And as always, the earphones that ship with a phone will be cheap crap, but the only replacement for a while will be to go Bluetooth, or pay double the Apple tax for lightning connector Beats headphones.

    20. Re:Balancing Act by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      For one, wireless *anything* is less reliable than its wired equivalent.

      Plenty of kids destroy the wires on headphones, sometimes costing parents hundreds of dollars over the years. Totally talking about other people, not my own kid *cough*. But regardless, having no wires can be more reliable in some ways.

    21. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1. The last thing I need is a choice between a dongle, and another device that either depletes my phone battery or requires recharging. Bye Apple.

    22. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost nobody cares about a headphone jack except for the kiddies that cant afford anything more than a $100 prepaid phone to begin with.

      I'm 52, have been buying iPhones since its introduction, and the iPhone 6 will be my last. I care about the convenience and quality of plug-in analog headphones. No Bluetooth fidelity degradation, no dongle, no need to recharge wireless headphones, and compatibility with other devices.

    23. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a iPod from a few years ago. It is the only portable device that I attach headphones to. Phones are for making phone calls... And texting.

    24. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. "Nobody" cares comment from parent is pure fanboi-ism. I have several quality headsets and want to continue to use them, not be forced to replace them because Apple snaps their fingers.

    25. Re:Balancing Act by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's not. Almost nobody cares about a headphone jack except for the kiddies that cant afford anything more than a $100 prepaid phone to begin with.

      Untrue, my kids have iPhones (previous generation admittedly) and they get through headphones/earbuds like a rat through cardboard. You can currently get cheap earbuds from Poundland, but I wouldn't want to be buying an Apple pair every couple of weeks at GBP30+ a pop.

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    26. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will be "downgrading" to a flip-phone and keeping my iPhone 6 for music until it dies. I'm tired of carrying the bulky iPhone around and having to be wed to a battery charger.

    27. Re:Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's interesting that you give apple so much credit, prepare to be disappointed

    28. Re: Balancing Act by unixisc · · Score: 1

      And as far as an iPhone goes, its storage fills up quickly. First of all, no SD slots, so you better have a good amount of storage to begin w/. I also use WhatsApp, which also fills up the phone. And if one has kids, then they tend to download all sorts of games & apps, which are much more popular for iOS than for Android or Windows 10 Mobile.

      So I don't have any songs on my iPhone, and don't plan to. I have an iPod Touch - 2nd gen, which is stuck at iOS4.2, and for some music videos that won't run on it, I have an iPad mini, which is current on 9.5. Between these 2, I have all my songs. But my best music device is my Verizon Ellipsis 10, which does have an SD slot where I have all my music videos. Only reason my iOS devices are better - my car's music system has an iPod mode which allows them to be connected to the USB and not require the Bluetooth connection that I need for the phone.

      So headphone jacks or not is a non issue for me

    29. Re:Balancing Act by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If you need something for just music - and I'm assuming here that your car is married to Apple's ecosystem - why not just get the latest iPod Touch or iPad mini w/ whatever storage you'd need? Dump all your music in that, and use the iPhone just for phone, texting, and a few apps like FaceTime

    30. Re: Balancing Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But guess what? We can already use wireless headphones!

      Apple's move does nothing for the people that like the convenience of wireless and are ok with the inconvenience of bulk, weight, expense, Bluetooth compression, and regular recharging.

      But it actively harms their many customers who like inexpensive, light, uncompressed, reliable headphones and are ok with wires, who now have to use bulkier, non-standard, more expensive headphones with a built-in DAC. And those that bought high-quality studio cans or noise-cancelling headphones now have to buy and carry around an annoying dongle just to use them - and they can no longer charge their phones while they listen, either. All for the sake of shaving off an insignificant 0.2mm.

  8. division of labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has traditionally owned the premium end of the phone market, making most of the money with only a minority of the sales because people are willing to pay for that premium experience. Android has traditionally owned the commodity end of the market, inexpensive devices made for the lower end available cheap and everywhere. And they are very good at it you can't compete with them on the low end where they sell most devices.

    Trouble is that if the lower end has too many problems, lack of OS updates, malware probs, bloatware, fires etc etc, people start to think maybe the premium is worth it, and they will be eagerer to pay for that premium experience to avoid the headaches. If you want to play with the high end you have to bring a high end experience to the table for people. Otherwise well, from the summary "Apple has boosted its original prediction by 10 percent." that is what happens.

    Apple didn't get to be the world's most valuable tech company for no reason. You want to go head to head best bring your A game because you need to deliver an Apple like experience. What you can't do is charge the premium but fail to deliver the experience.

    1. Re:division of labor by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      People keep talking about these problems but I have yet to be affected by any of them.

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  9. brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    use your declining sales and strong arm tactics to force your suppliers to lower their prices. then when your older devices get Touch Disease and you realise your sales might rise as you deny the issue and people might have to buy a new phone you still have the lower prices from your suppliers. You totally shafted them.!! Amazzing

  10. Re: Yes they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That logic is almost as tortuous as Apple's profit funneling.

  11. Order Phones with Removable batteries by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 2

    Order Phones with Removable batteries. BLU, and several other manufacteres make phones with good batteries that are removable. If need be, order a battery not made of Lithium Colbalt. The Cobalt part is Cancerous, get a Lithium Iron battery instead.

    1. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't cut open and eat my batteries.

      I read the MSDS sheet for lithium cobalt oxide but nothing there is mentioned of causing cancer. did you make that up? are you confusing elemental cobalt or some other compound of cobalt with this particular salt of cobalt?

      what good is getting removable battery if taking it from phone and putting in charger is going to make it catch on fire anyway in the charger instead of the phone?

    2. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1
      You know phones are generally more expensive than chargers....

      People don't usually store much of their data in a charger either.

    3. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Blu's website, I can put Cyanogenmod on their phones? That's interesting...

    4. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the phone is going to be in a separate place when the charger burns the place down?

    5. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should have used some of your Apple tax on a smoke alarm...

    6. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the phone is going to be in my hand with the other battery calling the fire brigade.

      How do you care either way, didn't you just die when your place burnt down?

    7. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Yes, the phone is going to be in my hand with the other battery calling the fire brigade.

      How do you care either way, didn't you just die when your place burnt down?

    8. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      If need be, order a battery not made of Lithium Colbalt. The Cobalt part is Cancerous, get a Lithium Iron battery instead.

      And get half the battery life, no thank you.

      I know that LiFePO4 batteries (probably what you are talking about) have many advantages, including better safety, higher charge/discharge currents and longer life
      However, the low energy density is too much of a tradeoff. Especially since safety is a one-in-a-million risk (of fire, cancer is insignificant) if you buy good batteries, that the phone cannot take advantage of these high currents and replacing a removable battery after 3 years is cheap and easy.

    9. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I don't cut open and eat my batteries.

      I read the MSDS sheet for lithium cobalt oxide but nothing there is mentioned of causing cancer. did you make that up? are you confusing elemental cobalt or some other compound of cobalt with this particular salt of cobalt?

      what good is getting removable battery if taking it from phone and putting in charger is going to make it catch on fire anyway in the charger instead of the phone?

      From what I know, the cancer causing metals are Lead, Mercury and Cadmium (forget which group they are in the periodic table). Cobalt is not in the list.

      I think reason GP mentioned it is that when the batteries are used up and disposed, if they contain Lead, Mercury or Cadmium, they contaminate the water supply leading to public health issues. Hence the call to avoid. But you are right - cobalt is not one of those toxic materials - not that you want it in drinking water supplies.

    10. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by aergern · · Score: 1

      Are these low end BLU phones waterproof? Any of them? IS there a phone out there that has removeable batteries AND is waterproof/resistant? Do BLU phones have the features? No? Then shaddup .. this MUST HAVE removable battery thing is getting tiresome.

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    11. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      people generally do their charging overnight. at least in the phone the battery is enclosed with not just the phone but a case, but those typical chargers (worth a $1.50 and made in chinese sweatshops) are going to let the flames be little Free Willy's.

    12. Re:Order Phones with Removable batteries by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Yes, and keeping the battery in the phone and the phone inside a case will allow it to heat up much more, and catch on fire more easily.
      People aren't going to put their battery under their pillows to charge, or similar stupid places that they do with phones.

      Anyway, it's either a big fire and everything is destroyed like you said. No difference.
      Or a small fire where not everything is destroyed, and your data and phone is safe. Removable battery is clearly better in this case.
      You can continue to nitpick the details if you like, but better is still better.

  12. Re:Yes they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yes, why should the European Community get any benefit from Apples sales. It's better for them if people buy Androids. Because Android makers pay their taxes, unlike sponging Apple who thought 12% was too high and they deserved to pay only .005%.

    We get it, Americans should buy Apple, the rest of the world should buy Android.

  13. Just great. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Apple Hikes Order Volume For iPhone 7 Parts ...

    Okay it's way louder, but can't hear it 'cause no compatible headphones...

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  14. Re:Yes they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG you should be leading apples crack (on crack?) team of lawyers. you have solved it all, to hell with the EU and their petty laws

  15. I used an iPhone 4s, would not go iOS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS is far too locked down. People who like the freedom and low cost of Android phones aren't just going to jump ship for iOS. They'll either just wait for the new Samsungs or buy something else.

    1. Re:I used an iPhone 4s, would not go iOS. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If you had a 4s, you were lucky in that the OS used was supported until 8, if not 9. Depending on the storage, there are limits to the extent to which a phone could be upgraded. Granted, one could point to Android Marshmallow and point out how one could toss in a huge SD density and swap the primary and add-on memory definitions so that any phone could be upgradable, but if a phone doesn't allow SD cards for whatever reason (which is a good reason in and of itself to avoid it), there is a good reason it can't be upgraded beyond a certain point.

  16. Cannot Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too late.

    The "manufactures" cannot retool in an instant! 4-months tops, most likely April 2017.

    Too bad Timmy.

  17. Re:Yes they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Apple pays taxes for everything sold in the U.S.

    How much they pay in relation to the profit margin is what matters. In other news, I pay taxes for everything bought in the US, which has nothing to do with the issue. This is just a troll comment and for some reason, someone gave it a positive mod.

  18. Recall V Blame User by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if it had involved an IOS product, then it would have been the users fault for holding/using it incorrectly, lol

  19. Good luck with that... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Yeah...good luck finding a flagship with a replaceable battery that isn't riddled with problems. We'll see what LG does with their V20 today, but after my experience with the G4, which left tens of thousands of users stranded thanks to bootloop issues and (in my case) absolutely hideous performance, I'm loathe to trust another LG.

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  20. Which would you rather have? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    A company who stands behind its products and recalls an entire model over a 0.002% failure rate, or one that tells you you're holding it wrong when your hand shorts out the antenna or tells you you've mishandled the phone when your touchscreen controller fails?

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  21. The Note 7 crowd isn't interested in Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By and large, if you're looking at buying a Note 7, the iPhone and iOS probably hold little value for you. There are all sorts of phones out there, but if you want a phone with a stylus, that narrows the field enormously. Wanting a regular headphone jack means a wide field, but not if you want an iPhone 7. Ability to browse a network and load or move data directly onto and off of your hone? Again, not on an iPhone. Like the ability to pay using your phone, but still looking for most merchants to move to a contactless POS terminal - you'd better get a Samsung, since nobody else (that I know of) can pay using MST on an old-school swipe machine. Always on display - showing time, appointments, notifications - without being plugged in or using any significant amount of power? That means AMOLED, and that's not an Apple thing. Water resistance...yeah, don't drop that iPhone in the sink or get pushed into a pool, or even get caught out in a drenching rain for that matter. (I'd add iris scanning, but it's a stupid gimmick that Samsung hasn't figured out yet, and has precious few uses - so it's not really a standout feature, imho)

  22. No iPhone 7 for me by wwphx · · Score: 1

    I need to replace my wife's iPhone 4S, but it won't be with a 7. That loss of a headphone jack makes it unusable for use in a car that doesn't have BT.

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  23. Re:Why buy from apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Partially true. They would also rather spend their money on the tip of the spear - govt lobbyists to carve out tax loopholes.

  24. Re:Why buy from apple? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Did you just give 2 greenhouse gas producing companies more marks for corporate citizenship than Apple? No wonder even as an AC, you've aready been modded down!