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From Bicycles To Washing Machines: Sweden To Give Tax Breaks For Repairs (mnn.com)

jenningsthecat writes: The Swedish government is putting its money where its mouth is when it comes to encouraging the repair of stuff that would otherwise be thrown away, according to both The Guardian and Fast Company. The country's Social Democrat and Green party coalition have submitted proposals to Parliament that would reduce the value-added-tax (VAT) on bicycle, clothing, and shoe repairs from 25% to 12%. Also proposed is an income tax deduction equalling half the labor cost of repairing household appliances. According to The Guardian, "the incentives are part of a shift in government focus from reducing carbon emissions produced domestically to reducing emissions tied to goods produced elsewhere." Per Bolund, Sweden's Minister for Financial Markets and Consumer Affairs, said the policy also tied in with international trends around reduced consumption and crafts, such as the "maker movement" and the sharing economy, both of which have strong followings in Sweden. The VAT cut may create more jobs for immigrants as it could spur the creation of a new home-repairs service industry. Also, from a science standpoint, the incentives could help cut the cost of carbon emissions on the planet as it should in theory reduce emissions linked to consumption. "I believe there is a shift in view in Sweden at the moment. There is an increased knowledge that we need to make our things last longer in order to reduce materials' consumption," Bolund said. The Guardian's report concludes: "The proposals will be presented in parliament as part of the government's budget proposals and if voted through in December will become law from January 1, 2017."

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  1. It's the cost of the labor, stupid by macraig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt this will be a compelling incentive if the cost of repair labor in Sweden is comparable to that in the United States. People don't repair things because (a) many are deliberately designed not to be easily reparable and (b) the labor cost of the "experts" is disproportionate to the value of having it repaired. Shaving a little bit off the sales tax of the bill is not going to offset the disproportionate cost of the alleged expertise.

    1. Re:It's the cost of the labor, stupid by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And many times the labor cost is far higher than the actual amount the "laborer" is being paid. Somebody is making that extra money, but so many times it's not the person doing the actual work.

    2. Re:It's the cost of the labor, stupid by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somebody is making that extra money, but so many times it's not the person doing the actual work.

      Go to Craigslist and hire someone direct. Or go to nextdoor.com and ask your neighbors for a recommendation. If someone does a good job, give them a good review on Yelp. Spread the word.

    3. Re:It's the cost of the labor, stupid by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is, of course, if you have the skill needed to perform the actual work

      For most repairs, no skill is needed. Just go to Youtube, type in the product you are repairing, and a short description of what the problem is, and you will get a dozen videos showing exactly how to fix it.

    4. Re:It's the cost of the labor, stupid by Pentium100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The best solution is of course to simply lower taxes and let the market and people themselves figure out where to put their money but well - can't have that, it's a regulated socialist shit-hole after-all.

      Regulated socialist shit-hole is better than unregulated US-style capitalism where private corporations are more powerful than the government and can do whatever they want. After all, the market is free, so you are free to choose any internet service provider serving your area:
      1. Cable company A - $100/month for 10mbps and 100GB data cap.
      2. Telephone company B - $100/month for 10mbps and 100GB data cap.

      You are completely free to choose from any of those options. Or maybe you have to choose one from the list of one - just like in elections in the USSR.

      I think that small companies should pay less taxes and be more free, bowever, once a company gets too large, it should be put under tight control from the (democratically elected) government, so the company serves the people and not its stockholders/CEO.
      The idea here is that a market with a lot of small companies offering similar products is quite free and self regulating. However, once one or two companies get too large, all the others would not be able to compete and it raises the bar to enter the market, therefore, the large company should be regulated more. An example would be Microsoft - a lot of people hate Windows 10, but still buy laptops with it, because it is really difficult to find a laptop without Windows (and one that works well with Linux) because of all the deals Microsoft has made with the manufacturers.

      Another example would be the cable TV STB fight between FCC and the cable companies. There is no valid reason to force subscribers to buy/lease the STB from the cable company if compatible ones are available. "Cable company wants more money" is not a valid reason.

      An example from my country would be the pricing of food after the national currency was replaced with Euro). It is cheaper to drive 200km to Poland to buy food than it is to buy it locally. The large stores blamed this on the farmers and larger VAT in my country. However, you can go to Poland and find milk from my country there cheaper (presumably the farmer does not give a discount to the foreigner). And the price difference is much bigger than the VAT difference. This results in a problem that if you buy stuff in Poland, you pay taxes to their budget and not the local one.

    5. Re:It's the cost of the labor, stupid by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      But don't kid yourself: you don't really stick to that most of the time. If you repaired and maintained your home and your car the way people used to, you wouldn't have any time for anything else.

      Well, first off, most homes and cars don't need to be "maintained... the way people used to" because of advances in both design/materials and tools for maintenance. For example, most people used to have lots of wood trim on exteriors of houses (if not complete wood siding) that needed to be repainted on a regular basis to avoid rot. Nowadays, few homes are built with materials that need that level of maintenance. Moreover, paint quality has improved significantly over the years, so a good paint job can probably last at least many years longer than they used to. The quality of cheap tools that also speed up the painting process has improved significantly too.

      Same thing with cars. Cars used to need much more frequent maintenance than today. Nowadays, many cars can run for several years with only periodic oil changes and tire rotations -- both of which are trivial to perform with just a few simple tools. (Well, except for some new cars where they make it a pain in the neck to perform oil changes without a lift.)

      So, first thing is that people don't NEED to maintain stuff the way they used to. Secondly, your statement is more than a bit of hyperbole. After all, how much time exactly do you hire people to repair your home and your car each week? Do you seriously think it's enough that "you wouldn't have any time for anything else"?

      Then you have to deal with the inefficiency of hiring people for repairs. Several problems there -- if you've ever actually owned a home (or a car, for that matter), you probably realize that the majority of maintenance people out there SUCK. Either they're incompetent or they're in a hurry and skip steps or they use cheap materials or methods that you'd never use if you actually wanted a repair to last, etc. So, it's not only the time investment in researching someone to hire, scheduling them to come over and do the repair, and paying them -- but then you need to budget in the extra time to call them back and complain and get them to come back to fix the stuff they forgot, or the time and money it takes to hire a new person a year or two later to come back and "do it right." Seriously -- even the competent contractors I know are a problem, because they tend to be busy because they do good work... which means they're always short on time and they just forget stuff. It's very rare to find someone who's actually competent AND takes pride in their work AND who will call you back quickly -- if you do find them, they are worth their weight in gold.

      And here's the thing -- you can prevent some of that latter inefficiency if you have some clue what you're talking about and have enough expertise to have some idea what to expect in terms of maintenance -- and that usually comes from doing it (or related jobs) yourself. Then you can hire someone and at least have a clue whether they seem competent enough to do the job, and you won't pay them until you've checked it over and realized the five things they messed up that will actually cause the problem to recur.

      Bottom line -- if you want to hire people to do all of your maintenance, that's fine too. But if you really want your repairs to be "done right" (particularly on a house), be prepared to spend more time selecting a good person to do the job and/or pestering the sub-par person you hired to redo it than the job probably would actually take if you did it yourself. And yes, while I'm not in these services myself, I have family members in construction and various home services... they'd tell you the same thing.

      Thus, in the long run, it's probably more time and energy efficient (not to mention efficient from a monetary standpoint) to at least learn how to do most smaller jobs yourself. The small stuff is particularly time and money inefficient for hirin

  2. Re:Who's gonna pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE"?!?!?! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sweden?!?!

    Tax cut?!?!?

    To encourage job growth?!?!

    "Progressive" heads explode!

    Until you figure out that the tax cut is not to corporations and the rich, but to regular people, and alt-right heads explodes instead.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  3. Re:Compatible with EU rules? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    I wonder if EU commission will let that happen without complaining it violates EU's crazy free market rules

    That depends on how it is implemented. If there is a requirement that the repairperson is local to Sweden, then that would violate EU rules, and can, and should be, banned. But if a Swede can drive to Finland or Denmark to have the repair done, and still get the tax break, then it should be okay.

  4. Re:Who's gonna pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE"?!?!?! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sweden?!?! Tax cut?!?!?

    Sweden has high taxes by American standards, but by many measures they are otherwise even more capitalist than America. Their post office is privatized, as is a big fraction of their educational system. It is very easy to start a business, and while regulations are strict, they are also streamlined and the bureaucracy is fast and efficient. Sweden ranks 8th out of 185 countries on the Ease of doing business index. America is only one notch higher.

  5. Good thinking by bnmm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. Re: Good thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get lost... Stop propagating the lies that everything is fine...

      https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-...

    2. Re:Good thinking by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      There is no such thing as a no-go or no-fly zone in Sweden. The police outguns any criminal by several orders of magnitude and not a single cop killer have ever escaped justice (not to mention that it was 17 years since the last police man where killed).

  6. What do you mean... by matbury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...we can't shop our way to a greener future? Consumer choice of which soon-to-be-landfill products isn't going to prevent climate change?!

  7. Re:Compatible with EU rules? by climb_no_fear · · Score: 4, Informative

    Germany has been doing this for years but in the form of a tax refund. You get all of the VAT back for things like the gardner, house cleaning or plumber but only up to 2k€ or so. Supposed to discourage undocumented work (and help Germany collect the labor income taxes).

  8. Re:Who's gonna pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE"?!?!?! by willy_me · · Score: 2

    Tax cuts benefit those who pay more taxes - the rich. A family that exists just above the poverty line is not going to get anything back when they have their washing machine repaired. But a wealthy individual would get a significant amount back - hardly fair.

    A better solution would be to increase the "environmental" tax and apply the additional tax revenue to pay for recycling and other environmental programs. Now everyone benefits equally. And by raising the price of appliances, the government would be promoting more repair and reuse of appliances.

  9. Yeah, don't worry about this by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The immigrants set lots of cars on fire all the time.

    Where I live towards the end of August more or less all the windows in the area center had been smashed and two weeks ago a car was lit on fire on "my" parking loot, someone had to set the youth center and music and dancing activity center on fire as-well as the children facility of the primary care center.

    We also have all the immigrants in Malmö who use a in debt / criminal / social low-life "guardian" as owner of their car to not pay any taxes, insurance or parking fees and tickets and then when the cars are eventually removed from the system since no-one will pay all the fines on purchase they are just scrapped and what was it more that I was thinking off ...

    Our "environmentalist" (more like "immigrationalists") "progressives" hate any personal responsibility for progression and any progression you can accomplish yourself, but they totally want society to bring it for you, with .. well.. the usual result I guess, which is close to none.

    The Social rats dictatorship party know they need the beggars, the complainers, the demands, the free-loaders, the rats, the trouble-makers, the "the situation and actions of and in my life is someone elseÂs fault"-trash people to remain in power so they are so willing to bring in more of them and let them have their way.

    Also of course Sweden is a country where vehicles are upgraded with new ones ran on bio gas or ethanol and so on because we all know that's environment friendly to produce as is replacing the vehicle fleet.

    It's just a joke. But supposedly it's a good joke and if you're not in then you're a racist fascist anti-democrat.
    Oh, and our local municipal home owner (which own lots of homes in this city) has figured out that having a working income will be a demand to get 75% of the apartments they rent out in the most trashy immigrant dense areas whereas in other places of the city for some apartments if you've lived with them or been in queue for over four years (as in not newly arrived immigrant) you will not be able to apply for it.
    Because socialists politicians know best. Diversity & multi-culturalism - until the last European is dead and what was Europe is gone.

    1. Re:Yeah, don't worry about this by An+dochasac · · Score: 2

      The immigrants..

      (yada yada...)

      ...But supposedly it's a good joke and if you're not in then you're a racist fascist anti-democrat.>

      (yada yada)

      No, it's not a joke. It's not a joke that millions of immigrants are blamed worldwide if one commits a crime somewhere in the world but hundreds of crimes by racist, fascist anti-democrats are too common to be news anywhere. How many people know about the 64 arson attacks on refugee centres in Sweden and numerous similar attacks in Germany, Denmark and daily incidents of violence against immigrants in Ireland, the UK and elsewhere? How many know of the Afghan refugee driven to suicide in Sweden this week?

      It's funny that here in Ireland, people shun the immigrants in the local repair shops but happily send hundreds of Euro to multinational sweatshops overseas where 90% of the money leaves the EU, never to return. The repair tax break is a good start but I can see right now that this is a small problem. We really need to repair our society so that we don't have so much shit for people like you to shovel onto the backs of immigrants and refugees.

  10. Re:Who's gonna pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE"?!?!?! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd really like to see what factual basis you're employing for this argument, because I'm not seeing one. In fact, I come to exactly the opposite conclusion, maybe because (a) I live in Sweden, (b) I know what a washing machine costs here, and (c) I can do simple maths.

    Washing machine X costs the same regardless of your income. (Yes, if you make more, you can buy a more expensive machine, in which case it's a different machine.)

    If I make 100000 SEK a year and spend 10000 of it on that washing machine, that's 10% of my income. If I spend 5000 to repair it, that's 5%. If I get back 2500 of that on my taxes, that's 2.5%.

    If I make 200000 SEK a year and spend 10000 of it on a washing machine, that's 5% of my income. If I spend 5000 to repair it, that's 2.5%. If I get back 2500 of that on my taxes, that's 1.25%.

    So, if anything, the tax cut actually benefits low-income folks *more* than it does the wealthy since it returns a greater proportion of their income. What's your evidence to the contrary, other than grand pronouncements?

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    Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  11. Re:Who's gonna pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE"?!?!?! by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    High tax rate but also high return on value to citizens. The US has a very low tax rate but also a very low return back to citizens. What pisses off people is when they pay taxes but get very little to show for it (except a gargantuan military).