DNA Confirms Cause of 1665 London's Great Plague (bbc.com)
Slashdot reader JThaddeus writes: The BBC reports that a 17th-century mass grave uncovered in London confirms the identity of the bacteria responsible for the Great Plague of 1665-1666. "Testing in Germany confirmed the presence of DNA from the Yersinia pestis bacterium -- the agent that causes bubonic plague -- rather than another pathogen." The grave contains approximately 3,500 skeletons... Teeth were removed from some of the skulls, and their pulp tested at the Max Planck Institute in Germany. Positive results were found in 5 of 20 individuals tested.
"To reassure anyone worried whether plague bacterium was released from the excavation work or scientific analysis, it doesn't survive in the ground," reports the BBC. The 3,500 graves represent roughly 3.5% of London's 100,000 victims of the Great Plague -- one-quarter of the city's entire population.
"To reassure anyone worried whether plague bacterium was released from the excavation work or scientific analysis, it doesn't survive in the ground," reports the BBC. The 3,500 graves represent roughly 3.5% of London's 100,000 victims of the Great Plague -- one-quarter of the city's entire population.
The summary suggests that some "what terror have you unleashed?!" doomsday scenario could unfold with Yersinia Pestis being resurrected from extinction... but that's impossible. Yersinia Pestis still exists and causes about a dozen cases of bubonic plague annually, nowadays. It's easily treated with antibiotics, and those of European descent are thought to be resistant to it. If I recall my Wikipedia correctly.
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The thing to reassure people of is the fact the bubonic plague is treatable now unlike back then not that it can't live in the ground as that is a fairly pointless reassurance as the bacteria is still very much alive and well in the world. It still occasionally raises its head with outbreaks and results in 100+ deaths a year.
At what point are we allowed to dig up graves?
After 100 years? 200 years?
There are some massive cemeteries near me on land that could be repurposed rather than wasted.
I don't worry, i'm vaccinated. First one in 1970, just got a booster in 2007. What, you're not?
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What about the other 75%? Is it a problem with the testing instrument or was there something else?
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"The 3,500 graves represent roughly 3.5% of London's 100,000 victims of the Great Plague"
If there were 100,000 victims, then 3,500 graves is *exactly* 3.5% of the total.
Perhaps the author meant to say "The 3,500 graves represent 3.5% of London's estimated 100,000 victims of the Great Plague."
Yeah, free dental care up to the age of 18, plus free dental care to those who can't afford it after that, and free dental care to those over 65.
What fucking bastards. Looking after people's teeth. For free! I mean, what fucks?! They should be paying a third-party for-profit company at least a thousand dollars a year for that, right?!
Fucking nanny states, making sure we're looked after, get to a dentists, have dentistry work and orthodontics that would cost tens of thousands in other countries, and that we get it for free. Almost like a... well, a nanny. Who cares for our kids.
Fucking moron.
Interestingly, I believe we still haven't conclusively determined yet that the Black Death was also caused by Yersinia pestis. Some interesting alternative explanations exist. Or at least they did a few years ago.
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Yeah, free dental care up to the age of 18, plus free dental care to those who can't afford it after that, and free dental care to those over 65.
Emphasis mine. Even if you can afford it dentistry is heavily subsidised. I went to have a wisdom tooth removed but found out there was an abscess there. It took three trips in all with some x-rays thrown in for good measure but I still only ended up paying £50-something for the extraction and £7-something for the antibiotics. I can't even imagine how much that would have cost in the US, even with insurance.
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Prices vary, but drilling out and capping an abscessed tooth is about $1200; I assume an extraction is less.
Here's an important difference: I pay for the dentist and his staff, and I'm paying for the damage that my inadequate care of my teeth caused. You're paying (on average) for the dentist and his staff and for a government bureaucrat. It's less efficient; the country as a whole is paying more than it would without the bureaucracy. Also, morality is being short-circuited: careless people pay little for the damage they cause; careful people are forced to pay for services they don't use.
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Interestingly, I believe we still haven't conclusively determined yet that the Black Death was also caused by Yersinia pestis. Some interesting alternative explanations exist. Or at least they did a few years ago.
The fact that Y. pestis is responsible for the Black Death was conclusively determined a few years ago. In fact, the paleopathologist quoted in the featured article, Dr. Kirsten Bos, is the first author of a 2011 Nature paper presenting a genome of Yersinia pestis recovered from the remains of victims of the Black Death:
Kirsten I. Bos*, Verena J. Schuenemann*, G. Brian Golding, Hernán A. Burbano, Nicholas Waglechner, Brian K. Coombes, Joseph B. McPhee, Sharon N. DeWitte, Matthias Meyer, Sarah Schmedes, James Wood, David J. D. Earn, D. Ann Herring, Peter Bauer, Hendrik N. Poinar, Johannes Krause. “A draft genome of Yersinia pestis from victims of the Black Death”. Nature 478: 506–510. doi:10.1038/nature10549
Just for starters : they were looking at microbe fragments preserved in teeth - because these are some of the most decay-resistant bits of the entire body. But for 1665 I wouldn't be astonished if most people who went into the ground for any reason had either badly-eroded teeth (grit in bread) or badly-rotted teeth (caries), or just plain no teeth. If the enamel from a tooth had worn off in life to expose the dentine or tooth pulp, then any bacteria found in there could have come into the tooth at some time post burial. Likewise if there were a caries pit in the tooth, it's a potential entry point for post-mortem bacteria.
1 in 4 bodies yielding usable results doesn't sound at all bad to me. Incidentally, euipment failure wouldn't be an issue. You do the fieldwork one month. 6 months later, you get to "doing" the skeletons and decide which ones have teeth suitable for DNA work. Then you apply for a grant for the DNA work - if it's granted, you cut the teeth decided upon and extract your samples. Put them in liquid nitrogen while you're working on the other teeth in the sample. Then send them off to who-ever is doing your testing. If their equipment is having a bad hair day, then it might take 3 months to get the results instead of 2 months, or they farm it out to another lab.
They're not walking around with a Tricorder and a guy in a red shirt, zapping a bone sticking out of the mud and saying "Yersinia pestis!"
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