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With 3D Printer Gun Files, National Security Interest Trumps Free Speech, Court Rules (arstechnica.com)

A federal appeals court ruled this week against Defense Distributed, the Texas organization that promotes 3D-printed guns, in a lawsuit that it brought last year against the State Department. In a 2-1 decision, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals was not persuaded that Defense Distributed's right to free speech under the First Amendment outweighs national security concerns. From an ArsTechnica report: The majority concluded: 'Ordinarily, of course, the protection of constitutional rights would be the highest public interest at issue in a case. That is not necessarily true here, however, because the State Department has asserted a very strong public interest in national defense and national security. Indeed, the State Department's stated interest in preventing foreign nationals -- including all manner of enemies of this country -- from obtaining technical data on how to produce weapons and weapon parts is not merely tangentially related to national defense and national security; it lies squarely within that interest.'

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  1. Asinine. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They act as if these are nuclear or biological weapons. There is no compelling interest in keeping plans for primitive 3D printed guns away from anyway, and there is no possible argument that there is.

    1. Re:Asinine. by DaHat · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the 90's the feds viewed the PGP source code as a possible violation of the Arms Export Control Act as the feds had long viewed encryption tech as a munition, so this is nothing new. There is an easy solution though: https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    2. Re:Asinine. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They act as if these are nuclear or biological weapons. There is no compelling interest in keeping plans for primitive 3D printed guns away from anyway, and there is no possible argument that there is.

      Exactly. One can't help think there is a hidden agenda here of allowing the government better control of DOMESTIC gun possession. I certainly hope the Supreme Court reviews this case. This represents a huge blow for First Amendment rights, and seems at odds with previous rulings pertaining to source code of encryption software being ruled free speech despite ITAR regulations controlling the export of cryptography.

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    3. Re:Asinine. by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Predicted response: "Won't someone think of the children! Guns kill people, encryption doesn't!"

      Alas when it comes to proponents of gun control, you don't often encounter honest or thoughtful people. They have a single goal in mind and ignore all of the existing regulation on the books today.

    4. Re:Asinine. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      How about keeping them out of the hands of convicted felons who lost the right to have a firearm? Will the weak controls in place, anything is an improvement.

      With the weak controls in place and millions of black market guns out there, restricting 3D gun models will have *no* effect. The felon that wants a gun will just buy one from an acquaintance. The only risk he faces is being found in possession of one, and a 3D printed gun carries the same risk.

    5. Re:Asinine. by SumDog · · Score: 2

      People were printing crypto algos on t-shirts back in the 1990s to fight ITAR classifying crypto as a weapon.

      I didn't know about this. So Defence Distributed just needs to publish books with all 3d schematics .. maybe also a ton of individually scaleable QR codes that represent the actual files.

    6. Re:Asinine. by SumDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am against current US gun policy and think the 2nd amendment is insane.

      That being said, I'm against this ruling. Source code and schematics are free speech. This ruling makes no sense from a legal perspective.

      I do think America should register guns, permits should be issued and databases should be searchable and indexable. Currently the only thing the absence of gun registration in the US does is make it more difficult to track crime.

      Guns aren't speech. If you like guns, fine. That's great. Go buy a gun, and register the ballistics and keep them locked up and take them out for sport. It's worked in Australia for two decades. Their gun laws post-Hobart shootings have greatly reduced the number of suicides.

    7. Re:Asinine. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      I always find it amusing when some of the biggest opponents of second amendment rights complain about the government infringing on their fourth amendment rights. I don't know what moral ground they claim to stand on, but even if they had one, what the fuck are they going to do about it.

      3D printers make gun control legislation pointless. Unless you also ban 3D printers, you can't stop anyone from getting a gun. Rather than trying to fight the inevitable we should work to create a society where no one has cause or need to harm another with a gun or any other weapon. Of course the people who tend to be in favor of gun ownership are usually the same that think any government policies towards such a goal are evil.

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    8. Re:Asinine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Their gun laws post-Hobart shootings have greatly reduced the number of suicides.

      I'm not sure what's more odd or ridiculous about your post:

      That you think Australia's gun control laws were a significant factor in lowering its suicide rate, or that you think most people care about suicide in the first place.

    9. Re: Asinine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So right about source code and so wrong about everything else. The only thing a gun database accomplishes is a ready made list of who to go after if things get bad. Make it searchable and you have a ready made list of who owns expensive firearms to rob, and of course who DOESN'T own firearms because they're even better to rob.

      As to Australia, that's a tragedy and loss of freedom of epic proportions and I'm saddened to even think about what happened there with mass gun confiscation and destruction, though at least it was recorded and can be used as a real life bad example of what we should never allow to happen here.

      Since the suicide rates and other violence rates go nowhwere in other places where guns are banned, but simply take other forms, there might be other reasons for your statistic. Do they have good medical and mental health programs the US lacks? Do they hand out SSRI drugs like candy like we do here? Little under reported thing: US mass shooters who are not foreign terrorists have something in common. They are almost always on or were recently on anti depressants. But nobody talks about that because that would mean fixing the actual problem.

      Interesting thing to consider: one reason we don't have national healthcare and lack meaningful social programs is because gun owners like me are often forced to vote for conservative crazies to stop the likes of you, even when we otherwise disagree with them. The country might be much better off if you hadn't made political enemies like that.

      I never understand my fellow liberals' opposition to guns since guns are used against them more often than against conservatives. You'd think they'd follow the example of some of the survivors of the Pulse shooting and learn to shoot. Of course that story doesn't get out much as it doesn't fit the official narrative. I learned of this because I saw one news report on that topic once on a regional station and then silence. I was shocked I even saw the one report, but then again the media tried to make it about guns and anything except international terrorism.

      The Second Amendment is a brilliant idea. Some of the founders opposed having a Bill of Rights. They thought it demeaning, or that listing some rights would mean others they hadn't listed would be easily infringed. They were right about that, but wrong headed people like you would have disarmed and weakened our society long ago were it not for that. Go read the Bill of Rights. It's really a list of prohibitions against the things the British did to oppress the Colonists. Take note of what the first two are because that's how you run an oppressive society. So are your ideas.

    10. Re:Asinine. by Atryn · · Score: 2

      You are a disingenuous lying scumbag if you think the end goal of most progressive/liberal/democrats wouldn't be a ban on purchase or possession of all semi-automatic weapons.

      Now now, to be fair, he'd only be a disingenuous lying scumbag if he thought they WOULD take the guns and was SAYING they wouldn't in an attempt to mislead you. If he does actually think "...the end goal... wouldn't be a ban..." then you should claim he is mistaken... or to use your vernacular "a pathetic ignorant scumbag" perhaps.

      Personally, I agree with him. I'm a liberal and so are most of my friends. And none of us want to outright ban/collect legally owned guns.

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    11. Re:Asinine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do think America should register guns, permits should be issued and databases should be searchable and indexable. Currently the only thing the absence of gun registration in the US does is make it more difficult to track crime.

      Yes, let's just ignore that Australia used their registration database to confiscate their firearms.

      Fuck your mother.

    12. Re:Asinine. by srmalloy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I say, make guns like driving, but on a "shall issue" permit requiring a reasonable proficiency test.

      And you can purchase any car that you can afford, transport it anywhere in public without needing a license unless you use another car to transport it (realistically, pulling an F1 race car on a trailer by hand is ludicrous, but the law doesn't restrict it), and you can drive that car on private property without needing a license, insurance, registration of the vehicle, or any of the safety requirements for a car operated on public streets. Apply the same 'restrictions' to firearms, and watch the gun-control lobby fill the cardio wards of the nation's hospitals, because that gives up 90% of what they've stolen away from gun owners over the years.

    13. Re:Asinine. by superwiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is worse than putting it under Arms Export Control Act. This opens door for legislatures to criminalize possession of the files (a la possession of child porn). Hopefully SCOTUS is smarter than this.

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    14. Re:Asinine. by superwiz · · Score: 3

      Nobody has come for your guns. You are literally Chicken Little.

      Well, actually, no, he is not. If this survives a SCOTUS challenge, it opens the door for legislatures to criminalizing possession of blueprints (of guns) without a license.

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    15. Re:Asinine. by superwiz · · Score: 2

      That's because they spent on all the political capital they had on passing Obamacare. They blew their wad on that, so to speak. If Brown didn't elected in MA, who knows, what else they would have done?

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    16. Re:Asinine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you need to be able to hit a target? Some people just need to be able to carry a derringer to kill a rapist that is directly on top of them.

    17. Re:Asinine. by felrom · · Score: 4, Informative

      You may not, but the problem is that too many of the politicians you vote for do. HRC is on record many times this campaign saying she wants to see the "Australian model" implemented in the US. That means forced confiscation of all personally owned firearms under the guise of "buybacks." The buybacks are mandatory, and you go to prison is you don't comply.

      Here's a list of politicians talking about confiscating guns, just from a short period in 2013:

      Hawaii legislature proposes gun confiscation
      http://www.hawaiireporter.com/...

      New York Assemblyman asks colleague not to mention that original proposed SAFE Act included confiscation
      http://www.breitbart.com/Breit...

      Missouri Democrats introduce legislation to confiscate guns
      http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-...

      VA has veterans who cannot manage their own financial affairs declared prohibited persons unable to own firearms
      http://www.humanevents.com/201...

      NJ State Senator "We needed a bill that was going to confiscate confiscate confiscate."
      http://www.politickernj.com/ba...

      Oregon Legislator calls fears of gun confiscation a "paranoid delusion" and then states he is in favor of gun confiscation
      http://www.examiner.com/articl...

      Governor Cuomo says, "confiscation could be an option."
      http://www.nationalreview.com/...

      Feinstein suggests "compulsory buyback."
      http://washingtonexaminer.com/...

      CA assembly proposes confiscating 166,000 legally registered guns.
      http://www.mercurynews.com/bre...

      And the classic from 1995:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Do you notice any common political party among the people calling for confiscation?

    18. Re:Asinine. by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2

      While citizens do not have access to the same class of weaponry as the state, we out number them.

      There are 300,000,000 gun in private hands.
      Compared to the whole of the US military and civilian law enforcement which comes to just under 3,000,000.

      If 3% of the adult population stands up and says we will not give up our guns then we outnumber the government almost 3 to 1.

      Thought I think they would have an issue collecting the guns from the 25,000,000 people in Texas.

      Before someone says "They will just bring in the UN troops" Well, that will add about 150,000 people. Not really enough to make a dent.

    19. Re:Asinine. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

      Instant background check or suddenly it's a 6 month wait for the check.

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    20. Re:Asinine. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      It was The Progressive, in 1979, and it was thermonuclear bombs, not atomic. (there is no secret to be kept, quoted in 1945. Everyone already know how to build a Uranium bomb, so much so that it wasn't worth testing.) And it wasn't a complete guide, but more of a "these are the mountainous engineering challenges you need to solve". Since communist spies had already lifted far better materials, I don't think the magazine actually helped anyone except curious American nerds.

      Full issue in PDF available here. And it is fascinating, if you are into that sort of thing.

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    21. Re:Asinine. by lgw · · Score: 2

      nobody is trying to take away your guns

      Quite a few Democratic politicians have firmly stated that they want to confiscate guns, including Hillary (look upthread for citations). They're pretty open that they just want common sense gun confiscation laws, often mentioning how wonderful that was in Australia.

      Totalitarians realize the necessity of disarming the populace before they can fully impose their will on the people.

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    22. Re:Asinine. by lgw · · Score: 2

      So you move the goalpost from "no one will try" to "no one has tried", but that's still quite wrong. Hawaii, New York, Missouri, Virginia, New Jersey, Oregon, and of course California all proposed gun confiscation legislature, as well as Feinstein pushing it at the federal level, and that just in 2013.

      Politicians try all the time.

      Or did you mean "no one has sent troops to do it"? Or did you mean "I'm just making up bullshit because I'm a troll"? Cause I'm pretty sure it's that last one.

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    23. Re:Asinine. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean other than in California where the State can confiscate your firearms on an anonymous "tip" that you are a danger. And it can do it without warning, and does not have to return the firearms until you can prove that you are not a danger.

      Oh and they have criminalized possession of magazines that were previously legal, meaning if you did not turn them in to the police on-time, then you run the risk of losing all your firearms - permanently (convicted of a gun violation = automatic, lifetime loss of firearm privileges in CA).

      But other than that, yeah - no one's coming for your guns...

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    24. Re:Asinine. by Gussington · · Score: 2

      Alas when it comes to the subject of guns, you don't often encounter honest or thoughtful people. They all have a single goal in mind and ignore all of the existing regulation on the books today.

      FTFY.

    25. Re:Asinine. by Atryn · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately there is no politician that agrees with all of my positions on all issues. But the ones I have the most disagreements with are on the Right.

      I clicked on a bunch of your links (the youtube has suffered a takedown, btw) and almost all of those are re: assault weapons and high capacity weapons/magazines. I'm not surprised people get more upset about those when they really are overkill for any hunter worth their salt (and yes, I've hunted with bows and arrows as well as rifles... never saw the need for semi-automatics).

      I tend to favor letting people own them, but I also favor registering them and having robust training and licensing. The NRA seems to want unlimited rights with no regulations, precautions or monitoring, apparently.

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    26. Re:Asinine. by blindseer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I clicked on a bunch of your links (the youtube has suffered a takedown, btw) and almost all of those are re: assault weapons and high capacity weapons/magazines. I'm not surprised people get more upset about those when they really are overkill for any hunter worth their salt (and yes, I've hunted with bows and arrows as well as rifles... never saw the need for semi-automatics).

      If you think the Second Amendment is about hunting ducks and deer then you've missed the whole point.

      I tend to favor letting people own them, but I also favor registering them and having robust training and licensing. The NRA seems to want unlimited rights with no regulations, precautions or monitoring, apparently.

      We just saw a court rule that a computer file can be banned because it describes how to build a single shot pistol. I'd think that might wake you up that perhaps the NRA isn't just paranoid here. They didn't rule that the files could only be available domestically, or just to people licensed and trained in firearm use, or both. They ruled the files themselves were banned from distribution.

      This is quite simply a weapons ban, and the weapon is a computer file. Words are weapons here, according to them. They seem to fear foreign nationals might be able to build these single shot weapons to... do what exactly? Invade the USA? They are already smuggling in machine guns so that makes no sense. Especially when the machine guns that they smuggle into the USA were sold to them by the US government.

      The governemnt don't want to disarm these foreign nationals, they are already arming them. They don't want me and you armed is all. If it wasn't about disarming Americans then they'd have said the files need to be sent to people with a US address, proper training, and registration. They didn't say that, they said the files cannot be shared.

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    27. Re:Asinine. by blindseer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How far you willing to carry that? Some old lady had her double barrel shotgun stolen by a couple thugs, they cut it down to fit under a coat, kill a man, rape his girlfriend, and then burn down the house in the hope to hide the crime. Now you have granny on death row for murder, rape, arson, and an unregistered short barreled shotgun. Good job there, Tex. That will teach the thugs that got away. See granny didn't get their names. Can't prove she didn't sell it to them. So what if she filed a police report of the theft, that's another crime of filing a false report.

      Another outcome. No one sells a gun any more. They sell scrap metal pieces, 3D printers, and a small computer loaded with the files to make a gun. The guns won't have serial numbers because someone along the line left out that little piece of code to print the number on the barrel. OOPSIE! Now instead of a couple dozen firearm manufacturers which are watched over like hawks there are now millions of people making their own guns in spare bedrooms, garages, and basements. Perhaps a few of them just "forgot" that they aren't supposed to sell these firearms without a serial number and registering the sale with the local sheriff.

      The first scenario is not likely to every happen because that means so many things have gone wrong with our legal system. We've been looking at the gun instead of the criminal. The second scenario is nearly inevitable. People like the idea of do it yourself. It's become a kind of lifestyle of people building their own furniture, growing their own food, making their own clothes. It's a small leap from that to making their own firearms, especially if that same device that prints the firearm can print things like faucets, teacups, and kitchen utensils

      Have you learned nothing from the "war on some drugs", or the "war on poverty", or the "war on bootleggers". All of them failed. If you declare a war on the gun trade then it will fail just like the wars on everything else. We didn't get less from these wars, we got more.

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    28. Re:Asinine. by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Banning books...?

      The US government has grown ever more authoritarian and has violated ever more Constitutional limits and civil rights over the last century and has grown ever bolder. Many here have even cheered on government violations of civil rights and limits to government power when it fits their political/ideological agendas. I've warned against this sort of thing for years and was flamed and ignored because for far too many people including many here, the ends justify the means.

      With all the support they've received from the public for violating other civil rights and limits to their power for political/ideological goals, are you really shocked or surprised they would violate the 1st Amendment?

      If you allow them the power to "reinterpret" one thing, they can and will use the same powers, methods, and tactics to reinterpret anything else they want.

      As far as Defense Distributed's 3D printer files, just strip the files of anything tying them to anyone and upload them to torrent sites across the internet. Let them waste time & resources on playing 'whack-a-mole'.

      Strat

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    29. Re:Asinine. by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the US's slide down the slippery slope picking up speed.

      Good god I never thought the militias would sound saner than the government....

    30. Re: Asinine. by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      America is on a road to totalitarian bullshit after dismantling public education to stop people from questioning the almighty and all-knowing Government Big Brother....

    31. Re:Asinine. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Nobody has tried to take away your guns. Stop.

      It doesn't matter what they have tried to do in the past. It's a fact that many politicians have stated that they would like to confiscate guns. That they haven't done it yet only means that they think it would be political suicide at this point. I'm surprised you haven't made this tiny logical step.

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    32. Re: Asinine. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      no, a gun is not designed "to kill things" its designed to "discharge a projectile" The person holding it decides whether it kills or not. for a technological group you should know this

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    33. Re:Asinine. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      look at the NY safe act. democrat cuomo did in fact take our guns (well the ones who turned them in and didnt keep them illegally)

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    34. Re:Asinine. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      you can keep saying it, but you will keep being wrong. links above show you wrong, the NYS safe act shows you wrong. NYC and chicago handgun bans show you wrong.

      long story short, you wrong!

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    35. Re: Asinine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Take note that two things did not exist when that document was written: armed police, and a standing army. The reason why we have the Second Amendment was that the Founders were violently opposed to both of those things. So if you're an adherent of the 2nd Amendment, you have a lot of reconciling to do. Are you also in favor of disbanding the Army and police? Because right now we have a ton of heavily armed jackoffs running around the country shooting whoever they want. And that's that other thing, the primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment was recognized as being a complete failure before the Founders were dead, with the establishment of a regular Army and Navy, specifically because of the many failures of the militia troops to either show up or do anything if they did show up. It turns out that having a gun and knowing how to hold it aren't actually sufficient training to be able to fight effectively. How's the 'fidelity to the Constitution' thing holding up? Not so good, seemingly.

    36. Re: Asinine. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Your understanding of physics is astonishingly bad.

      The only reason a bullet needs to go that fast is because the mass is so small. F = m * a

      Nobody needs to propel a bat at 500 mph, and in fact it would probably break apart if you did. Who's a fucking moron again?

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    37. Re:Asinine. by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Aside from the 1st amendment rights on this....

      I'm curious how this comes into play at all.

      It is NOT against the law to manufacture your own guns. There is even a market out there that helps you do this for conventional rifles and pistols, where they sell you the lower (the only part of a gun officially recognized as a gun by the US Feds) that is 80% complete.

      They will also sell you a jig, that you can used with a drill press to finish the last 20% of the lower, and then, you have a perfectly legal, lower with NO serial number, no record of sale and you can buy all the parts you want to make it into a working gun.

      This is 100% legal...you just cannot resell it.

      Why would selling code to "print" a gun be any different than this?

      I would think this precedent would be a valuable argument on this situation too.

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    38. Re:Asinine. by 31415926535897 · · Score: 2

      Actually, you probably can sell legally sell it, but right now it's worth the risk. It all has to do with intention and protocol, but since that's always open to interpretation, it's probably not worth doing.

      As long as you create a firearm with the intention of owning and not selling it, then you are not violating the law. That means that one day you might decide that you should sell that firearm. As long as you follow all the firearm transfer laws properly, then nowhere along the way have you broken any laws.

      The reason it's risky is that a prosecutor would argue that you built the firearm with intention to sell it, and it's basically their word against yours. Who do you think the judge and jury will listen to? The respected prosecutor or the vigilante firearm builder?

    39. Re:Asinine. by blindseer · · Score: 2

      If you think the Second Amendment is only to ensure the public is sufficiently armed to take down the government,

      That is one reason. The Second Amendment is also there to make sure people can protect themselves from criminals, animals, zombies, or whatever. The purpose is so the government cannot leave people defenseless from whatever potential harm may come their way. That harm includes government action but is by no means limited to it.

      The case that is the subject of TFA is far far far from over.

      Whether that is true or not is, IMHO, irrelevant. We just had 2 out of 3 judges rule that the 1st and 2nd Amendments to our Bill of Rights can be suspended because... TERRORISTS!

      How many times can we allow this to happen before you wake up and see the tyranny?

      I do want an open and unrestricted flow of weapons and ammunition because I know that I have more to fear from my government than any criminal. We should be keeping track of the criminals, not the weapons. If we put the criminals away when we catch them then things like background checks and registration is pointless. But there are those in government don't want to govern, they want to rule. It's real hard to rule if the people can defend themselves against tyranny.

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  2. Publish a f-ing book already. by DaHat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is nothing new, Philip Zimmermann was receiving similar threats during the first crypto-war so published the source code of PGP in a book (https://www.amazon.com/PGP-Internals-Philip-R-Zimmermann/dp/0262240394/) and more or less dared the feds to ban a book.

    He won.

    (this is the short version).

  3. Have they never heard of Phil Zimmerman? by Nutria · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Print the code for the lower receiver in a book.

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    1. Re:Have they never heard of Phil Zimmerman? by DaHat · · Score: 2

      It is an unfortunate thing that basically no one involved in the second crypto-war has any memory or even knowledge of the first.

  4. Re:HFS, what is happening with our country? by DaHat · · Score: 2

    It has been proven time and again that ne'er do wells *DO* obtain firearms illegally.

    "That's only because the gun control laws in neighboring states are too lax" - Typical response from control proponent regarding Chicago, New York, DC, etc.

  5. "Activist" judges? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those people who are always worrying about "activist" judges should look at this case.

    It appears to me that the court has used a completely made-up "national security exception" to override a clear constitutional right.

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    1. Re:"Activist" judges? by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

      TWO constitutional rights. The first and second amendments are both violated by this ruling.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:"Activist" judges? by jcr · · Score: 2

      is this constitution thing like a bible that must be obeyed

      It is the entirety of the legal basis of the federal government's existence. When the government violates it, the government acts illegally.

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  6. Google to get several versions in seconds... by sugarmatic · · Score: 2

    These files are in the open. The are publicly available to anyone who wants to look. I found several in minutes.

    This ITAR issue is prior restraint...trying to put the genie back into the bottle. It reminds me of the silliness in trying to get people with security clearances to not read the Snowden files.

    It is public record. Subjecting it to ITAR at this point simply makes it glaringly clear just how incompatible ITAR is with Constitutional principles.

  7. Re:Unconstitutional by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

    Also, we are no longer in danger of the government suppressing free speech, so the 1st amendment no longer has justification either.

  8. The what Department? by LMariachi · · Score: 4, Informative

    the State Department has asserted a very strong public interest in national defense and national security

    Here I was thinking that national defense was the purview of a different department... The name escapes me at the moment.

  9. Re:Imbalance by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2
    That's NOT the quote most people consider the threat (though it's also perhaps in poor taste). The more concerning quote was: "Hillary wants to abolish --- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

    Trump later downplayed this in various ways, but what it SOUNDS like is a suggestion that if Hillary packs courts with judges that deny rights, that the " Second Amendment people" (gun advocates?) could do something that others couldn't... Which could be interpreted as a call for assassination.

    Obviously Trump didn't explicitly say that. But you have to admit that this quote sounds pretty bad the way it came out.

  10. Complying doesn't prevent distribution within US by bigpat · · Score: 2

    Yes it is ridiculous, but it is also trivial to comply and legally make those plans available to 300 million Americans. Just label the files with the appropriate export control warnings and have down-loaders agree to the restrictions via the type of click through legal agreement that many software downloads have.

    We went through this with encryption software and even web browsers that supported https... ITAR could have broken the Internet except people figured out how to comply and in their compliance show how silly the regulations actually were. The criminal act is in actually sending the files to a foreigner. So you just need to have someone state they are a US citizen and they agree not to export the files to a non-US citizen. Keep a log of downloads in case any downloader chooses to commit fraud and makes an unauthorized download.

    Just comply with the bare requirements and then fight on the stronger grounds that the legal restrictions don't actually de facto prevent export, but that further restrictions on publication and distribution would indeed prevent the lawful distribution of the files to American citizens.