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Satellite Owner Says SpaceX Owes $50 Million Or Free Flight (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Israel's Space Communication Ltd said on Sunday it could seek $50 million or a free flight from Elon Musk's SpaceX after a Spacecom communications satellite was destroyed last week by an explosion at SpaceX's Florida launch site. Officials of the Israeli company said in a conference call with reporters Sunday that Spacecom also could collect $205 million from Israel Aerospace Industries, which built the AMOS-6 satellite. Spacecom has been hit hard in the aftermath of the Thursday explosion that destroyed the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket and its payload. The Israeli company said the loss of the satellite would have a significant impact, with its equity expected to decline by $30 million to $123 million. Spacecom shares dropped 9 percent on Thursday, with the explosion occurring late in the last trading day of the week. Trading in the shares was suspended on Sunday morning, and the stock plummeted another 34 percent when trading resumed. In a conference call with reporters, Spacecom's general counsel Gil Lotan said it was too early to say if the company's planned merger with Beijing Xinwei Technology Group would proceed. Xinwei last month agreed to buy Spacecom for $285 million, saying the deal was contingent on the successful launch and operation of Spacecom's AMOS-6 satellite. The $200 million AMOS-6 satellite that perished in the explosion belonged to Facebook and was going to be used to beam internet to developing parts of the world.
Launching doubly so. OK this was a ground test of the engines. We still don't know what caused the explosion.
And hey, wasn't the satellite INSURED??
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What's with these summaries? Facebook had nothing to do with the spacecraft, other than the fact that they had an agreement in place to lease a significant portion of the Ka-Band transponders on the satellite.
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They would probably have been cheaper.
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Always have an insurance
Never have insurance ... unless it is something you can't afford to lose. The cost of insurance is (expected-loss + insurance-company-overhead + insurance-company-profit). If you self-insure, it is just the expected loss. So never insure anything you can afford to lose. It is a bad bet.
Anyway, it is silly to conjecture about who is responsible for what cost. Here is the answer: Read the launch contract.
Wrong.When you self insure, you do not incur the "expected loss". You incur the "actual loss", which may be nothing, or could be more than anything you have.
If I had a $1m car, if I crashed it, I could lose $1m. But If I insured, I would lose the expected loss plus the overhead and profit margin.
The point of insurance is to remove uncertainty. Insurance is not a bad bet. Even very large companies such as Apple will insure because it is sensible to do so.
If you are self-insuring, you might not be using the funds you set aside wisely.
The cost of insurance is (expected-loss + insurance-company-overhead + insurance-company-profit). If you self-insure, it is just the expected loss.
Not true. The cost of insurance is (expected loss * probability of loss + insurance company profit / overhead). The cost of self insuring is either 0 or the expected loss. It only makes sense to self insure if you have a large number of things that you can average the risk over. It's also often a good idea to take a middle path. For example, the university that I work for gets a good deal on travel insurance, because the underwriters only have to cover very rare (and expensive) payouts. For smaller things, the university covers them itself out of overhead - these things are small and (averaged over all of the staff and students that qualify for the insurance) statistically easy to predict. They know roughly how much the payouts are going to be each year and budget for it. It wouldn't make sense to pass this onto an insurer, because we'd be paying them more than we're getting back. For particularly unusual events, we are covered, because then we average the risk not just among our own staff and students, but among the other tens or hundreds of thousands of people covered by the underwriter's policy. We will, on average, pay more than we get back, but in any given year we might get a lot more back than we pay and it's far easier to budget for that.
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In every human endeavor, there is always a point, and then the 98% of everyone else chattering away trying to look clever with what they know about insurance and space flight. "Talking monkeys with car keys," indeed.
THE question of this endeavor is: what went wrong -- and how expensive is it to fix? Until it is known, doubt is going to hang over that program, despite the 27 previous launches that did not explode.
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Actually, it's simpler than that. If you have one, insure; rare failures mean insurance is cheap, and frequent failures mean you're taking a bad gamble trying to dodge that hefty premium. If you have one thousand, self-insure; you're approaching risk parity with general population, and insurance would have a lesser stabilizing effect.
Self-insurance doesn't really just save you money. In theory, it's marginally-cheaper than buying insurance; and in practice, many insurance companies charge below-cost premiums to buy an opportunity (you're trying to transfer a threat). Progressive Insurance Co., for example, charges $0.96 in premiums for every $1 paid out; they have an income of $1.02 for every $1 paid out because they buy stable investments and collect interest.
Even without that, you have the risk of coming in a standard deviation lower (opportunity: your failure rate is slightly-lower than average and saves you money) or higher (threat: your failures are frequent, and cost you money). When you have few repeatable risk events (e.g. one car), the difference is 100% of cost, often lopsided (e.g. the cost of insurance is 1% of cost). When you have many repeatable risk events (e.g. a fleet of cars), the difference is in a much narrower range, centered more closely around the cost of insurance (e.g. you can expect to pay 0.98%-1.02% versus insurance). Self-insurance is riskier than insurance, and avoids the cost of logistics to manage insurance, while providing opportunities (e.g. you can skip warranty service for a computer fleet and instead self-insure, and self-build, possibly saving costs if your IT helpdesk is frequently underutilized and has time to replace hard drives or upgrade components).
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A) This was not a reused first stage. The first re-launch is scheduled to happen in October with SES-10.
B) The explosion was initiated in or around the SECOND stage during fueling. Even if it had been a reused first stage, that fact would've had nothing to do with it.
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The point is: SpaceX is cheaper than other space transport systems because it doen't sell you an insurance. When we compare SpaceX launch cost with (e.g.) ESA launch cost, we compare launch cost against launch and insurance cost.
Launch insurance is bookkept separately from launch cost. And you buy it from insurance companies. It typically costs five or six percent of the launch cost, depending on launch vehicle. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/01...
They had insurance, two forms actually.
Transport insurance is relatively cheap, ~0.6% of the $200M.
Launch insurance is much more, about 6% of the cost.
Since this was pre-launch it is covered by the transport insurance and the transport insurance writer is having a very bad day.
What the Israeli company is really upset about is that their acquisition (aka massive payday for their execs) by a large Chinese company was contingent on a successful launch, and has now fallen through. This has caused their stock price to drop 40% and they are freaking out, blaming everything and everyone for their failure to manage the risk better.
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Not anymore. At best you can say it is "to be announced" after some significant return to flight effort that will require the FAA-AST to recertify the Falcon 9 as being eligible to launch at all. A total loss of vehicle tends to do that with air and space based vehicles.
Otherwise, you are correct that was when it was previously anticipated that the first lower stage was going to be reused.
I really hope that SpaceX finds and can replicate the problem which caused this disaster. The replication, like what happened with the struts, is important so far as it is something that can be addressed and eliminated as a source of problems in the future. By replication here I'm also talking about showing how a pipe fitting or some other component failed, not about sitting another whole Falcon 9 up to deliberately blow it up.