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EFF Calls On HP To Disable Printer Ink Self-Destruct Sequence (arstechnica.com)

HP should apologize to customers and restore the ability of printers to use third-party ink cartridges, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) said in a letter to the company's CEO yesterday. From an ArsTechnica report:HP has been sabotaging OfficeJet Pro printers with firmware that prevents use of non-HP ink cartridges and even HP cartridges that have been refilled, forcing customers to buy more expensive ink directly from HP. The self-destruct mechanism informs customers that their ink cartridges are "damaged" and must be replaced. "The software update that prevented the use of third-party ink was reportedly distributed in March, but this anti-feature itself wasn't activated until September," EFF Special Advisor Cory Doctorow wrote in a letter to HP Inc. CEO Dion Weisler. "That means that HP knew, for at least six months, that some of its customers were buying your products because they believed they were compatible with any manufacturer's ink, while you had already planted a countdown timer in their property that would take this feature away. Your customers will have replaced their existing printers, or made purchasing recommendations to friends who trusted them on this basis. They are now left with a less useful printer -- and possibly a stockpile of useless third-party ink cartridges."

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  1. Just don't buy HP by mmiscool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just don't buy HP

    1. Re:Just don't buy HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That doesn't help all the people who bought HP before they knew this "feature" would activate at a later date.

    2. Re:Just don't buy HP by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is this "printer" thing you people speak of?

    3. Re:Just don't buy HP by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is where we are now. Everything you buy today is sold with Darth Vader terms "I've altered the deal, pray i dont alter it further" with no recourse other than to not buy or stop using it. IN the past you could work around these things, but DMCA kills most of that.. Unless you are running open solutions, you are at their mercy. We are here, we have arrived. Its not some dystopian future, its here, now, today.

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    4. Re:Just don't buy HP by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, but "don't buy HP printers" has been good advice for at least 20 years.

      So has don't buy Canon. Oh and didn't Lexmark start this whole cartridge encoding thing? And then there was Brother's reputation for jamming more than a fruit preservative factory.

      The only good advice is to use pencil and hope you never need to duplicate pages at home because quite frankly all printer companies have shown some level of dickish behaviour.

    5. Re:Just don't buy HP by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is this "printer" thing you people speak of?

      If you deal with governments, lawyers, or doctors, you still need to print stuff on paper. I emailed a form to my local hospital, and they called and said I had to fax it. So I "e-signed" it, and sent it with my fax card. They called again and said that they could not accept e-signatures, so I had to print it out, sign it with real physical ink, scan it back in, and then fax the image. That was two months ago, and I haven't used my printer since.

  2. Probably actually illegal by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is probably actually illegal. Sony had to pay a settlement for disabling Linux on the PS3; HP is doing the same, so has at least a civil suit. Uniquely, however, HP has proven that their product is compatible with third-party ink, and has taken action to specifically to lock-out competition. That's probably an instance of Tying, and HP has sufficient market power to show that Tying is anti-competitive.

    1. Re:Probably actually illegal by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably, but I am reminded of the Microsoft/Stacker lawsuit. Stacker was a company that did on-the-fly disk compression for DOS systems. Microsoft met up with them and went through a lot of due diligence and saw a lot of Stacker's software code as part of a discussion about Microsoft licensing Stacker for the next version of DOS. They did not reach an agreement. Microsoft then incorporated a product in the next version that looked a lot like Stacker. Stacker sued and eventually won, but was already driven out of business by the time everything cleared court.

      So, I ask you.. does it really matter if something is illegal if no one goes to jail and it is cheaper to pay a fine than deal with competition?

    2. Re:Probably actually illegal by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But will HP be punished enough so that they change their behavior? A suit is not always about getting rich.

  3. The real (and very bad) message: no updates by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This promotes the notion that you should never install updates. That's a really bad lesson.

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  4. HP employee here by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, HPE, and not for much longer (going out on my terms)... anyway - we used to get ink for free, before the split last November, but honestly, I stopped using my HP printer about a year before that. The scanner functionality didn't work right over the network and after getting a Dell (the horror) color laser, there was no reason to print on an inkjet anyway. Now I have an All-in-one that prints great color and scans, all over the network - even does AirPrint and an app to print over Android devices, too.

    Regardless of my feeling toward Meg Whitman and destruction of HP, I'd still recommend never buying HP Inkjets - same as I recommend not buying Epson (had those for years, then they put in a self-destruct after 3000 prints that just printed garbage on your media, dumb and expensive to the user).

    The tactics of these companies are reprehensible, and should not be supported by anybody. It's not like HP cares about its customers any more, anyway. It's all about stock prices so they can sell it all off to hedge funds (and devalue the middle class' pension funds to line their own pockets) just before it finally collapses.

    1. Re:HP employee here by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ditto from another HPE employee.

      HPI makes printers, ink & consumer electronics (desktops, laptops, etc)

      HPE makes enterprise hardware. (servers, networking gear, SANs, etc)

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  5. Back when there were no kids on my lawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember the olden days when HP made good printers. Expensive, but good. They'd last 10+ years with virtually no trouble. Their network connectivity was flawless and reliable. Their mechanical design was indestructible. The print quality was top notch.

    And then they started building "consumer" inkjet printers. And then they started marketing those low-grade printers to small offices. And then they jacked up the prices of ink. And now they're pulling this DMCA bullcrap. This is what "hell in a handbasket" looks like, and this is how legitimate businesses go to it.

    What once was done by being a competitive provider of goods and services has now been replaced with marketing and lobbying. Corporations, take heed: hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, but even that doesn't hold a candle to nerd rage. Do. Not. Piss. Off. The. Nerds. Or. They. Will. Put. You. Out. Of. Business. And. Use. Way. Too. Many. Single. Word. Sentence. Fragments.

  6. Re:Only one surprise by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're great for reenactments of Office Space, at least.

  7. Threw my HP OfficeJet in the garbage last week ... by stongef · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got fed up with HP's crappy business practices, an bought a new Epson Ecotank 2550 printer instead. No more cartridges to buy, just ink bottles ... and those last forever, it seems. The printer was more expensive yes, but now the family is back to printing without worrying about the cost of ink. Ah, and also, no more "dried up ink cartridges because it's been a while we printed" problem.

  8. The EFF? WTF? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This strikes me as a contravention of anti-fraud and/or anti-trust laws, and should be the subject of criminal charges filed by various States and Federal attorneys. Sure, it's about Electronic Freedoms, and I'm glad the EFF is weighing in - but dammit, they shouldn't have to do so. Legal authorities should be doing their jobs.

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  9. Re:Only one surprise by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only surprise here is that anyone would still recommend HP printers.

    Since we don't recommend pretty much every printer company for various and often similar dickish behaviour (seriously you think HP had enough innovation left to come up with this? They just copied this from Lexmark, and added a time delay to make it look new), just what should we do?

  10. Scan your signature by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

    They called again and said that they could not accept e-signatures

    This is why I keep a transparent-background PNG file with my signature around. Easily inserted into a LyX document and no one on the other end of the fax call can tell the difference.

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  11. High-Maintenance but can't give me a blowjob... no by Pezbian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it floats, flies, fucks, or prints, it's cheaper to rent it.

    I find I print more often after switching away from inkjet to laser. The problem with inkjet was I'd print so seldom that the cartridges would get clogged and that just made me want to use it even less. Why fiddle around for an hour trying to get a good photo print when the Walmart down the street is faster and doesn't go through $5 in ink each time? I had a geriatric (Centronics-50 SCSI; that's how old) Kodak dye sub printer that was less trouble.

    I picked up a used business-class HP B/W laser all-in-one for $25 and the damn thing goes like a champ.
    For color, I have a Brother laser. I'll sacrifice print quality for reliability any day.

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  12. Modern day Peasents by Stan92057 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to the decade where business tell YOU what you can and cant do with hardware you pay for. Dont expect Congress to help either, they are all millionaires who have stock in all these companies and those companies line their political campaign pockets as well. They are royalty we are their modern day peasants/slaves..because very few have the balls to say no.

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