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ITT Tech Is Officially Closing (gizmodo.com)
Reader Joe_Dragon shares a Gizmodo report: ITT Technical Institute is officially closing all of its campuses following federal sanctions imposed against the company. The for-profit college announced the changes in a statement: "It is with profound regret that we must report that ITT Educational Services, Inc. will discontinue academic operations at all of its ITT Technical Institutes permanently after approximately 50 years of continuous service. With what we believe is a complete disregard by the U.S. Department of Education for due process to the company, hundreds of thousands of current students and alumni and more than 8,000 employees will be negatively affected."
ITT Tech announced it was closing all of its campuses just one week after it stopped enrolling students following a federal crackdown on for-profit colleges. ITT Tech and other higher education companies like it have been widely criticized for accepting billions of dollars in government grants and loans while failing to provide adequate job training for its students. Last year, ITT Tech received an estimated $580 million in federal money (aka taxpayer dollars), according to the Department of Education.
ITT Tech announced it was closing all of its campuses just one week after it stopped enrolling students following a federal crackdown on for-profit colleges. ITT Tech and other higher education companies like it have been widely criticized for accepting billions of dollars in government grants and loans while failing to provide adequate job training for its students. Last year, ITT Tech received an estimated $580 million in federal money (aka taxpayer dollars), according to the Department of Education.
I had a friend that worked at the office of one of these campuses. She told me that 99% of the time they didn't even have a teacher for the class until the day before it started, let alone lesson plans or anything else. She quit after the second FBI raid and never looked back.
I went to ITT and now I write for Gizmodo. I applied to slashdot but I didn't have the errors per article count needed to be an editor
Having gone to ITT Tech AND then having gone to get my BSEE from an accredited university I can say without doubt those schools are designed to let you pass with a minimum amount of effort. HOWEVER, you CAN get a tremendous amount of knowledge IF you step up to do the extra work, which is what I did. That being said if you are willing to step up and be that self motivated to do that much work then it's no harder to go to a normal uni and getting a real degree.. which I did 2 years after going to ITT tech.. it was an expensive waste of time and energy that would have been better put to something else.... like a real degree. I did find the first few years of EE classes pretty easy due to what I had previously learned... but the path I took mistakenly took is not one I would recommend for others.. It REALLY wasn't worth it in time or money.
good riddance.
But a degree in Liberal Arts won't get me me a high paying job???????
You laugh, but even down here in the republic of Texas kids are being fed a boatload of lies, usually in the name of classroom economy. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "the nation's largest tech companies are demanding these skills" (group work, collaboration, well-rounded, etc.) I could retire and start my own school. What I hear when they say this is "we need to reduce teacher workload to shave some dollars off the budget", because all the things they say they won't do in class I find myself doing for my kids at home because 4 kids who don't know the alphabet can't teach each other the alphabet. I have no doubt the CEOs are saying these things, but I question their motives and perspective.
Normally they talk to fortune 500 CEOs, of which by definition, there are 500 in the world and they make hiring decisions only for the most senior executives. Those that they even see represent the very cream of the crop in terms of demonstrated results and pedigree which eliminates the vast majority of the world's population. You would be better off following your dream to pursue professional sports rather than pursue such positions, there are more employed pro-athletes. They are NOT talking to hiring managers and rank and file employees who actually make the hiring decisions for the majority of employees which is far more useful information for the vast majority of students. Unfortunately what they find might be expensive.
The net result is we have kids who have been force-fed bad information and have then made bad choices in their education based on that bad information. Be a collaborator, be a team player, be a leader, just pursue your dream, get a degree in anything etc. All horrible advice. Archaeology maybe your dream and you may passionately love it, definitely pursue it, but have a very viable backup plan of something that will net you a job with high probability and that you can live with. Very likely that is the job you will be doing while you wait for the archaeology position to open, possibly indefinitely. Also don't mention to prospective recruiters that your first love is archaeology but plumbing is a second choice: the odds that they will resonate with your dream are low, but the odds you get marked as "overqualified" (code for: will probably leave us for another job before we're ready) are very high.
Part of the problem is that there's a push to put as many high school students into college (even 2-year college) as possible, even those who would be better served going to vocational schools.
I could not agree more. I have a staff full of people who are definitely not college material but would be (and are) served well by a vocational education. There is always a need for skilled trades, welders, machinists, etc. Trying to turn everyone into a computer programmers regardless of aptitude is just idiotic and counterproductive. Not to mention costly.
Protip: You can't outsource blue collar work.
Care to wager on that? Ask the folks who work the assembly lines in Detroit if blue collar work cannot be outsourced. There are plenty of blue collar jobs that are very vulnerable to outsourcing when you live in a place with high labor costs like the US.
that cannot find enough trained machinists to keep up with production
That's because the entry level job is now open for Journeyman with 5+ years of experience, working $8/hr. Maybe if they did what they used to and hire dozens out of highschool for minimum wage, laid off the stoners and kept the ones who learned they'd have trained machinists again like companies did for centuries, but there's no instant gratification in that plan.
Instead they just hope someone else trains their employees for them, and whine like entitled brats when it turns out nobody's interested in doing that.
What we really need in this country are 4-year community colleges that are really focused on delivering value.
What we really need are good 2-year vocational schools + apprenticeships that teach young people actually useful skills, like plumbing, mechanic, welding, electrician, etc.
My company recently advertised a marketing position, and we got over 300 applications.
I recently tried to find a plumber for a kitchen remodel, and it took me over 3 weeks to find someone who wasn't fully booked for the next month, and he was only able to squeeze my job in by working on Sundays while my daughter watched his kids. I paid him $80/hr, and he paid my daughter $5/hr for babysitting, so he netted $75.