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Right To Be Forgotten? Web Privacy Debate in Italy After Women's Suicide (ndtv.com)

The suicide of a woman who battled for months to have a video of her having sex removed from the internet is fuelling debate in Italy on the "right to be forgotten" online. The 31-year-old, identified as Tiziana, was found hanged at her aunt's home in Mugnano, close to Naples in the country's south on Tuesday, reports Agence France-Presse. From the report: Her death came a year after she sent a video of herself having sex to some friends, including her ex-boyfriend, to make him jealous. The video and her name soon found their way to the web and went viral, fuelling mockery of the woman online. The footage has been viewed by almost a million internet users. In a bid to escape the humiliation, Tiziana quit her job, moved to Tuscany and tried to change her name, but her nightmare went on. The words "You're filming? Bravo," spoken by the woman to her lover in the video, have become a derisive joke online, and the phrase has been printed on T-shirts, smartphone cases and other items. After a long court battle, Tiziana recently won a "right to be forgotten" ruling ordering the video to be removed from various sites and search engines, including Facebook.

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  1. Bravo indeed by qbast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "after she sent a video of herself having sex to some friends, including her ex-boyfriend, to make him jealous."

    Stupidity kills.

    1. Re:Bravo indeed by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah - if an ex sends a video of her having sex to make you jealous, sharing it with the world at large is pretty much the ultimate F U response.

      "So do you want to see just how not jealous I am?" *click*

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    2. Re:Bravo indeed by cecurry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A "free pass"!? They started putting her words on t-shirts, dude. For one mistake. For all the people screaming about accountability in her actions, I'd like to see you have your biggest mistakes become an object of mockery for everyone in the world.

    3. Re:Bravo indeed by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      biggest mistakes become an object of mockery

      Windows Mobile.

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    4. Re: Bravo indeed by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Despite the apparent acquiescence of neck-beards on Slashdot, having the ability to share personal information without sharing it with the entire world is something greatly desired by actual human beings.

      And this capability has never, ever existed. Even huge corporations have tried to make it happen through a collection of technologies and laws called Digital Rights Management and despite tens of millions of dollars and system after system, DRM falls or is circumvented through the final 'analog hole'.

      It's possible to have sympathy while still acknowledging that the risks that led to this outcome were entirely hers to bear in her obviously ill-thought actions that started this. The extreme nature of her particular extreme cultural influence is certainly abnormal, but it does show how ridiculous it is to expect the right to be forgotten to actually do a damn thing.

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    5. Re:Bravo indeed by mjr167 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think this falls under... "If you don't want the whole world including your mom and your pastor to see it, don't take pics and put it on the internet".

      Sometimes you really do need to think things through before you act cause sometimes "oops" just doesn't cut it.

    6. Re:Bravo indeed by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're seeing a new phenomenon relative to the entirely of human existence -- it's not natural for people to adjust to.

      What are you talking about? For how much of human history do you think it was easy for average people to leave their society and start a new life? For how much of human history do you think average people had a large enough community to enjoy actual anonymity at any point in their life?

      For most of human history you had small villages with a few hundred people, so anything you did followed you for life. I'm probably even being generous with that "few hundred" figure. Even in large cities people were segregated into smaller communities. What do you think would have happened to a woman who had sex in public for their ex-boyfriend and a few other people to watch in 1200 AD? It probably wouldn't have a happy ending for the woman.

      Our society (especially in the US) has enjoyed perhaps a couple hundred years providing an unusual level of anonymity and chance for a new start in life. The final result of the information age will almost certainly put that to an end. Our societies need to spend more time dealing with the consequences of a lack of privacy and the permanency of information instead of kicking that can down the road with stupid laws and an idealistic view of human history.

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    7. Re:Bravo indeed by pr0fessor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People want to share personal information with other human beings without sharing it with the rest of the world.

      Granted there are people who share share private information in confidence with their friends and family but this isn't what happened. She sent a spiteful and mean video to her friends and ex-boyfriend in order to publicly humiliate and hurt him. It became more public than she had intended but if it had humiliated only him I imagine she would be feeling awfully satisfied.

      I wouldn't do that to an ex and if one did it to me I wouldn't be sharing it with the world... the entire situation is out of control.

    8. Re:Bravo indeed by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look I feel bad for the gal, but:
      she sent a video of herself having sex to some friends, including her ex-boyfriend, to make him jealous.
      Has nothing to do with file encryption or security best practices... It is *common sense* not to do something such as this. Sending someone what is effectively self destructive in an attempt to anger them is literally begging for retaliation, while providing said ammo.

      This woman was stupid on an epic scale.

      Star wars kid, tron guy, etc. all silly and sure, embarrassing, but not actually damaging nearly at the level of a sex tape.

      What. Was. She. Thinking?

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    9. Re:Bravo indeed by coinreturn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuck you.

      Well sure, as long as you're not taping it.

  2. Right to be Forgotten by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're asking for something that is impossible, to be a "Right"

    The "online" part is irrelevant (and just as impossible). I can no more "forget" on demand short of you lobotomizing me, and you don't have that right.

    So, lets stop tossing words like "rights" around, when they cannot apply.

    BTW, she handled it very poorly. She could have milked it (trademarked the phrase) and become a famous porn star, with a catch phrase and all. Embrace that which makes you famous (like the Kardashians) and you'll be both Rich and Famous.

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  3. Re:Blame Someone Else by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blame Someone Else for your own stupidity.

    Agreed.

    She must be an American at heart.

    There are stupid people all around the world, my friend. Pointing the finger at a country and calling its people stupid is like pointing at the Sun and calling it helium.

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  4. Re:Are you for real? by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having sympathy for the woman and having outrage that these kind of stupid decisions end up creating even more stupid laws are not mutually exclusive. Having more outrage about laws that affect billions of people (even if only slightly) than sympathy for a single human life is also quite natural, consider 150,000 people die each day.

    If there was no such thing as Right to be Forgotten laws, there would be nothing but sympathy for this woman. But considering the political climate it is reasonable most of us are upset at the people peeing in the pool everyone else has to swim in.

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  5. A shame indeed by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, it's truly a shame that the world has become a place where you cannot escape your mistakes, large or small, if someone, anyone, is the least bit interested in seeing to it that you can't. No matter how hard you try, no matter how sincere you are, no matter what lengths you go to to adjust your behavior or act in ways to mitigate or reverse any damage you might have done, or have been perceived to have done.

    It's part and parcel of the retribution over rehabilitation mindset, I think. Despicable, really.

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  6. Re: Are you for real? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think YOU are mistaken. I never said that she made the videos with her ex - she made them with other men (including more than one at a time) after the split, with the express purpose of humiliating him in front of his friends and family to whom she distributed the videos.

    When she distributed it to people who never even asked to see it, she lost all right to claim any sort of "privacy." There was no prior "understanding" between her and any of the recipients that "hey, this is private, just fyi, so keep it confidential." She was attempting emotional blackmail, and the motivation makes it revenge porn.

    If someone tried to humiliate me, I'd make it very public (actually, already happened a few times) as a way of holding them accountable for their actions. They would have NO right of privacy in what they had said. Anything less gives power to the perp, and she was the perp in this case.

    She was the one who tried to do the whole public shaming thing, but, like pissing in the wind, when the wind doesn't blow the right way, you're going to get splash-back.

    Once you make something public, there's no take-back. That's the way the world works, and has worked long before the Internet. Gossip is part of human nature.

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  7. Re:Constitution... doesn't apply in Italy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just to elaborate a bit, all speech is constitutionally protected in the US

    ... except for libel, slander, perjury, credible threats, inciting violence, copyright violations, security clearance violations, illegal recordings, disclosing sealed court documents, public obscenity, etc.