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Digital Wallets Have Yet To Catch On, JPMorgan Executive Says (reuters.com)

Despite major tech companies working aggressively on making digital wallet solutions available everywhere, these digital payment apps in our smartphones are yet to gain traction, according to Chief Executive of Consumer Banking JP Morgan Chase & Co. From a Reuters report: Apple Pay, Android Pay, and Samsung Pay are being used for less than 1 percent of payments at retailers, Gordon Smith said, citing industry data at an investor conference. Ultimately, the convenience of paying with phones will bring a surge of use from consumers, but it is impossible to know when that inflexion point will be reached, said Smith.

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  1. Chicken, meet egg by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bank with a decent sized local credit union. After they got finished patting themselves on the back for their technological advancement rolling out EVM cards, they refuse to support any of the digital wallets, including Apple's, Android's, or Samsung. Their reasoning (at least as of December 2015) is that no one is using them.

    Well, it's kind of hard to use them if you don't support them and permit the card to be tied to a digital wallet. So we have a chicken an an egg problem. They won't be supported until usage goes up, and usage won't go up until they're supported.

  2. Because there's no advantage by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't go out and about without my wallet, so my credit card is always on me. Using an app isn't any more convenient, its less so. And I have to figure out the risks and insecurities of a new method of payment. I'll just keep swiping my credit card instead, thanks.

    I mean really- who the hell really thinks taking out your phone, unlocking it, moving it over a sensor, and typing your pin into an app is more convenient then taking a card from your wallet and making one swipe?

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    1. Re:Because there's no advantage by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 4, Informative

      You obviously haven't ever used a iPhone to make a mobile payment. It's WAY easier than any CC transaction, and no less than 10x faster than a chip based transaction.

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    2. Re:Because there's no advantage by tranquilidad · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use an Apple watch and it's a lot more convenient. I double tap the button and wave it over the reader and I'm done.

      Using my phone would also be easier - I'd remove it from my back pocket and double tap the home button and wave it over the reader.

      For my credit card - I remove the wallet from my pocket, remove the credit card and then figure out if it's swipe or insert for the chip. If it's insert then I have to wait for the network to complete the transaction before removing the card and re-inserting it back into the wallet.

      There's no PIN for me to enter for any of the transactions. Signing requirements vary depending on the size of the transaction, the merchant and the card type.

      So, sorting on convenience and time spent for the various options: watch, phone, credit card.

  3. What's needed is universality by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The end user wants a single system that will work at most of the places they buy things at, regardless of whether they switch back and forth from iPhone to Android, and regardless of which bank and credit card they have.

    Until the various industry players swallow their greed and agree to get together in a strong standards definition and implementation process and revenue sharing process that gives users this kind of universality, the momentum will continue to stall.

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  4. I've got 2 problems with a digital wallet by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, I don't trust the security of the phone. There is nothing on my phone that I would care about if a hacker got it. No logins, no passwords, no addresses. Just a couple apps and several phone numbers.

    Second, I don't see why I should give big companies yet another chance to mine my data. Especially something as sensitive as my spending habits. I still use cash a lot for this very reason, every year my credit card company sends me a statement showing me exactly how closely they track my spending.

    1. Re:I've got 2 problems with a digital wallet by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My concern is not with telling me I spent $45.27 at Vons Friday, $52.87 at the gas station on Sunday, and $19.12 at Applebee's Tuesday. I'm fine with that and need it to verify I actually made those purchases.

      No, what bothers me is the end of year statement has maybe 100 categories, from food,to alcohol to gas,to prescription drugs to amusement park admission to tires you get the drift. They tell me how much I spent in each category. As none of the amounts are 0 I assume there are more categories, they only print the ones with a non-zero amount.

  5. Blame the Merchant Customer Exchange (MCX) by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The MCX, which has Walmart and CVS in their membership, wanted to push their anti-consumer CurrentC app so they could avoid credit card charges.

    CVS even had a working mobile wallet payment system working with Android, but disabled it when Apple Pay was launched.

    When the world's largest retailer doesn't want to support something, it gets hard to adopt it.

    http://www.macrumors.com/2016/...

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  6. Because it's unnecessarily complex by QuasiEvil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fail to understand why I'd want to pay with my phone.
    A) Cash never runs out of battery, and the merchant can always verify it's valid without a network connection
    B) Credit cards never run out of battery, and there's a backup process for when the terminal can't call home to momma (although imprint machines scare anybody under 30 if they have to use them...)
    C) Mobile OSs are subject to security holes that are being actively pursued
    D) I have to carry a wallet anyway. Drivers license, health insurance cards, *cash*, etc. So what does it gain me?

    Seriously, this is the standard "wouldn't it be cool if your smartphone could..." sort of thinking, without pondering if it's really better to do those things with a smartphone.

  7. Security is an advantage by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If properly implemented, and it seems Android and Apple do, contactless payment via your smartphone is a lot more secure than anything else. Some advantages it has:

    1) A proxy number can be used for each transaction. Your real number need never be used at any time, as a proxy can be created for each transaction. The bank lets the phone know what proxies to use, and the phone lets the bank know when they are used. so even if the merchant gets completely owned, the information gleaned on you is useless as it was valid for that transaction only.

    2) You have a device that can notify the bank of the validity of the transaction. Not only will the payment terminal contact the bank for payment, but your phone can let the bank know as well. Now there has to be some slack built in the system to make sure that it can work even if you don't have signal, but basically when your phone gets back on the network if the transactions don't agree, a flag can be raised.

    3) You have some defense against a compromised terminal that overcharges (basically a merchant that has messed with their terminals to charge a different amount than displayed. Your phone knows how much the charge was, and shows it to you. If that is different from the amount on the screen, you can contact your bank there and then and stop the transaction.

    4) The two-factor auth is taken off the device, on to your device. You have to unlock your phone to use the payment, so you have a 2-factor setup (your phone + either code or biometrics). However with chip+pin, the pin is entered on the terminal so if it is compromised, it can get your pin. The terminal can't get anything when a phone is used as the auth is on the phone, not the terminal.

    It isn't flawless, but it is a decent step up from the security of just using a card.