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LG Introduces The V20, The First Android Nougat Smartphone (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via VentureBeat: LG has unveiled its V20 flagship smartphone, the successor to the V10 that LG introduced last year, and the first smartphone to run Google's Android Nougat OS out of the box. It's also the first phone to get In Apps, a new homescreen shortcut in Android that makes it easy to search through content on all installed apps. There's a customizable "second screen" at the top, the fingerprint scanner/power button on the rear, and a removable smooth aluminum alloy back cover that can allow you to remove the battery. There's no longer two front facing camera sensors, just one 5-megapixel wide-angle camera. There are however two rear-facing camera sensors similar to the G5. There's an 8-megapixel 135-degree wide-angle camera sensor and 16-megapixel 75-degree camera sensor. The new phone features a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 64GB of storage with support for up to 2TB of storage via microSD, a 3200 mAh battery, and a 5.7-inch QHD display. It measures 159.7 x 78.1 x 7.6mm and weighs 174g. The USB-C adapter supports fast charging. The phone will be available in titan, silver, and pink, although pink won't be coming to the U.S. market. LG has yet to disclose the price, the release date, or carrier availability for the phone. It's also the first smartphone to feature a 32-bit hi-fi quad DAC.

75 comments

  1. Caution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    LG Introduces The V20, The First Android Nougat Smartphone

    ... It'll melt in your pocket!

    1. Re: Caution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it won't. That is the job of the Note 7

    2. Re: Caution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless of which phone you use or how reliable it is, charging your phone in your pocket is not a good idea.

    3. Re:Caution... by GNious · · Score: 1

      huh? Nougat* melts in your pocket? How hot does your pocket get?!?

      *: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  2. Replacable battery and micro sd card slot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    These are the reasons I will be getting an LG for my next phone. (current phone is a 3+ year old galaxy s4)

    The only thing that may hold me back is the difficulty gaining root on LG phones, for the US versions.

    1. Re:Replacable battery and micro sd card slot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This site lets you narrow down smart phones by removable battery, SD card, screen size, etc..
      https://www.productchart.com/smartphones/sets/3

  3. Summary is wrong by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    Summary is wrong, there are two front facing cameras- 2x 5mp 1.9f one traditional, one wide angle.

    1. Re:Summary is wrong by BeauHD · · Score: 2

      No, there is one front-facing camera sensor but it can capture wide and cropped shots similar to the V10. Think of it as a 2-in-1.

    2. Re: Summary is wrong by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      Ah ok, going off specs I read at I think Phandroid

  4. Seems like just yesterday that the V10 came out by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Almost like we're caught in a phone loop.

    1. Re:Seems like just yesterday that the V10 came out by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Better than a boot loop.

  5. Fifteen seconds of attention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And tomorrow, Apple announces the next iPhone, and nobody cares about the latest unsecurable piece of crap from the Android camp.

  6. What good is a spare battery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother with a spare if you have to shut the entire OS down, swap hardware, and then cold boot the system. Most of these Android phones take longer than Windows XP to boot up. If you're going to drag around an extra battery, you may as well make it plug and play - don't have to shut down, just plug in and keep working.

    Oh, and I call bullshit on the inability to make a replaceable battery waterproof. Nearly a grand for a phone and you can't make a battery with an o-ring-sealed contact port?

    I mean, it's a nice phone and all, but it seems that nobody is even trying to do good things anymore.

    1. Re:What good is a spare battery... by mmmmbeer · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot.

    2. Re:What good is a spare battery... by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1
      Yea, why reboot your phone and then continue to use it.

      Better to just wait until you get home tonight to charge it again.

    3. Re:What good is a spare battery... by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, why reboot your phone and then continue to use it.

      Better to just wait until you get home tonight to charge it again.

      Or just plug it into one of the dozens of cheaply available power banks (rather than paying $100 on a spare battery) and continue using the phone. No rebooting, just a cable running between your pocket and your phone. Many power banks now support fast charging too. And it'll be compatible with your next phone.

      Then when you're at home, plug your power bank in, and plug your phone in, and they'll both be ready when you need them tomorrow.

      Or plug your phone in, wait for it to charge, then remember to swap the batteries (reboot again) and charge again. Oh, you forgot to swap? Guess you'll have to make do with just one battery. Because very few phones have docks that let you charge a spare AND the main battery. So if you forget, you're screwed. You'd be better off carrying a power bank and letting the replaceable battery happen a few years down the road when it is degraded enough to be a problem.

    4. Re:What good is a spare battery... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 0

      $100? Maybe for original OEMs but I ordered a replacement battery off ebay for my Mum's HTC for under $25 inc shipping, local stock delivered within a week. (Although perhaps one wouldn't take the risk on a new > $500 purchase.)

      Powerbanks certainly have their uses but I wouldn't want to have a 2m cable sticking out of my bag while I'm using the thing. I use my phone as a camera and remember hiking around Lake Louise in Alberta where there are 2 tea houses high in the peaks but no electricity! Taking photos and video when you could just swap in a new battery at 4pm and keep shooting until sunset would have been the go.

    5. Re:What good is a spare battery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, iPhone cuck.

      You seem to have erased from your knowledge that batteries have quite a limited lifetime (3 years at best for decent performance).
      I don't want something that would otherwise still work because a consumable is dead.

      Also, I can hot swap batteries on my phone while it's USB powered.

    6. Re:What good is a spare battery... by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Plugging into a power bank is certainly better than nothing. It's certainly NOT better than swapping out a battery if the option is available.

      For one thing your phone's battery might be old and is losing charge and so you want to replace it permanently with a new one. A bank will not help with that.

      Secondly, you could maintain a second battery at full charge, swap it in and now you have full power. A power bank trickle charges your phone so if it's at 2%, then it's still 2% with the charger plugged in, and it might require an hour to charge it up. In the meantime you have phone with a dongle hanging off it. And during that period you can't do much with the phone since even having the display on could use more power than the charger is supplying.

      And frankly charge banks are a solution that should have not existed in the first place. There is virtually NO BENEFIT to the user of a sealed in battery. It doesn't make the device appreciably smaller or thinner. A battery occupies almost the same space regardless of it being accessible or not to the user. The only benefit is to the manufacturer who gets to build obsolescence into a device and therefore increase sales. I'm somewhat surprised that someone like the EU doesn't block the practice.

    7. Re:What good is a spare battery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yea, I don't want a removable battery either. I want an external battery to make my super thin phone into a brick from the 90's.

      I'm guessing your real problem is you wont be able to update your facebook status for those few precious seconds when the phone is rebooting.

  7. VIC20? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C=

  8. Care? by dohzer · · Score: 1

    All anyone cares about: Which Android game does it come with?!
    Please not another Flappy Bird with different textures. :(

    1. Re:Care? by dns_server · · Score: 1

      The eater egg is kind of dumb.
      You can add a bowl to your quick notification settings where you can put out food for cats.
      After a while you will get a notification that a cat has appeared and you can put out more food for cats.

  9. USB-C is shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a horrible design and the people who made it should be shot in the face. Do not buy anything that has USB-C!

    1. Re:USB-C is shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Micro-USB is shit and micro-usb 3 is the worst connector I have ever seen; rs232 would have been better.. I've had two phones with the plug that shit out.

    2. Re:USB-C is shit by DrXym · · Score: 2
      USB-C would be a good design if micro-B hadn't gotten there first. Micro-B has the frustrating issue of never plugging in the right way around but cables are cheap, chargers are cheap and it's the defacto format for most handsets (barring proprietary ones like Apple's).

      In theory USB-C is better, but the cables and charges are still expensive compared to Micro-B, even when the only difference is the connector, and there are also problematic cables and chargers. Benson Leung has gone on a 1-man crusade to highlight the bad ones but to me that only highlights problems with an overly complex spec and how certification has been conducted to allow it to get in this state.

    3. Re:USB-C is shit by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      You can still use older USB-A chargers for a type-C device. Just get Type-A to Type-C cables. They're not very expensive (I recently got a 2-pack of 6.6ft Type A to Type C cables for $12 off Amazon). I'm sure that the costs of full USB-C chargers and cables will come down as they become more ubiquitous.

  10. only 73% of the market cares.. by thesupraman · · Score: 0

    The 23% of the market (and dropping) still on iPhone probably already dont care.
    However the 74% and growing of the market who are not busy drinking the ex-Jobs coolaid of propping up excessive profits for Apple probably do care.

    I wonder what android features Apple will clone in this round? Or is it only the masterful stroke of removing the headphone socket
    so as to improve profits through a new Apple-only (apparently) hifi wireless standard? I guess they have to try and turn around the
    disaster that beats(tm) is somehow.

    Pretty simple really, aint it.

    1. Re:only 73% of the market cares.. by Desler · · Score: 1

      so as to improve profits through a new Apple-only (apparently) hifi wireless standard?

      Since when is Bluetooth an Apple-only standard?

    2. Re:only 73% of the market cares.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      coolaid of propping up excessive profits

      It's so cute the way you unemployed twats have to pretend you don't want an iPhone.

    3. Re:only 73% of the market cares.. by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      I've heard that it isn't Bluetooth..

    4. Re:only 73% of the market cares.. by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you'll still be able to use Bluetooth headphones with your new iPhone, but I've also heard that Apple's upcoming "AirPods" use a new proprietary standard (big surprise there).

      Of course, Apple doesn't have to create a new & incompatible standard just to get better wireless audio than A2DP. They could happily support aptX over Bluetooth (or even AAC or MP3). But I expect the prospect of a whole new field of Made for iPhone peripheral licencing just proved too tempting, so I expect we'll hear plenty about how this glorious new standard is well worth the extra cost you'll be paying.

      --
      Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
    5. Re:only 73% of the market cares.. by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Extra note: iOS devices already support AAC over Bluetooth as of iOS 7, and some higher-end BT headphones do too. So improved wireless quality is already available for iOS users that want it.

      --
      Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
  11. 8080 mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really a V20 unless it has 8080 mode.

    1. Re:8080 mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8088.
      V30 8086.

    2. Re: 8080 mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The V20 had 8080 mode and could run CP/M natively.

  12. Headphone jack port. by Rip!ey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see a port for a headphone jack. Just say'in ...

  13. Is the battery user-replaceable? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Nobody in my family has a phone with a non-replaceable battery, and that's not going to change in the near future. And I will do my best that it doesn't change in the long run, either.

    It's a deal-breaker.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:Is the battery user-replaceable? by xlsior · · Score: 1

      From the article: ...and a case you can snap off to replace the battery -- so yes.

    2. Re:Is the battery user-replaceable? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I ninja'd your reply with my own reply by a full 4 minutes!

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  14. Replying to myself re. battery by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Turns out, this phone does have a replaceable battery!
    Well done, LG! Now take my money. Shut up and take my money.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  15. Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first? Interesting, I've been running Android 7 on my phone for quite a few weeks now...

  16. My iPhone as a replaceable battery... by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    I go into an Apple store, pay about as much as I would for a standalone battery, and it's replaced...

    Or at least that's theoretically how it would work since I've never had to replace an iPhone battery, even after using one for over two years. In the meantime I have essentially a waterproof phone... which has a lot more utility to me than a battery I'll never replace anyway.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:My iPhone as a replaceable battery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha nope: US$79 vs US$15.

    2. Re:My iPhone as a replaceable battery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only want the waterproofing so you can stick it up your butt.

    3. Re:My iPhone as a replaceable battery... by Mr.+Droopy+Drawers · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. You'd give them your phone and wait a number of days. In the meantime, you either have no phone or you have a spare one to use.

      That's NOT what they mean by replaceable battery.

      --

      To Copy from One is Plagiarism; To Copy from Many is Research.

    4. Re:My iPhone as a replaceable battery... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      My point is I pay $0, while you pay $15... I remember the days of replaceable batteries, the problem is you actually had to replace them.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  17. Re:Tech reviewer verdict: by Xamindar · · Score: 1

    ikr? Tech reviewers are so useless as of late. All they do is complain that it isn't thin enough, not metal or glass enough, and doesn't have the best camera in the known universe. What happened to actually reporting on specs and features? I want to know if I can replace the battery, insert an SD card, or wirelessly charge it. I couldn't care less how thin a phone with a 5.5+ size screen is. And yet, that's all they talk about.

  18. Another phablet. by mvlmvl · · Score: 0

    Seriously, since when 5.7" is considered a phone?

    1. Re: Another phablet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Alexander Graham Bell.

  19. 1995 called... by DogDude · · Score: 1

    ... and it wants it's interface back. Yikes!

    --
    I don't respond to AC's.
  20. Creative dB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It records at 132 dB instead of 120, whatever that means, but the white noise is 50% lower i.e. a 3 dB increase in performance.
    Well done, but where are the missing 9 dB lol.

    Or are those "dB" for something, like recording concerts through the microphone?

  21. Shit experience with their last "Flagship" phone - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I will never buy an LG device anymore - I bought an LG G4 for my wife almost exactly one year ago. The phone is stuck in a boot loop - absolutely not working. Please see here for more info : https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/4dibyz/bootlooped_post_your_info_here_megathread/ There are more than 1600 posts discussing this problem.

    LG have even admitted the problem is one they caused: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-problem-hardware-fault-669603/

    When I sent the phone to support, they refused to repair it, said we had caused the problem and offered to repair it for more than it would have cost to buy the phone new! I objected - no response from their support.

    So do not use LG phones, terrible quality, made worse by shitty support.

  22. LG G4 boot loop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This issue has absolutely plagued that model and it does appear to be happening with the G5 as well. After 2 phone replacements and headaches with store and contract (they changed my contract illegally) plus the device itself having issues I won't be touching LG again. Nor Samsung it seems.

  23. Re:Tech reviewer verdict: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From TFA;

    I want to know if I can replace the battery,

    The V20 comes with several unconventional features that were part of the V10, including the customizable “second screen” at the top, the combination fingerprint scanner and power button on the back, and a case you can snap off to replace the battery.

    insert an SD card, ...

    The phone features a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 64GB of storage with support for up to 2TB of storage via microSD

    or wirelessly charge it.

    If it supported wireless charging, they'd mention it. So no.

    Any other questions? Or did you mean that you don't want reviewers to talk about anything else other than your particular little bugbears?

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  25. $100 for a battery! by Kludge · · Score: 1

    rather than paying $100 on a spare battery

    I have never paid $100 for a phone battery in my life. And you should not either.

    Or plug your phone in, wait for it to charge, then remember to swap the batteries (reboot again) and charge again. Oh, you forgot to swap?

    You do not have to put your battery in a phone to charge it, just drop it in the charger (that cost $10 on ebay).
    You realize that "power bank" is really just a battery, right? A battery that requires an inconvenient cable.

    1. Re:$100 for a battery! by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Considering that cheap low-quality knockoffs are so utterly prolific, even if the batteries *were* $100, I'd probably still buy OEM to reduce the chances of a bad battery destroying my device, and possibly me as well.

  26. I moved from Samsung to the LG v10 by sbrown123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    LG still comes with features many phone makers are no longer supporting or have plans on removing:

    1. Replaceable battery

    2. Replaceable and upgradable memory

    3. IR (blaster) port

    4. Headset port

  27. Re:Shit experience with their last "Flagship" phon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sucks. Mine fell in the boot loop just a couple months ago, right after the 1 year mark. They accepted it for repair and fixed it. They even replaced my poorly done replacement lens cover. All free of charge. I wonder if your experience fell into a period of denial that they've since repented of.

  28. Re:Shit experience with their last "Flagship" phon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with LG's support being remarkably "shitty". I RMA'ed and sent my Nexus 5 phone for repair after it refused to boot up...LG also refused to repair it saying that there was water damage. The phone was never dunked in water or exposed in the rain. I, too, will *NEVER* buy an LG device again.

  29. No Band 12 yet by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Nothing here for me to see.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
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  31. Re:Shit experience with their last "Flagship" phon by Mr.+Droopy+Drawers · · Score: 2

    thanks for the heads up. I have an LG Washer/Dryer set. I had to reboot my washing machine. So, the thread you pointed to makes me think twice about LG.

    --

    To Copy from One is Plagiarism; To Copy from Many is Research.

  32. IT'S 1981 ALL OVER AGAIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20

  33. LG FTW by Etcetera · · Score: 1

    I've been a fan of LG phones for quite a while... Started in the EnV days (and its predecessor w/ the same form factor), all through their higher-end feature phones, switched to an HTC ThunderBolt, hated it, and went back to LG for the G2, G3, and now G5.

    It always surprises me when people talk about Samsung as if it's the only Android device manufacturer out there, the Intel to MS/Google's attack on Apple once again. LG phones are pretty great. They've always had good battery life (replaceable!), a quirky feature set, and absolutely excellent cameras. I do miss some of the manual long exposure times, but the equivalent generation LG G# phones simply blow the iPhone cameras out of the water. If you do low-light photography (San Diego's a dark city) or video (ie, DJ lighting inside of a nightclub), the LG's camera options are great.

    Anyway... Guess I'll be upgrading again this fall. If you haven't tried an LG phone out, I recommend :)

  34. Re:Tech reviewer verdict: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be more concerned that LG is calling it their flagship phone. That means it will receive a single, minor version update and be promptly forgotten about.

    It's happened just like that with every other phone LG has named as their flagship.

  35. Re:8088 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dammit, that was the first thing I thought of and wanted to post it. Just drop in an NEC V20 chip in the 8088 socket and BOOM! you get a 20% faster IBM PC. Magic!

  36. Re:8088 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, ok. Up to 30% faster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEC_V20

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