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Apple Patents a Paper Bag (theguardian.com)

mspohr writes: Continuing its leadership in innovation, Apple has patented a paper bag. We all remember the groundbreaking "rounded corners" innovation, now we have a paper bag! Just try to make your own paper bag and you'll be speaking with Apple lawyers. (Note: In fairness to Apple, this is a "special" paper bag which is stronger due to numerous improvements on your ordinary recycled paper bag -- just don't try to copy it.) The patent application summarizes the bag as follows: "A paper bag is disclosed. The paper bag may include a bag container formed of white solid bleached sulfate paper with at least 60% post-consumer content." Apple's patented paper bags are designed to be sturdy, while remaining "both pearly white and environmentally friendly." Let's just hope they don't remove the handles...

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  1. I claim prior art by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    In fact, the paper bag was invented by a woman to serve baked goods in, at least the white one Apple describes. The brown paper bag was invented by another woman, too.

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    1. Re: I claim prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      While the thought of a patent on a paper bag seems silly, if you actually read the patent there is a lot more to it than just patenting what you think of as a paper bag, it's a complete redesign of how a bag is made. While this does not mean the patent should be approved, it's certainly wouldn't impact normal paper bags.

    2. Re: I claim prior art by macs4all · · Score: 2

      While the thought of a patent on a paper bag seems silly, if you actually read the patent there is a lot more to it than just patenting what you think of as a paper bag, it's a complete redesign of how a bag is made. While this does not mean the patent should be approved, it's certainly wouldn't impact normal paper bags.

      And not only that; just take a look the next time you go to a chain-restaurant. Cups? Patented. Cup Lid? Patented. Sandwich container? Definitely Patented. Condiment Packets? Patented. And, oh yes: Bag? You guessed it; Patented.

      And yet none of those are worthy of the attention of Slashdot. Why?

      Because Clickbait.

    3. Re:I claim prior art by mspohr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ACs like you would be harder to track but in this case the submitter used his user name so it's not difficult for anyone with half a brain to figure it out.
      The submitter would happen to be me. I posted this "garbage" to illustrate just how far Apple has fallen in terms of innovation and leadership. It seems the only thing they can do these days is protect and extend their walled garden. "Courage" means screwing customers. Innovation means thinking up dodgy ways to avoid paying taxes. Their product line is old and tired and falling badly behind everyone else.
      Sad, but very relevant for anyone who cares about tech.

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    4. Re: I claim prior art by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      If you ever visit Apple, go to their cafeteria. Order a pizza. Look at the box: it comes in a custom Apple-designed cardboard box (actually, a very nice design that is smaller than a normal pizza box and stacks better). Look carefully, and you'll see the Apple patent number listed on it. I wanted to take a photograph, but apparently Apple is very strict about people not taking photos anywhere on their campus.

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    5. Re: I claim prior art by macs4all · · Score: 2

      Fuck off fanboy.

      Ooo! Strong words from an ANONYMOUS. COWARD.

    6. Re: I claim prior art by macs4all · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet none of those are worthy of the attention of Slashdot. Why?

      Because this is being done by the biggest tech company in the world, that's why.

      Bullshit.

      Bullshit for sure. Apple isn't the biggest tech company in the world, Google is. MS used to be the biggest tech company in the world, but the malware known as Win10 is changing that.

      All depends on what your metric for "Biggest" is. Most amount of real-estate held? Most number of employees? Most cash in the bank? Most assets of all kinds? Highest market-cap? Highest stock price?

      When corporations get the size of Msft, Google or Apple, the term "biggest" gets to be kind of meaningless without further clarification.

  2. What Courage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What Courage!

  3. Re:Add another $100 billion to Apple's value. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

    compatibility with iHand is not quite yet perfected.

    (cue the 'you're holding it wrong' meme, please. danke.)

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  4. Re:Sounds like a design patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go read the patent. This isn't a design patent. It's a patent on how to reinforce or fold the edges of a paper bag to make it strong enough to have 60% or more of recycled material. Using more recycled material makes the bag weaker, so they've strengthened the corners and edges by folding down a flap of paper or gluing on a flap of paper (I don't understand how that isn't obvious). Look at the image. I've seen bags that look exactly like that, except they probably weren't 60% recycled. This is Apple about to publicly advertise that since they care so much about the environment, their bags will be more environmentally friendly than every one else's, while quietly suing everyone else behind the scenes to keep them from making 'greener' products. Look at how environmentally friendly we are by preventing companies from using recycled materials unless they pay us! All hail the innovative Apple. Good PR, better marketing, and another revenue stream!

    Look at this claim:

    [0058] It will be apparent to one of ordinary skill in the art that many modifications and variations are possible in view of the above teachings, and that by applying knowledge within the skill of the art, one may readily modify and/or adapt for various applications such specific embodiments, without undue experimentation, without departing from the general concept of the present invention. For example, in some embodiments, instead of or in addition to reinforcement inserts to strengthen the bag container having high (e.g., greater than 50%, 60%, greater than 60%) post-consumer-content, a matte plastic film may be applied to bag container 200, the matte plastic film having a higher resistance to tearing than the other material of bag container 200. Such film could be applied to one or both of the entirety of the interior surface or exterior surface of bag container 200, or to discrete areas thereof (e.g., the areas corresponding to those reinforced by reinforcement inserts as described in above embodiments).

    The patent.

  5. Re:Amazing example of Slashdot wasted time by willoughby · · Score: 2

    Hard to imagine so many people with so little to do to make the world a better place, for just themselves or everyone, that they need to sit around carefully composing the language for a patent of a paper bag.

  6. Re:Add another $100 billion to Apple's value. by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Don't be ridiculous...

    Apple doesn't pay taxes

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  7. Re:Good for them by rworne · · Score: 2

    Apple is going to eventually end up selling paper bags. And Microsoft is going to do the printing.

    Now Samsung will quickly design and release SamsungBag(TM), releasing it month or so before Apple releases their reinvented iBag...

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  8. Re:Good for them by tyme · · Score: 2

    after which the SamsungBag will be recalled because it, unexpectedly and spontaneously, bursts into flames.

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  9. If you put it that way... by blindseer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything sounds absurd if worded the right way. Examples:

    Alexander Bell patents talking to a wire.

    Henry Ford builds a mechanical horse.

    Wright Brothers claim wood and fabric allow a man to float through the air.

    Americans fly Eagle to the moon.

    Saying that Apple patented a paper bag is so missing the point that it's bound to be mocked. If one actually reads the linked article (I know, this is Slashdot) then it becomes clear how the title is almost certainly intended to be misleading.

    Is it so hard to come up with something that wouldn't be so laughable? How about, "Apple Patents New Ideas on Humble Paper Bag"?

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    1. Re:If you put it that way... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Basically they've patented reinforcing a paper bag because bleaching it makes the paper flimsy. Of course the rest of the world was quite happy with brown paper bags!

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  10. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Meanwhile, suckers will queue for days to pay $200 for a paper bag.

  11. A way of reinforcing it and a retracting handle by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    More specifically, they *applied* to patent a particular way of reinforcing a paper bag made of white recycled paper, and a particular type of self-retracting handle that falls down into the bag, made of twisted paper.

    Bleached recycled paper tends to be weak, so that's why reinforcement would be good.

    I don't know whether the patent will ever issue. If it does, it will probably be narrowed in scope first. The usual process is that the applicant writes the initial application to be as broad as they think they might get away with, then it's made more specific as needed to actually get approved.

    1. Re:A way of reinforcing it and a retracting handle by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Now don't go bringing reality into this perfect troll bait article! Don't you understand that merely using the words "apple" and "patent" in a Slashdot post is worth 75+ comments on rounded corners alone?

      The new owners have to keep the numbers up somehow!

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  12. Re:Amazing example of Slashdot wasted time by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Hard to imagine so many people with so little to do to make the world a better place" ... And patenting an "environmentally friendly" paper bag does exactly what? Apple (tm) - making it harder for others to look after the planet ?

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  13. Re:What the actual fuck by afgam28 · · Score: 2

    You can patent the design of a paper bag though. This doesn't stop people making paper bags in general, but it does stop others from using the exact same design.

    This is called a "design patent". Utility patents, which are probably what you're thinking of, are the ones that require novelty and non-obviousness.

    The submitter and/or editor are either ignorant of this or being intentionally misleading.

  14. Re:Sounds like a design patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Go read the patent. This isn't a design patent. It's a patent on how to reinforce or fold the edges of a paper bag to make it strong enough to have 60% or more of recycled material. Using more recycled material makes the bag weaker, so they've strengthened the corners and edges by folding down a flap of paper or gluing on a flap of paper (I don't understand how that isn't obvious). Look at the image. I've seen bags that look exactly like that, except they probably weren't 60% recycled. This is Apple about to publicly advertise that since they care so much about the environment, their bags will be more environmentally friendly than every one else's, while quietly suing everyone else behind the scenes to keep them from making 'greener' products. Look at how environmentally friendly we are by preventing companies from using recycled materials unless they pay us! All hail the innovative Apple. Good PR, better marketing, and another revenue stream!

    Look at this claim:

    [0058] It will be apparent to one of ordinary skill in the art that many modifications and variations are possible in view of the above teachings, and that by applying knowledge within the skill of the art, one may readily modify and/or adapt for various applications such specific embodiments, without undue experimentation, without departing from the general concept of the present invention. For example, in some embodiments, instead of or in addition to reinforcement inserts to strengthen the bag container having high (e.g., greater than 50%, 60%, greater than 60%) post-consumer-content, a matte plastic film may be applied to bag container 200, the matte plastic film having a higher resistance to tearing than the other material of bag container 200. Such film could be applied to one or both of the entirety of the interior surface or exterior surface of bag container 200, or to discrete areas thereof (e.g., the areas corresponding to those reinforced by reinforcement inserts as described in above embodiments).

    The patent.

    The part in bold that you are mentioning will be ignored (and subsequently removed) by any sane examiner in the later stages of the process. Such parts of the /description/ commonly try to enlarge the scope of protection beyond that of the claimed subject-matter and hence are not allowed due to lack of clarity (of scope). What matters are the claims. If the description is broader than the claims, it either becomes a clarity problem and will be removed, or the claims have to be amended to bring claims and description in unison, before the patent is granted. Ideally. In the USPTO, vague formulations like 'spirit of the invention' is often use to cover more than it should. This way there is a grey area what is and what is not in the 'spirit' of the invention, in case someone opposes the patent or comes up with derived (but different) products which do not fall in the scope of the claims. Since lately 'spirit of the invention' is searched for directly they came up with the 'general concept' formulation, which is less vague, but still not desired. Btw, it's not a patent yet.