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Jawbone Fails To Pay Key Business Partners and Has Almost No Inventory In Stock: Sources (businessinsider.com)

BarbaraHudson writes: The battle between Fitbit and Jawbone may be coming to an end. Business Insider is reporting that wearable fitness maker Jawbone is facing some serious financial problems as the company has almost no inventory in stock and is running out of options to generate revenue. If you click on any of the products for sale on their site, it will say that they're all sold out. Business Insider reports: "Jawbone's Facebook page is littered with complaints from customers saying they have been unable to get in touch with a customer service representative to help with defective products. The Jawbone Facebook account has been responding to these issues, blaming a backup of complaints for the delays. A Jawbone spokesperson said the complaints were because of Jawbone's customer service restructuring. Another person close to Jawbone told Business Insider that there is almost no inventory left and the company is running out of options to generate revenue. The speculation among some Jawbone employees now is that the company might sell to a private equity firm if it can't raise more money, the person close to the company said. Jawbone also declined to explain why its inventory has sold out. A spokesperson said, 'they have sold through what they have to sell.' The company said it was not because it couldn't pay vendors though. It would not provide any estimate on when products would be available for sale on its site again, but did say it planned to make more products." The report says that, according to an internal NexRep email, the company cut ties with the customer service agency NexRep earlier this month after Jawbone failed to make payments. "The email, written to NexRep employees by a NexRep executive, claims that Jawbone is 'struggling financially' and that it couldn't pay NexRep for its services," reports Business Insider. "It also says Jawbone is 'fighting hard' to raise more funding. 'Jawbone is not able to pay us for past services, and their ability to pay us in the future is uncertain at this point,' the NexRep email reads." This resulted in "many staffers being laid off."

67 comments

  1. " a backup of complaints "?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well at least they have a good IT department... Maybe you meant a "backlog"?

    1. Re:" a backup of complaints "?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The term can be used in that sense, albeit more usually in adjective form rather than noun form. As in "I'm feeling a bit backed up, I think I need more fibre in my diet."

    2. Re:" a backup of complaints "?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually more of a log, really. Unless it's a soft-serve, I get those when my IBS flares up.

    3. Re:" a backup of complaints "?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See what happens when you outsource to non-native speakers?

  2. Unusual situation by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usually, we have a company that makes garbage no one wants, so when they liquidate they have a ton of stock. This is unfortunate... and stupid, because it seems like they should have taken SOME KIND of action before they had nothing to sell.

    I wonder exactly how terrible they are when they have a product with a solid demand, yet no one will invest in them. There has to be embezzlement.

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    1. Re:Unusual situation by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Jawbone is more known for high quality Bluetooth ear pieces. When they were popular in the mid 00's. However that isn't a name I would think to look at for fitness monitors. I guess they realized that they weren't going to win early on so never built up the stock to try to flood the market. Especially Jawbone like Apple tries to sell their product at a premium, and flooding the market will lose out their name status.

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    2. Re:Unusual situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      they have a product with a solid demand,

      No they didn't. FitBit is the dominate player in the "fitness" band market.

      Jawbone also had some quality issues.

      Aside from the market for the health insurance big brother monitoring, this fitness band market is just a fad and is starting to die off. Folks realized that spending hundreds of bucks on a electronic gizmo won't shed those pounds off. And the fact that a $20 Casio watch can do everything that a FitBit can for the user - it just doesn't log the info for insurance companies to monitor you.

      Now, I'll bask in my self-righteousness for not jumping on that IPO and enjoy my schadenfreude looking at the FIT stock price.

    3. Re: Unusual situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High quality? Jawbone is known for being the first big Bluetooth ear manufacturer. They aren't known for anything beyond that, and they won't be missed, as their stuff is overpriced garbage now that there's decent competition.

    4. Re:Unusual situation by pegdhcp · · Score: 3, Informative

      I made one mistake, and bought one of their first generation trackers. That device was difficult to use and software was terrible in UX department. I dropped it to garbage can, after a while, due to small added value to my life versus lots of time and effort invested in usage. Then I have repeated mistake, this counts as stupidity, and bought one of later generation devices. That was working better, but difficult to use, software was better but with some inexplicable tendencies etc. So it was a mixed performance product. Later on device started to generate obviously incorrect data, which turned out to be a software problem, that can only be solved by erasing 1+ years worth data from their online only database. The clip on the device, which was problematic to begin with has broken, with no feasible customer service option available etc. So it is a very nicely designed piece of garbage.

    5. Re:Unusual situation by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Nobody is going to invest in a company that has fallen from a $3 billion evaluation to a $1.5 billion evaluation, and already has sucked up almost a billion from investors with nothing to show for it except requests for more funding, and no new products for over a year. That $1.5 billion evaluation is obviously going to fall further now that the sh*t has hit the fan, resulting in Jawbone being worth less than what the investors have already put into it.

      Sayonara. Jawbone got tempted by the fitness market, but it wasn't a good fit.

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    6. Re: Unusual situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the same way regarding Garmin devices

    7. Re: Unusual situation by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      "Jawbone is known for being the first big Bluetooth ear manufacturer."

      Ignoring Jabra, this is true. Or, actually, it is false.

      And I did indeed own an original Jabra, several since they were terribly short-lived. And Jawbones, Samsungs, Plantronics, Motorolas, blah blah blah. I was a Bluetooth junky from the very, very beginning. Jabra was first and big. Jawbone came to the party in mid-orgy, had great sets, but got distracted.

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  3. It is a possibility by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That they were affiliated with Hanjin Shipping, which went bankrupt a week ago and as far as I know their ships are still stuck off of the Pacific coast. If they didn't keep a large inventory missing a shipment could have just done them in. A line of speculation, but plausible at least.

    1. Re:It is a possibility by sinij · · Score: 2

      I could never understand why would any company risk JIT (just-in-time) on anything mission critical. At the same time everyone does it and disasters keep happening.

    2. Re:It is a possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, it saves money on warehouse space and capital tied up in inventory. Having too much stuff you can't shift is a direct hit to the company, not being able to ship to customers fast enough moves most of the risk and inconvenience to the consumers.

      Usually a company will keep shipments constantly moving at a rate good enough to cover any logistics problems with only minor complaints, if they were already having cashflow issues they may have been unable to split across a few carriers or order enough to make it cost effective.

    3. Re:It is a possibility by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They didn't have the money to carry large quantities of inventory, and also raised cash to stay afloat by selling off the reserve stock that they had been keeping for customer complaints. So they can't even replace devices under warranty any more. Bad management to the rescue^W^Wblame.

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    4. Re:It is a possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could never understand why would any company risk JIT (just-in-time) on anything mission critical. At the same time everyone does it and disasters keep happening.

      Your failure to understand, as well as the "backup" vs. "backlog" comment earlier, are just evidence that /. is still a nerdy tech site inhabited by us IT trolls in the basement.

      People with a business background have no trouble understanding it. My guess would be MBA decisions based mainly on the product life cycle. Commodities like steel are pretty basic and don't change very often. You can stockpile hundreds of tons when it's cheap and as long as you take basic storage precautions it's good as new years later when prices rise and you want to draw down your stocks. Try doing that with any consumer tech product that is evolving rapidly and you'll end up with the equivalent of a warehouse full of Zunes that you can't give away.

      Also, from what I read, it looks like this is all based on a memo by a call center out-sourcing exec that used it as an excuse to lay off a bunch of people. There is no shred of real evidence that I could see. For all I know, the guy said Jawbone failed to pay so people wouldn't key his Bentley after security escorts them to the parking lot. He's not going to come right out and say that he just gave himself a huge bonus for losing a major client. I mean, really, CEOs never lie. Right?

    5. Re:It is a possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the ever-loving fuck was Jawbone thinking, getting into FITNESS TRACKERS of all things!

      Infinite growth at all costs!!1!

    6. Re:It is a possibility by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      1. All the customers not able to get their complaints addressed, along with Jawbone saying that they're reorganizing their customer service, lends credence to them being in trouble. You don't cancel one customer service company without having another in place unless you're either stupid or broke. That's something easily independently verifiable by looking at the complaints on their Facebook page.

      2. All the products being marked as out of stock on their website, with no indication of if or when there will be new stock, and them not taking orders any more, also makes it more likely that they are in serious trouble. Again, something that you can verify by clicking on the second link in the story - that will sow you 3 fitness trackers and their prices. But when you click on the "Buy" link, they're all sold out. If they thought that new stock was coming soon, they'd have taken the orders.

      3. They said that they have no idea when they'll have new supplies. This is right in the summary. In other words, they aren't making alternate arrangements to ship from their manufacturer. Tends to indicate that they haven't paid the manufacturer and are now on a "cash basis only" from the manufacturer.

      4. They've been burning through cash.$305 million invested in 2014. $165 million earlier this year.

      5. Investors are getting antsy. Rizvi capital management reneged on their commitment to investing $250 million after having given the company an initial $50 million.

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    7. Re:It is a possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Poor customer service? I just don't believe it, not in this modern utopia of corporate responsibility!
      2. Best Buy has them in stock, maybe they're just moving away from direct retail.
      3. As reliable as "Another person close to Jawbone told Business Insider.." may be, what they say is their opinion and hearsay. Take it as fact at your volition, but don't try to tell me it's a solid fact.
      4. Burning through less cash than Uber. Why should I care if they are poorly managed? Those numbers are barely executive bonuses.
      5. Again, why should I care if investors are foolish or renege on a deal?

      I see you submitted the story and have posted quite a bit. Are you personally one of the investors getting antsy? Or maybe just poking the hornets' nest in hopes of shorting it when the price falls?

    8. Re:It is a possibility by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Uber has a lot more cash to draw down on. At the last round of funding, Jawbone and the investors settled on a total value of the company of $1.5 billion, so there's only $500 million left to issue stock against. This is not speculation, it's fact - numbers anyone can run in their heed. When valuation stood at $3.3 billion, there was much more margin ($1.8 billion in all) left to play with and issue equity against.

      Am I an investor? Ha - I don't gamble, so no. Maybe you are one of their shills, trying to keep the value from going down even further. I wonder if some of those loans they got were conditional on the value of the company. That's how banks do it even for long-established profitable businesses.

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  4. Fitness trackers not a slimming aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably for the better. According to a study in theJournal of the American Medical Association, JAMA, fitness trackers don't actually help with weight loss. People get fixated on the numbers from the trackers and stop following a recommended diet.

    1. Re:Fitness trackers not a slimming aid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably for the better. According to a study in theJournal of the American Medical Association, JAMA, fitness trackers don't actually help with weight loss. People get fixated on the numbers from the trackers and stop following a recommended diet.

      Effect of Wearable Technology Combined With a Lifestyle Intervention on Long-term Weight LossThe IDEA Randomized Clinical Trial
      link: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2553448

  5. Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fits and collapse of a business are better discussed in a business journal. This story isn't really about technology at all.

    1. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      The fits and collapse of a business are better discussed in a business journal. This story isn't really about technology at all.

      If Apple were to collapse tomorrow, would you say the same thing?

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    2. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clue train: take a look at the other stories on /.'s front page right now.

    3. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I know I would...
      But at the same time I know lots of people would be affected so i don't mind reading an article about a company I never heard about before. After all, it's the information/event that is interesting, not who the information/event is about.

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    4. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      How have you never heard of Jawbone before? They were the ones that released bluetooth headsets that cost over $100 almost a decade ago that worked better than all the other headsets.

    5. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by trawg · · Score: 2

      Many technologists think that running a business is kind of easy - like it's just a matter of having a good idea, banging out a bit of code, and then bam - you're Zuck or Gates.

      The business of technology is, I think, a very interesting part of the entire process as well. There's a few interesting comments already in this article (e.g., about supply chain financing etc) which many people won't know anything about.

      I'm sure there are many engineers out there that would love to do their own startup - you only have to look at failed Kickstarters to see that a lot of them never get off the ground and in many cases it's because they failed to understand some of the business aspects of it. Building a business around it is challenging almost no matter what you're doing.

      So I think this is an interesting topic (I've already learned a few things from the comments, which is my main reason for returning to Slashdot on a daily basis)!

    6. Re:Shouldn't this be in a business journel? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I never used bluetooth headsets.

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  6. Price point killed them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried to be the Apple of the fitness world without a cult of mindless sheeple to back them up.

  7. And so what? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And we should care why, exactly?

    Two niche gadget makers go after the same market, one wins, one fails...so what? Why are we supposed to care?

    This kind of thing happens all the time, every day. What's the Earth-shaking news here?

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  8. Not so unusual by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder exactly how terrible they are when they have a product with a solid demand, yet no one will invest in them. There has to be embezzlement.

    There doesn't have to be embezzlement. Most common when a company runs into a situation like this is that they are short on cash. The cash cycle of a consumer products company is typically something like this. I've simplified the times to make the example easy to understand:

    1) Place order for components with 30 day terms. Components received within a few days of placing order
    2) Build product between days 5-30.
    3) Pay for components on day 30.
    4) Sell product into distribution channels with 30 day terms on day 30
    5) Receive payment from customers on day 60

    So they are paying for components about 30 days before they get paid by customers in this example . That means that if they run low on cash, they don't have enough money to buy new components to build next batch of new product. What usually happens next is a viscous cycle. They push out the length of time before they pay vendors. Eventually vendors get tired of this and put them on credit hold or demand cash on delivery. This means they don't have enough cash on hand to buy new components to build new product so their incoming cash flow declines which makes it even harder for them to pay vendors. Lather rinse repeat and the company prospects decline.

    This happens all the time to companies. If there is strong demand for products and/or back orders the company might be able to get a bridge loan or investment. If product demand is weak the company is probably looking at bankruptcy.

    1. Re:Not so unusual by Cyryathorn · · Score: 1

      I think I will adopt the term "viscous cycle" and use it whenever I get in a sticky situation.

    2. Re:Not so unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are describing is "CASH FLOW" and profitable companies die from lack of cash flow all the time.

      However, in this case, Jawbone suffers from cash flow issues along with stiff competitors in a market that's not very profitable... Sorta reminds me of BlackBerry..

    3. Re:Not so unusual by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Net 30 terms are incredibly rare in big-box store sales. Typically net-60 or even net-90. And you also have to pay for promotional expenses, shelf space, marketing accommodations, etc. Those are costs up-front, prior to shipment of product.

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    4. Re:Not so unusual by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Net 30 terms are incredibly rare in big-box store sales.

      Don't get in the weeds about the dates. I just used simple numbers to keep the example simple. Relatively few industries actually pay in Net30 terms routinely.

    5. Re:Not so unusual by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      When you're playing with 2000+ stores, each of whom want 15-20 of your products, you're talking about 40,000+ units sitting on the shelf. And that is money that you spent to build the products that you won't get back for several months. A major crimp in cash flow - which causes companies to fold.

      It is the weeds that matter, when companies put on their big boy pants and step out of the startup mode. Cash flow, amortization, lead times - all end up strangling you and are much, much harder to solve than "how to raise another few million dollars". I know, I've been through both situations (established, profitable company and startup).

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    6. Re:Not so unusual by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      a viscous cycle

      So they've got a liquidity problem and a fluidity problem?

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  9. Body Media by kb7oeb · · Score: 1

    I'm still mad at them for purchasing Body Media, they used to make the body bugg fitness trackers. After the buyout they did nothing with the technology they acquired and then shuttered Body Media and the service needed for the old devices to work.

  10. Safety stock is wasteful and expensive by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    I could never understand why would any company risk JIT (just-in-time) on anything mission critical. At the same time everyone does it and disasters keep happening.

    Money. Storing extra inventory is wasteful and expensive. If the supply chain is sufficiently robust then the risk of a stock out is minimal or can be absorbed if it happens. Companies like Toyota that have JIT production systems generally work very closely with suppliers to ensure reliability and they have draconian punishments if something goes wrong. If a supplier shuts down an auto assembly line with a stock out the fines are (no exaggeration) something like $10,000 PER MINUTE the line is idle so the suppliers are typically highly motivated to not cause a stock out.

    Excess inventory is considered one of the seven deadly wastes. Defects, WIP, overproduction, waiting, motion, transportation, and overprocessing are all unnecessary expenses and companies should strive to minimize them. When you keep safety stock you have overproduced, generated excess WIP, have parts waiting for processing, and moved parts your customer doesn't actually need. All of that costs money. Now granted you have to weigh the cost of that against the cost of a stock out. Sometimes safety stock is unavoidable but it isn't something desirable.

    1. Re:Safety stock is wasteful and expensive by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If you're the customer waiting on parts, safety stock is pretty much mandatory from your point of view. If you want new tires and the store says sure, come back in 4 days when they arrive, you're going elsewhere. Same with a laptop. Same with milk and eggs and hamburger and steak. You keep having stuff out of stock, you ae sending your customers elsewhere permanently.

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  11. Technology is more than just engineering by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The fits and collapse of a business are better discussed in a business journal. This story isn't really about technology at all.

    It most certainly is a story about technology. Stuff that affects the companies that make technology is relevant to the technology itself. Slashdot is not and never has been solely about pure engineering stuff. Business, ethics, civil rights, and much more are all discussed here and always have been. Perhaps it doesn't interest you and that's fine but it does interest a lot of us who have been here a long time. It's certainly news for nerds and it's certainly stuff that matters.

  12. Premise = Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "If you click on any of the products for sale on their site, it will say that they're all sold out.."

    Except, _all_ of the articles are (still) available to order, just, not in the initially selected color.
    Now, none of this makes either the articles themselves, or indeed the websites coding (how about, default to in-stock color on page load, chaps?) any more (or less) worthwhile. But the article above sounds like entirely speculative bullshit to myself and indeed, the first (and only) thing I checked, took me literally ten seconds to disprove and find every article still in stock. IANAL either, but there is probably such a thing as being needlesly damaging to a firms reputation, this under false pretences - and if they are that desperate for new revenue sources? - hell, who'd blame them. Reaching for the lawyer's number would appear, n this case, somewhat justified, IMO. Its also why, you should probably have capable editors, but thats another story altogether.

    1. Re:Premise = Bullshit by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      took me literally ten seconds to disprove and find every article still in stock

      You are SO full of shit. No wonder you posted AC. Of 19 different model/color combinations, all but three are sold out - 1 Up2 and 2 Up3 - No Up1 whatsoever.. In other words, the 3 colors that nobody wants are still available because, well, nobody wants them. The 16 other ones are totally out of stock, and so marked.

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    2. Re:Premise = Bullshit by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Reaching for the lawyer's number would appear, n this case, somewhat justified

      Why? You say every single one is in stock, and that you checked it yourself, which is easily verifiable (and I did). Besides, they're more likely to need a lawyer to help sell the business or do a prepackaged bankruptcy.

      Its also why, you should probably have capable editors

      How about capable trolls? You certainly don't fil the bill.

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    3. Re:Premise = Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No Up1 whatsoever.."

      Yup, none, whatsoever - apart from Blue, and, eh.. Red? - lets see, that makes it 2 out of 5 on the Up1?
      You are either literally retarded, or the author of this garbage.
      Seriously, just click on the damn things - I know its difficult, this research stuff and all, but, you can do it. Maybe.

    4. Re:Premise = Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stated every _model_is still in stock.
      Which it is, admittedly, not in every color variation - of which there are a lot.
      Given you claim (above), falsely, certain models are not is stock at all, I will take your implied claim of impending bankruptcy with a pinch of mistrust, if I may?

      The difference between us being, apparently only one of us really wants to see this firm going bankrupt, for whatever reason.

    5. Re:Premise = Bullshit by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Again, bullshit. I checked yet again, and ALL Up1 stock on their web site (the link is in the article) is sold out, including the blue and the -orangey-red.

      There might still be some left elsewhere, such as Amazon. You would have known this if you had actually clicked through to read the article, because it gives Amazon as an example of where there might still be some left in the channel, but that doesn't change the fact that Jawbone's online store has NO Up1 for sale.

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    6. Re:Premise = Bullshit by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Up1 is NOT in stock. Stop lying. It's boring.

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  13. Extra assets = waste by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Greyhound used to keep full and complete busses at many of their depots, and spare parts for the major assemblies like transmissions, engines, driveshafts. They were considered unused/new items so they weren't taxed on them.

    If they did keep unused buses in cold storage that was idiotic. Beyond any property taxes they would incur all sorts of expenses from storing them including the property and buildings to hold them, people to maintain them (even unused vehicles need maintenance), opportunity cost of cash tied up in an illiquid and non-revenue generating asset, security to protect them, and much more. Buying assets for non-mission critical just-in-case situations is wasteful and usually unnecessary. Taxes on the property are actually among the smaller costs involved.

    By the way a bus would not be considered inventory on any balance sheet unless the company was in the business of selling buses. For a company like Greyhound those would be considered fixed assets and would be depreciated according to a depreciation schedule.

    Ever since "Just In Time" has been a thing specifically to avoid property taxes on inventory.

    The reasons for JIT go FAR beyond any tax consequences. In fact the taxes are usually among the smaller costs involved. To use your example Greyhound would be tying up (hypothetically) $100,000 in a bus that sits in a depot unused. They have to pay for a place to store it. They have to pay for people to protect and maintain it. They lose any interest income of investment income they could have earned on that cash. They have a depreciating asset sitting idle and not earning any revenue. The list goes on. Taxes are one more on the list but they aren't generally the biggest reason why holding extra inventory or assets is a dumb idea.

    1. Re:Extra assets = waste by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If they're doing repairs to buses there, they have enough space to store 1 whole bus. It's supposed to be there to be cannibalized for parts as needed, so it never has to be in running order or pass an inspection or be plated, so very low maintenance. Replacement parts are probably just stored on the bus or elsewhere instead of installing them.

      They get full depreciation allowance on their tax bill, same as other assets.

      It's also a smart idea to have immediate access to spare parts rather than tying up service bays and keeping buses and mechanics idle while waiting for a complete engine or transmission to be shipped.

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    2. Re:Extra assets = waste by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      For a company like Greyhound those would be considered fixed assets and would be depreciated according to a depreciation schedule.

      FYI if the assets aren't in service they wouldn't be depreciated. Only once they are put in service is depreciation started.

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  14. Re:OH MARISSA by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Marissa Mayer strikes again, lol what a tech visionary huh?

    For those struggling to make sense of the above comment

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  15. Only if customer is willing to pay for it by sjbe · · Score: 1

    If you're the customer waiting on parts, safety stock is pretty much mandatory from your point of view.

    Only if the customer is willing to pay for it. Safety stock costs money. If the customer is willing to pay the extra cost of maintaining safety stock then and only then is it reasonable to keep safety stock.

    If you want new tires and the store says sure, come back in 4 days when they arrive, you're going elsewhere

    That depends on the tires and what sort of customer you are dealing with. JIT is only applicable with items with a production+delivery lead time shorter than the time between identification of need and time of delivery. You also have to consider the economic utility of stocking the part. If you have something like tires where there are thousands of different products it would be irrational to attempt to stock them all. So you either buffer them (warehouse etc) or you build to order. If somebody comes in and wants a tire that few others buy they might have to wait a few days because it would be economically silly for your local shop to stock it.

    You keep having stuff out of stock, you ae sending your customers elsewhere permanently.

    So don't have stuff out of stock when economically sane. Nobody is arguing that it is an easy problem in every case but the goal is to have as little inventory as possible. That results in lower prices for the customer and lower costs for the seller. Designing a supply chain that cannot work without safety stock is an inefficient supply chain.

    1. Re:Only if customer is willing to pay for it by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Keeping stock on hand is part of customer service. That has both a cost and a value. It makes up part of the value of good will that's on the books. Crappy service impairs the value of that good will, forcing the business to write down a portion of it, and possibly triggering loan covenants.

      And if they know the value is impaired and don't write it down, they can have their ass sued off by investors, especially those who buy shares after it should have been written down. The SEC doesn't like companies not disclosing their true financial condition to investors.

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    2. Re:Only if customer is willing to pay for it by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      That's not what goodwill is at all. Goodwill is an asset on your books that arises from paying more for an acquisition than the valuation of that acquisition. It has nothing to do with how the public perceives a company.

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    3. Re:Only if customer is willing to pay for it by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No, your definition is too easily manipulated. If you pay 3 times what a company is worth, you don't suddenly create goodwill equal to 2/3 of all the company's value. Goodwill cannot be inflated that way to make a business worth more than it is. If the company sells off all it's assets the next day, it's not still worth 2x what was paid. Such accounting tricks will get you in trouble. You buy a business and it turns to crap the same day, you have to take a charge for impaired goodwill.

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  16. Not surprising.. by MercTech · · Score: 1

    Not surprising that Jawbone would tank after their phenomenally abysmal support of their original Jawbone Bluetooth unit. The charging terminals just didn't work after a few months. And for a unit supposedly able to communicate well you couldn't hear a call over the fan in the computer.

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