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Facebook Is Collaborating With The Israeli Government To Determine What Should Be Censored (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: The Israeli government and Facebook agreed to work together to determine how to tackle incitement on the social media network, a senior Israeli Cabinet minister said Monday. The announcement came after two government ministers met top Facebook officials to discuss the matter. The Facebook delegation is in Israel as the government pushes ahead with legislative steps meant to force social networks to rein in content that Israel says incites violence. Israel has argued that a wave of violence with the Palestinians over the past year has been fueled by incitement, much of it spread on social media sites. It has repeatedly said that Facebook should do more to monitor and control the content, raising a host of legal and ethical issues over whether the company is responsible for material posted by its users. Both Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan and Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, two key figures in Israel's battle against the alleged online provocations, participated in Monday's meeting. Erdan's office said they agreed with Facebook representatives to create teams that would figure out how best to monitor and remove inflammatory content, but did not elaborate further. Erdan and Shaked have proposed legislation that seeks to force social networks to remove content that Israel considers to be incitement. An opposition lawmaker has also proposed a bill seeking to force social networks to self-monitor or face a fine. Facebook said in a statement "online extremism can only be tackled with a strong partnership between policymakers, civil society, academia and companies, and this is true in Israel and around the world." The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook." ABC News reports that "over the past four months Israel submitted 158 requests to Facebook to remove inciting content and another 13 requests to YouTube," according to Shaked. "She said Facebook granted some 95 percent of the requests and YouTube granted 80 percent." All of this adds to the censorship controversy that is currently surrounding Facebook. Last week, Norway's largest newspaper accused Mark Zuckerberg of abusing power after his company decided to censor a historic photograph of the Vietnamese "Napalm Girl," claiming it violated the company's ban on "child nudity."
genocide. Yeah, let's censor genocide.
So why the hell would that lefty loon care to collaborate with anyone?
The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook."
Even when the terror is being incited by a major state like the US or China? Or Israel? Somehow I doubt they're going to stick by this.
And there it is boys and girls, the sanitation of unapproved thoughts. Brought to you by Facebook.
So pointless. Censorship so seldom works, all it does is make you lose credibility.
If the brainwashing were complete and foolproof none of the sheeple would think or say anything that required censoring. The spirit of free thought is not quite dead yet.
Does anyone remembers that facebook got sued not long ago for collaborating with terrorism? It seems that it worked, they got scared.
You can bet a Jewish-founded and Jewish-funded site is going to do zero in regards to Hebrew language incitement against the Palestinians or Iranians or anyone else out of favor there.
So it is now unambiguously Jews ruling over our media.
Frankly the world shouldn't miss either one.
I block the recruitment by mass murdering jihadi
You stop incitement to violence against civilians
He censors free speech
Given the flow of low level attacks against civilian targets in Israel over the years, the idea of allowing Facebook to leave proponents of such attacks unchallenged is unreasonable. It's a matter of degree, but let's not pretend there aren't some out there who should be censored - or doesn't commending 9/11 with a call to complete it by hitting the White House and Capitol Hill strike you as unacceptable?
In this context, I find its historical connotations spot on.
Facebook, like ISPs, is someday going to have to choose between being a common carrier or a creator/purveyor of content. I'm sure they want to have their cake and eat it too, of course. They dont' want to be perceived as a media giant, yet they "curate" "trending topics". While also wanting to be the ISP for the third world (controlling content to Facebook-owned sites at that). What a greedy two-faced corporate monster.
And in a competitive marketplace, failure to provide a desired service doesn't permanently suppress the service. Instead it provides a market opportunity for competition.
So Facebook and YouTube start censoring certain viewpoints? Suddenly there's a customer base for their (current or potential) competition: people with those viewpoints, people who want to see those viewpoints, and people who want to be able to post or view without censorship and/or distortion from its built-in biases.
Institutional and/or governmental suppression just creates a "forbidden fruit" attraction - especially for adolescents in the "Young Warrior" age group, THE primary target for anti-establishment military recruitment.
Alcohol prohibition created a generation of drunks and organized crime to supply them, drug prohibition (and the "drug war") has done the same for at least THREE generations of drug users, McCarthyist anti-Communism created a backlash that has become institutionalized. I could go on - at least as far back as Rome and the Christians.
These all show that attempts to directly suppress ideas and social movements tend to be counter-productive. Why should a Facebook / Israel government attempt to suppress Palestinians, ISIS, or other groups they dislike be any more effective?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Isn't it common for the abused psyche to turn to abusive behavior and continue the cycle?
Yup. Nothing like letting a group of people who claim that God has a deal with them that he will always side with them over others decide what is and isn't acceptable for others to say.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
No more bacon memes on my wall :(
Facebook Is Collaborating With The Israeli Government To Determine What It Might Need to Censor in Order to Keep Operating in Israel
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
So the "will kill you" and "going to rape you" posts, a criminal act in most countries, will remain.
The problem is Palestinian violence and unwillingness to accept peace terms giving them nearly everything they want. Unfortunately there are many Arabs in Palestine that object to the presence of living Jews in Israel and will never accept peace with them. Do you resemble that remark?
Then sell the platform to the world with freedom of speech, freedom of the press as been very easy to redefine globally.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
That is Palestinian Arab culture in a nutshell.
Any reference to Ghandi is going to be censored on Israeli Facebook?
http://www.history.com/this-da...
This is not a signature.
F*ck them! In the United States we have something called the FIRST AMENDMENT! We have the RIGHT to say basically whatever the HELL we want! If you don't like it - don't read it!
As a U.S. Military Veteran I may not agree with or like what you have to say but I'll defend, to the death, your RIGHT to say it!
So Israel can just go F*ck themselves! And F*ck Facebook too for being ANTI-First Amendment and also therefore ANTI-Veteran! Facebook is saying they hate our military and basically are spitting on the graves of the men AND women that died for this country and peoples rights under the U.S. Constitution.
Welcome to the United States of Amerika I guess.
The Truth is a Virus!!!
If it was Germany making these same decisions, Jews would be outraged.
Why is slashdot publishing insane, anti-semitic conspiracy theories like this?
"Jews run the media" wasn't acceptable when it was being printed in Der Sturmer, and it isn't acceptable today.
Jews, the eternal victims in their own eyes, joining together to victimize others, and censor any reports of that. More they use their much propagated 'victim' status to morally blackmail and cover-up their own well substantiated crimes (genocide, ethnic cleansing, land grabs, apartheid laws, rape, torture, deliberate child killings on a mass scale, spying, corruption and influence pending of western governments, etc., etc..) less credibility and sympathy there will be for their true past sufferings.
Except that the vast majority of Jews are Leftist and opposed to Jewish heritage, except vis a vis pols who base their positions on Christianity. Most of them are aggressively opposed to Israel's existence, to the point of being pro-Hamas. They have opposed things like GITMO, support claims of 'Islamophobia' across the board, and do a whole lot of things that would make it seem like Islam has nothing against Jews. Except that it does, particularly in the Sunnah.
Like Debbie Schlussel said, a large majority of Jews are JINOs (Jews in name only), and she calls the female ones 'VaJINOs'
Collaborating? No, it's spelled "Colluding".
Empty, vapid words from a self-confessed war criminal. Your buddies are looking up from hell right now in disgust.
FTA: Israel has argued that a wave of violence with the Palestinians over the past year has been fueled by incitement, much of it spread on social media sites.
Yeah, those 40-foot-high walls that Israel is plopping down through the middle of Palestinian cities has absolutely nothing to do with the anger of Palestinians at Israel's illegal seizure of their land, or the destruction of the (200+ yr-old) olive orchards at-will. Or further their making even a modicum of a 'normal life' impossible for the refugees of former Palestinian territory – stolen by expansionist Israeli governing parties from Palestinians.
Any and all "agreed-upon" borders have been violated by Israel. Palestinian children throw stones to voice their anger – and Israeli helicopter gunships fire missiles into Palestinian homeland territories.
This "story" of placing blame for censorship on private companies like FaceBook is a complete diversion from the actual reality of what is going on in that territory.
Last I checked, yelling fire in a packed theater was is not protected as Freedom Speech. Neither is incitement to violence. Either way, it is clearly a violation of Facebook's Terms of Use.
How many religious people does it take to achieve peace in the middle east?
NONE
What a coincidence!
Well Zuckerberg is Jewish so no surprises that he's going to push the Israeli agenda.
So I guess Facebook will now censor anything that makes Palestinians look human or like victims, and anything that dares to question what the Israeli government is doing.
Man, as I read the posts here on /., I am shocked at what people have to say. This is nothing less than a hate forum. I think /. should team up with Facebook's efforts in censoring this kind of nonesense. Free speech comes with responsibility, and haters love nothing more than to pervert their 'freedoms of speech' to spread thier lies and hateful messages, and there are just so many of them here. Just sad.
Yes, this is no different than 1938. Well all you anti-Semites out there, FUCK YOU! The Jews have been through this before, and they will persevere. At the end, your just a bunch of fucking useless idiots that will eventually fade away from our evolutional tree. Pardon my French, but fuck you again.
Since Facebook is collaborating with the Israeli Government, would that mean that they would be required to register as a Foreign Agent?
|The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Registration Unit of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Act.
Yes, just remove the discussion from the public eyes, and i'm pretty sure it will go all fine! instead of creating some sort of very dangerous hidden "safe space" where ideas brew without any limit of reasonable people to stop it.
Devolves into mud-slinging the other side.
We should be discussing Facebook's censorship in general and the ramifications of government & companies collaborating on censorship efforts, not about Jews or Muslims, Terrorists or Freedom Fighters, Truths or Lies, because at the end of the day, both parties are guilty of the same or similar acts, and nothing has changed or will change from comments that focus on this.
I realise that probably half the people here are paid shills for either side, pawns locked in the cyber-stalemate as much as the real-life one, but I needed to get this off my chest because it's the same old shit every time there's an article on the state of affairs of Israel/Palestine.
Anyone who is anti-YOU is doing the world a favor. You are obviously suffering from some psychological condition. Did that start before or during your tour of duty?
I'm all for it. Remove, worldwide, all content from Facebook where
- Israel
- Albania
- Germany
- North Corea
- USA
- Iran
- Japan
- Afghanistan
- Flores
- China
and last, but not least Elbonia object. Perhaps the whole intersection is empty, after all (perhaps two lolcats are left?). No Facebook no more! Yay!
The problem is that endorsing violence undermines the whole basis of a democratic state. If I am allowed to call for armed resistance to the government every time I am upset about what they are proposing, you are providing a recipe for civil war tomorrow. There must be a general commitment to accepting the right of the government to make unpopular decisions, or your state WILL crumble.
It's also important to note that threats of violence in themselves limit freedom of speech. This is most obviously demonstrated in the Islamic world, where women campaigning for equal treatment often do not get treated politely.
Given the inability of the American government to prevent its police forces from murdering African Americans on its streets, the assumption that Israel can be expected to do better shows a gratuitous willingness to expect more of a foreign country that seems problematic. Similarly the assumption that it was possible to identify the perpetrators of the arson attack you refer to when many crimes everywhere go unsolved is dubious. However you do appear to have left out the fact that there are now people charged with that offence, so let's wait for the final outcome of the proceedings before claiming: 'punishment against Jews are laughable at best and non-existent on the whole'.
The right question to ask about the situation in Israel is not: 'Is Israel perfect?' That will never happen. The question should be: 'Is Israel's response to the presence of a large group of people committed to its destruction avoiding the death of innocents as much as possible?' Yes they've made mistakes, but so does everyone.
Ultimately, given the collapse of Gaza into being a terrorist state which has no problem with randomly dropping bombs on the houses of civilians, the claim that there is a realistic negotiating partner for a peace deal can be legitimately questioned. Similarly the failure of Lebanon as a multi-confessional state offers evidence that legal structures to maintain minority rights are not a basis for a negotiated peace.
The absurd obsession of human rights activists with Israel in contrast to the blatant abuses elsewhere in the Middle East, let alone Africa, China etc strikes me as perverse. The nearest thing to an excuse - that Israel may respond to pressure but those other abusers will not - would appear to be actually racist: Africans and Chinese can't be expected to behave right, but the Jews can? Isn't that what is being implied?
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
And SHUT UP about Jewish treatment of Arabs until you've cleaned up your own abattoir.
Note the response: 'I'm sure there's more to this story...' will not be consistent with your critiques of Israel.
"Israel is like a trained martial artist vs a kid yelling "I'm going to kick your ass!". The proper response to that is to ignore it, because it is not a viable threat, not to brutalise the kid into the hospital."
Given the existence of riots where large rocks are being thrown at Israeli soldiers, what are they supposed to do? Ignore it? To return to your parallel, if the kid is about to do serious damage to trained martial artist's knee, he's got to respond.
Somewhere deep in your personal creed are the beliefs:
1) There must be a solution to all problems
2) People of other cultures are ultimately reasonable and will 'play nicely' if only given the chance.
In practice the Middle East demonstrates these are fantasies; the failure of the Arabs to be willing to engage in peace negotiations before 1967 and their continuing use of the refugees as a weapon against Israel reflect a pathological ideology - probably from Islam - that allows no compromise. By contrast Israel has not gone on and on about those whom it accepted as refugees from the ethnic cleansing of Arab countries after their defeat in 1948, a number remarkably similar to the number of those Arabs who were, for whatever reason, no longer resident within the ceasefire lines of 1948.
It's pretty weird going on about free speech and at the same time writing 'F*ck'.
You can say 'Fuck' on slashdot as much as you like you know. And if you're prissy about 'Fuck' you shouldn't use 'F*ck' either.
E.g. when your PC won't boot try this: 'Fuck me, the fucking fucker's fucking fucked'
What is that supposed to mean, exactly? A wave of violence BY Palestinians, or AGAINST the Palestinians, committed by 'precious' Israel?
Zuckerberg is a Jew. If you don't know what Jews are doing to the rest of us, and how evil they are, you are beyond hope. It's all over the internet (which they are trying to control, as proved by this article).
What do hosts or I have to do w/ historical fact you can't validly disprove + words from jews' talmud that ARE RACIST IN THE EXTREME? Nothing.
* Go away fool... Get on topic & don't blame ME for the definite RACIST things Jews apparently live by in their book of cultural law in the talmud + the fact they've been booted nation to nation since ages ago & continually do so!
(No questions asked - they bring it on themselves w/ what I read from their talmud alone - or are all those 8 nations cited all nazis too? No, they're not!)
If that's the best you've got vs. facts, among others on this page I've read & didn't author (like the jews talmudic laws in the links posted)? You fail, & you KNOW it.
APK
P.S.=> I read that link & from what I see, jews are bigger racists than anyone I've ever seen for the most part - yet they SCREAM "racist/anti-semite"?
Please - come on & get real!
They also cry "victim" yet more poles, russians, & americans alone (& I am sure germans also) died BY MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE from each nation in WW II, & they cry "victim"?
Additionally - Yes, my family was in those camps too starved & experimented on!
People in villages were slaughtered for jews' sake in Poland (this I know from my ancestry) for jews hiding in their homes or barns - the nazis gunned the ENTIRE FAMILY DOWN for it... & we WELCOMED THE JEWS into poland no less - this was our repayment? FUCK YOU!
No - Jews brought being kicked from nation to nation over time on themselves saying it's ok to steal from us, make us slaves, rape out little girls (which ANY father in any nation would oust them for alone imo), & that the rest of us are naught but beasts etc.?
Talk deluded and yes, RACIST as HELL pot calling the kettle black hypocrites on the jews' part!
I used to THINK the israelites' cousins the arabs via Abraham were worse (they're not - at least they don't charge interest on loans, I'll give them THAT) due to "fire & sword" conversion to ISLAM was done by even Mohammed himself... but after reading what their talmud says, & the fact they've been kicked nation to nation, well, what am I supposed to believe? apk
Funny guy. Playing devil's advocate and posting opposing views as AC? This is a regular thing for you. It's okay. We know who you are ;)
Afterward, listen.
Presidents have a history of issuing a bunch of pardons - particularly, the questionable ones, on their last day in office; I suspect Obama will be no different, particularly with Snowden; while I definitely think what he revealed was a good thing, his superiors definitely didn't (and don't); issuing a pardon prematurely, is kind of crapping on their decisions to pursue him, like they have.
So you can bet that on-the-ground footage showing excessive force by IDF and the like can be deemed "inflammatory". Israel's PR cleaners are panicking that the state doesn't have the control over western media that it once did, thanks to the advent of social media.
Please peacefully vacate your home and business for the Native American reclamation.
Everyone knows there's no money to warrant shilling for Palestinians. Israeli government-sponsored shilling, on the other hand, is a proven fact. Israel was adept enough to hire trolls back in the 2000s, before even the US government got around to it.
So no need for the "both sides" false equivocation. There's only one side, much like everything else between Israel and Palestine, when it comes to money.
I don't think you really understand the First Amendment and how it applies here. The terrorists can say whatever they want on their own dime, Facebook is a private entity which has every right to control what goes on on their website. If these terrorists went into some shop on Main Street USA and posted their hate-filled screed on the bulletin board, the shop owner would have every right to take it down. Zero violation of the First Amendment, there is no censoring by the government. This is fundamentally no different.
As an aside, I've seen way more pro-veteran and pro-military posts on Facebook than anti.
Also, thanks for your service.
If Islam is against the Jewish people, why did Muslims protect them when Christians were trying to wipe them out in Europe?
Short answer - the Muslims needed Dhimmis to be their servants and do their menial jobs. And to pay the Jiziya. Living like leeches off non-Muslims was always a stable of Shariah practice.
About what Islam is, nowhere is it more obvious than in the Quran and Hadith: just 2 examples below, but there's plenty more where that came from
2:65-66. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
http://visualizingpalestine.or... The Israeli state was created on top of Palestine.
Uh, in the early 20th century, after the Brits & French carved up the entire region b/w themselves and reduced Turkey to Anatolia and East Thrace, the term 'Palesinian' was used, but it was used to describe Jews, not Arabs. In fact, until 1967, the reason world opinion was usually behind Israel was that the rivary was perceived as one b/w the tiny state of Israel, vs 22 countries from Morocco to Iraq and Oman to Syria that comprised the Arab League. Once Yasser Arafat rebranded the Arabs in Judea and Samaria as 'Palestinians', making them look like the victims, he scored a major PR coup
Otherwise, ethnically, there are no differences b/w Arabs in Israel/Judea/Samaria/Gaza vs those in Jordan, Sinai and Syria. In fact, Palestine was never an independent entity when it was under Muslim rule - be it the Mamluqs, Ayubids or Ottomans. It was always a part of sultanates or provinces of Egypt and/or Syria, and governed from Cairo or Dimashq, never from Jerusalem or Jaffa
What loser! You obviously are too busy in your mommies basement waiting for her to bring you a pop tart.
The Truth is a Virus!!!
Jews, the eternal victims in their own eyes, joining together to victimize others, and censor any reports of that. More they use their much propagated 'victim' status to morally blackmail and cover-up their own well substantiated crimes (genocide, ethnic cleansing, land grabs, apartheid laws, rape, torture, deliberate child killings on a mass scale, spying, corruption and influence pending of western governments, etc., etc..) less credibility and sympathy there will be for their true past sufferings.
The above hyperbolic rant is a perfect illustration of hate speech that is designed to incite and sow bigotry. Each of the statements made are provably false, yet "Coward" cannot be sued or held responsible for slander because the target isn't a person it is a community. In terms of unfettered freedom to spread hate America is an outlier and not the norm, so it is both chauvinistic and imperialistic to impose American values on the rest of the planet as a form of global law. I'll leave it to others for now to refute the claim, what is more important are the meta-issues. Free speech as a principle come what may is one school of ethical thought. Consequentialism is a contrasting approach - one considers the outcomes. Inciting Arabs to slit the throats of any Israeli that they meet was recently publicly advocated by PLO advisor Sultan abu Ein Ein on his Facebook page. 3 days later a 17 year old Palestinian youth broke into a home in the community of Kiryat Arba and slit the throat of 13 year old Hallel Yaffa Ariel. Other examples include inciting Palestinians to ram their cars into pedestrians and to poison the food of patrons in restaurants where they work. Then there's conspiracy theories such as claims that Israel is digging under Al Aqsa to undermine the foundations and cause it to collapse. Threats to al Aqsa are a staple of Palestinian Arab conspiracy theories and have a long history of incitement going back to the 1929 Hebron massacre and the start of the 2nd Intifadeh based on rumours surrounding Sharon's visit to the the Temple Mount - which had been previously cleared by the Palestinian Authority, which then encouraged the rumors. The problem is that Facebook is not a free press, it is a walled garden. People like "Coward" can publish what they like and there is no freedom to reply, as there is here. "Coward" can and do filter, censor and block what he doesn't approve of on his Facebook page. As supreme court justice Brandeis observed, when it comes to public lies and hate speech, "sunlight is the best disinfectant". The downside of Facebook's walled garden is that it provides places where the sun don't shine, and in certain cases there needs to be a remedy to that. What defines these cases does need to be discussed. Advocating Itbach al Yahud (slaughter the Jews), or any other group should never be acceptable.
You'd be surprised how much is protected by the First Amendment.
You'd be surprised if not astonished that most of the planet isn't American and is not subject to American principles of law. But it is. Not only is Israel not America, neither is France, Spain, Indonesia, the Philippines, India, Russia or Venezuela. Outside the borders of the US you're just another bunch of foreigners, sometimes behaving yourself and at other times acting like dicks. One might wish to cite the Universal Declaration of Human Rights on free speech, but it's not that clear what it includes and doesn't include. One might also look at the Organization of Islamic Cooperation which in it's version of human rights states that free speech is OK, as long as it doesn't conflict with Sharia. "Palestine" is a signatory.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I'm disappointed to see you retreating so inelegantly. It is a fact of history that the elite's view, defended by unjustified certainty, proves to be wrong when the elite doesn't ensure it's listening. To describe a view as racist - and on the whole I'm probably only being anti-Muslim, not anti-Arab - and therefore untrue, which is all the logic you offer, is foolish. It shows an unwillingness to THINK, the disease of our hedonist degenerate culture. But having fun is our society's highest value these days; on the whole we're not prepared to make the effort to think. May you enjoy your float down stream; of course that's not the sound of the Niagara Falls you're hearing.