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Senators Accuse Russia Of Disrupting US Election (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes The Washington Post: Two senior Democratic lawmakers with access to classified intelligence on Thursday accused Russia of "making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election," a charge that appeared aimed at putting pressure on the Obama administration to confront Moscow... "At the least, this effort is intended to sow doubt about the security of our election and may well be intended to influence the outcomes," the statement said. "We believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only from very senior levels of the Russian government..."

White House officials have repeatedly insisted that they are awaiting the outcome of a formal FBI investigation, even though U.S. intelligence are said to have concluded with "high confidence" that Russia was responsible for the DNC breach and other attacks. The White House hesitation has become a source of frustration to critics, including senior members of Congress.

Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence officials are reportedly investigating whether Donald Trump's foreign policy adviser "opened up private communications with senior Russian officials -- including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president."

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  1. oh, yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As if the US never tries to influence elections in many many countries. Oh, wait .. they don't matter. They are not the US.

    1. Re: oh, yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but we KNOW - thanks to these hacks - that the DNC was attempting to (and arguably succeeded in) subverting the will of the people.

      Basically, they're not mad that people can subvert US elections (if they were, they'd be supporting Voter ID laws), they're mad that THEY got caught subverting the democratic process, and are now trying to deflect attention to Russia to avoid having to answer to their own crimes.

      If anything, Russia has provided a service to the US in strengthening our democratic process.

    2. Re:oh, yes by KeensMustard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does everyone keep saying Russia works with Trump? I have yet to see anything along those lines other than a couple of comments from Trump about Putin.

      I suspect the payment of 12.7M by Russia to Trumps Campaign Manager Paul Manaforte and the subsequent removal of the arming of the Ukraine from the RNC platform might have something to do with it.

  2. What's wrong with this? by Bruce66423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence officials are reportedly investigating whether Donald Trump's foreign policy adviser "opened up private communications with senior Russian officials -- including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president."

    WTF? There's no reason for the 'intelligence officials' to get involved with this, it's perfectly legal behaviour for a candidate. That it is being sprayed about is a measure of desperation of some people to stop Trump. Whilst I have sympathy with their purpose, their behaviour is deeply wrong.

    1. Re:What's wrong with this? by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So Obama should have been investigated by his own FBI over this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

      They've already given Hillary & her crew a pass for multiple rather explicit criminal acts, why not investigate the otherside based on hearsay, who knows what you might find?

    2. Re:What's wrong with this? by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US really hates it when other countries do the exact same thing that the US does all over the world every day. I just wish more people in the US would tell their representatives to stop meddling with the rest of the world, whether it is carpet bombing Afghanistan, drone strikes in Pakistan, coups in the Ukraine, aiding rebels in Syria, destroying Libya, helping the Saudis bomb Yemen, or any of the other non-productive, highly destructive regime-change activities we are involved in every day. It is all about defense contractor profits and keeping the Middle East destabilized. Just expect lots more blowback as this all continues without your input or consent.

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    3. Re:What's wrong with this? by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence officials are reportedly investigating whether Donald Trump's foreign policy adviser "opened up private communications with senior Russian officials -- including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president."

      WTF? There's no reason for the 'intelligence officials' to get involved with this, it's perfectly legal behaviour for a candidate. That it is being sprayed about is a measure of desperation of some people to stop Trump. Whilst I have sympathy with their purpose, their behaviour is deeply wrong.

      And if the talks included a quid pro quo about Russia disrupting the US election to help Trump win?

      Hell, even if they didn't include include subtle mentions of Russia manipulating the elections what other reason would Trump's campaign have to secretly talk to Russia during the campaign? If Trump wins the election he's got 2 months to set up his transition, certainly that's more than enough time to have discussions with Russia as the President elect.

      Secretly telling a rival power, who is already accused of disrupting the elections, that you're going to be their best friend is really damn suspicious.

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    4. Re:What's wrong with this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > So Obama should have been investigated by his own FBI over this?

      A sitting president telling a foreign leader that he will have more political manuevering room after an election is not even remotely like a candidate for president negotiating with a foreign leader against american interests.

      You want comparisons of people who got "a pass?"
      Reagan trying to delay Iran's hostage release to deny Carter the credit.
      Nixon trying to delay the end of the vietnam war to deny LBJ the credit.

      It is completely within the realm of the possible that Trump is conspiring with Putin to fuck over american efforts to defeat ISIS in order to deny credit to the democrats. And if he is doing that, we all deserve to know.

  3. Hypocrisy, much? by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US, of course, has never tried to interfere with, or influence, a foreign election.

    Anyway, I actually doubt that Russia in interfering at all, in 2016. The political elite in the US have produced the current situation all by itself: people are fed up with being presented with a non-choice (it was supposed to be Jeb vs. Hillary), so they did their damnedest to make it Bernie vs. Trump. Half succeeded, too, and Trump's chances are looking pretty good.

    Pisses of the political elite no end, and since nothing could possibly be their fault, it must be the Ruskies. Or maybe aliens.

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  4. I for one thank them by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they are behind the leaks of the DNC emails that showed Sanders was never going to be allowed to run that's something every registered Democrat had a right to know.

    If they are behind the release of the fact Obama used a pseudonym to email hillary, despite the fact he denied having any knowledge of her private email. That's good to know too.

    Then there is the price list for all the government posts that were handed out.

    At the very least they have done us one hell of a favor.

  5. Hey Washington... by zurkeyon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    DOESN'T IT SUCK to have people spying on YOUR Communications? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Serves You Right!

  6. Re:After the election by Gussington · · Score: 1, Insightful

    one thing seems clear.

    The time to address these issues is after the election.

    That would be fine with any other candidates ay any other election, but one of these ones is actually threatening to shut this important pillar of democracy down. If you say anything bad he'll sue you.
    Hate to pull Godwin, but Trump really is the most Hitler-like candidate since well, er Hitler.

  7. Re:Looking bad for Hillary now. by Archtech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not nearly as simple as that. True, people can always be found to "demand" that the USA "do something". But then, people can always be found to demand that any government "do something". Often that "something" turns out to be profitable for the people who do the demanding. But whether the loud demands are at all representative of what people in general want... that's a different question.

    The USA is supposed to fund UN peacekeeping missions - actually, a very inexpensive commitment compared to fighting wars - because all the 193 member nations do so. Likewise with other routine UN functions. Please note that the US government was instrumental and took a leadership role in setting up the UN, which is why its headquarters is in New York. Many of us would prefer it to be in a different, preferably small and non-aligned nation.

    The anti-pirate patrols are much appreciated and have done a lot of good. However, there is a strong argument that local nations should indeed perform that role instead; that way they would be more inclined to address the root causes of piracy.

    I don't believe anyone ever demanded that the USA become the "World Police", and your rude comment about Europeans is wholly unjustified. Indeed, a study of history suggests that it was far more the choice of Americans and their government to occupy Europe (and Japan) than that of the locals. Of course, as of 1945 the USA was the world's wealthiest and most powerful nation, having remained neutral for the first two years and three months of WW2 in Europe. Thus, when WW2 ended, the USA was the only major nation whose own territory had not been invaded or bombed. Germany was shattered and decimated. Italy was little better. The USSR had lost one in seven of all its people - soldiers and civilians - over 25 million dead. Britain had not suffered so many deaths, but was utterly bankrupt due to the cost of fighting both world wars. (The UK finished repaying its war debts to the USA in 2006).

    Under the circumstances, I find the expression "lazy f'kers in Europe" extremely offensive and unfair.

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