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FBI Investigating Possible Hack of Democratic Party Staffer Cell Phones (cnn.com)

In what may be part of the original Democratic National Committee hack, the FBI is currently investigating a possible hack involving the cell phones of a small number of Democratic Party staffers. CNN reports: The development comes on the same day Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told lawmakers that 18 states have asked for help in warding off cyberattacks on their electronic voting systems. Law enforcement officials have reached out to the staffers individually about "imaging" their phones to search for evidence of hacking, such as malware. Investigators are still probing whether this attempted hack is part of the original breach of Democratic National Committee emails -- which is widely thought to be the work of the Russian government -- or a new hacking attempt. "Our struggle with the Russian hackers that we announced in June is ongoing -- as we knew it would be -- and we are choosing not to provide general updates unless personal data or other sensitive information has been accessed or stolen," interim DNC Chairwoman Donna Brazile told CNN. Cybersecurity was a major theme at the debate last night between Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. While Clinton blamed the Russians for the "election-related cyberintrusions," Trump said "It could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It could also be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds." We will update this story as it develops.

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  1. Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by skids · · Score: 2

    Online users brush aside weightist comment, just happy to be noticed.

    Sorry. Couldn't resist.

    1. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why DJT and his campaign are blaming the mic, the moderator, and the presence of Chelsea Clinton in the audience?

    2. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by John+Da'+Baddest · · Score: 5, Funny

      Out here in the boondocks, we're wondering about beds that weigh 400 pounds. Waterbeds maybe?

    3. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Oh yeah, no bias here at all.

      https://i.sli.mg/gyqNxI.png

    4. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by skids · · Score: 1

      He deserved it.

    5. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The moderator also complained far more about Trump overrunning the alotted time.
      Boohoohoo, he's got such an anti-Trump bias.
      Tardy Trump can't help it if he needs a little more time.

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    6. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      Online users brush aside weightist comment

      Not me. What a douche.

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    7. Re:Trump wins post debate polls among bed-sitters by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

      Gee, I thought the moderator complained about Trump not addressing his questions.

      Trump was attempting to follow his campaign's strategy of responding to any uncomfortable question by filibustering with a spew of soundbites. "The people don't want to hear about that, they want to hear about....". Kellyane Conway does it really well, with a big smile on her face. Other Trump surrogates are not as good, and apparently, Trump himself is the worst of the bunch. He would start a filibuster, but lapse into utter incoherence. Not that Kellyane's scripted stuff is any less incoherent, but it sounds coherent, and that's apparently enough to get the job done.

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  2. no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by iggymanz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    a couple of our own U.S. intelligence services are angry about certain issues, it is them not "Russian Hackers" bothering Obama admin and Hillary campaign.

    The Russians, pffffffttt.

    1. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Troll

      You don't think the Russians wouldn't like a disruptive candidate like Trump winning the election. They're playing similar games elsewhere, like assuring an old style Trot like Jeremy Corbyn stays in charge of Labour in the UK, and feeding all sorts of anti-EU fires throughout the rest of Europe. Russia knows that it has absolutely no hope of every beating a unified West, so it's going to do its best to screw with that unity.

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    2. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by alvinrod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Makes a certain amount of sense that they would favor Trump, if only because he's far more likely to get into bed with them than Clinton, but they could be going after the Democrats out of spite for opposing them in Ukraine/Syria. You have to wonder how much they have, because as much as been leaked so far, it hasn't amounted to anything, so either they've used up everything and are trying to find more or they're just waiting for the right moment before dropping it all so that there's no possible way for the Democrats to respond in time.

    3. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Early voting has already started in some places, if you want to swing a vote it helps to act before the voting is done.

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    4. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if only because he's far more likely to get into bed with them than Clinton

      You apparently missed the four years she was secretary of state. One of the most embarrassing turns at the state department, and one of those moments involved trying to "reset" relations with Putin.

      It's clear she is in no way ready for this job - proven by her past performance.

    5. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Problem is, it could be just about anyone. From what has been disclosed, and the "candidate's" personal history, the entire setup is farcically leaky. Trump is again correct about that one.

    6. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Makes a certain amount of sense that they would favor Trump, if only because he's far more likely to get into bed with them than Clinton

      The Clinton Foundation has been happy to take their money for years now. The only reason Hillary has any hope of winning this is because Trump is an idiot. I have to laugh, though. Democrats hate Trump for mocking a mentally disabled guy. But Democrats have no trouble mocking Trump and you guys don't seriously expect me to believe he's sane, right?

      At this point I'm probably just going to write in somebody. Screw these losers.

    7. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Pootsky doesn't like Hil'ry because she publicly questioned the legitimacy of his election.

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    8. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Troll

      Russians know they can manipulation bankrupt Trump with oil money.

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    9. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shill much comrade?

    10. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean the russians could do the same as the saudis did with hillary ????

    11. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia knows that it has absolutely no hope of every beating a unified West, so it's going to do its best to screw with that unity.

      Russia does not care about beating the West or whatever you have been brainwashed into believing. They however do not want to be beaten by the West, so of course they keep having to take precautionary measures.
      The US and NATO keep poking the bear and encroaching upon its territory, and then saying it should be put down when it makes a scary noise. Russia just wants to be left alone in its own slice of the world.

    12. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      Uh, they were already paying off Hillary when she was secretary of state. FYI: Trump isn't bankrupt, if you're believing that then you enjoy your kool-aid.

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    13. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Pootsky doesn't like Hil'ry because she publicly questioned the legitimacy of his election.

      And the Democrats are more worried about the legitimacy of Trump's erection!

      They write themselves, folks!

      Strat

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    14. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "unified West" is doing a fine job at beating itself. The only way for the EU to survive at this point is to effectively abolish all forms of democracy in its member states and have the EU Commission assume full power. EURGENDFOR will take care of the protests the hard way. After the first display of deadly force, the opposition will disappear.

    15. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protect our own. Yeah right.
      Backdoors were known, but it was so sexy doing nothing in case FBI needed info.

      Now they whinge when the exploit is used. Define conditional privacy.

    16. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only problem ia that slice keeps expanding.

    17. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by gtall · · Score: 1

      I doubt the reset was Clinton's idea. She's shown very little initiative and vision in the campaign. I recall Obama running the first time on "resets" as the anti-Bush.

    18. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by gtall · · Score: 2

      Yes, but Trump is no 10 Billion $ man either. Look at his scams. He's strictly a penny-ante grifter. Anyone with 10 Billion doesn't start some of the silly scams Trump has been behind unless they are so blinded by greed that they seem like a good way to spend time.

    19. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by gtall · · Score: 1

      No, it is because she thinks of Putin as a sawed-off runt who has all the humanity of Stalin.

    20. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It is rather interesting that the Republicans managed to nominate the one person Hillary could actually beat. It's almost like they are begging to stay out of the White House.

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    21. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, the usual weird paranoia theories. Except back in the day, it was the UN that the paranoids said that about.

      The EU will continue to stumble along. It's not going to disappear; it's not going to "abolish democracy" with "deadly force". It will keep on keeping on.

      It's a loose collection of disparate countries with different cultures, and different economies, not a monolith, with the only power what power the countries give it.

    22. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 1

      Just like it used to be "Bush's fault", now it's "Obama's fault". Holy shit can't anyone own up to anything anymore?

    23. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      You think the Russians/Chinese/any number of nations would be attacking ALL the campaigns devices?

      Really?

      The reality is that everything sending or receiving data via the Internet is under attack, constantly, and many of the attackers are either employed, supported, or financed by state actors. Not that it matters, for if they spot an unaffiliated attacker succeeding, they will attack THEM. Why steal from the bank if you can just roll the robbers as they 'escape' with the goods? Actually a good strategy to quietly compromise the attackers, leaving them holding an 'empty' bag.

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    24. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "It is rather interesting that the Republicans managed to nominate the one person Hillary could actually beat"

      Let's clear this up how, ok?

      The 'Republicans' did NOT nominate Trump. The primary voters were in some states Democrats/'independents', in other states nominal Republicans. The GOP did as much as it dared to to discredit Trump, and he won anyways. Why?

      Because too many non-Democrats are no longer supporting the Republican Party, name it the GOP or the GOPe as you wish. They have their reasons

      Trump is a protest candidate. He's attracting surprising support because of that.

      And the way Washington is running things, a candidate that seems intent on burning it all down is attractive to a certain minority of the voters. The anti-Hillary minority, combined with the usual anti-Democrat minorities, may yet form a coalition that is sufficient to elect Trump.

      But don't think for a moment that 'the Republicans' nominated Trump. They are saddled with him because they chose not to rig the convention and have to choose an even less palatable (to the actual voting coalitions) candidate, or to nominate a candidate they feared more than Trump. The Democrats, being bolder and actually having the intention of pursuing objectives, snuffed the Sanders campaign before it became truly dangerous. The GOPe does not care to pursue any objectives other than retaining their positions and power, or at least this is the belief of a substantial number of their traditional rank and file supporters.

      Again, do not confuse Trump's nomination with support from the GOP. They do not support him, save for Priebus and a few RNC members. And they are under attack by the GOPe, as should be expected. Trump is, to take a page from the activists, a change agent. the GOPe does not desire change. His voters do.

      Be sure to lay in substantial supplies of popcorn. If Trump wins, you will want it. If Hillary wins, you'll be eating it for dinner. Maybe either way.

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    25. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Wells Fargo.

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    26. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yes, because a country that is crumbling because of low oil prices can affect the financial holdings of a real estate mogul. There's so much interplay between oil in Russia and property in New York City!

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    27. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by camg188 · · Score: 1

      Trump is a protest candidate. He's attracting surprising support because of that.

      Trump originally attracted a following last year because he was the only candidate that clearly supported enforcement of our southern border.

    28. Re: no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      One of the coalitions.

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    29. Re:no "Russian Hackers", that's B.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think the Russians wouldn't like a disruptive candidate like Trump winning the election. They're playing similar games elsewhere,

      No not at all did you ever think that all this about the Russians is just a smoke screen so when it is found the elections were tamper with there is someone to blame besides the real actors. OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. Thet call this a false flag attack. Yes this is just setting up for the big breach. Yes the elections will be tampered with but it will be our own government tampering with it not the Russians.

      You got to have someone to blame.

  3. Solution for Democrats by bongey · · Score: 1

    That needs to be implemented fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?... .

    1. Re:Solution for Democrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Honesty be a better solution? Oh I know, what am I a citizen or something?

  4. The ultimate hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    is imaging the phones...

    1. Re:The ultimate hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is imaging the phones...

      3.2.1. Queue Judicial Watch's new Freedom of Information act request for the phone images......

  5. Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and she surrounds herself with equally incompetent staff. I'm not surprised they're being breached left and right by amateurs.

    1. Re:Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by hey! · · Score: 1

      In other words: just like everyone else.

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    2. Re:Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words: Not Presidential material.

    3. Re:Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      In other words: Not IT material.

      The President of the United States is not an IT job. Despite your delusions of grandeur, your ability to configure an email server does not translate into competence at governing a nation and governing a nation does not require knowing how to configure a email server.

    4. Re:Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but President of the United States is a job that requires surrounding yourself with the best and brightest, and taking accountability for when things go wrong, not just credit when things go right.

      She has shown no ability to do either. She surrounds herself with sycophants and the morally flexible, and always has a scapegoat or coverup at the ready when something goes sideways.

    5. Re:Clinton's record on data security is pathetic by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I would expect any future candidate to at least take their required national security training which she refused to do. Of course, if you didn't have the training, it's really easy to call handling classified information "a mistake", rather than a willful violation...

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  6. Let's start with the important question by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's start with the important question: Android or Ios?

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    1. Re:Let's start with the important question by NoSalt · · Score: 1

      Good question. The DoJ uses Android, but the DoD uses iOS.

  7. your struggle by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    "Our struggle with the Russian hackers that we announced in June is ongoing -- as we knew it would be -- and we are choosing not to provide general updates unless personal data or other sensitive information has been accessed or stolen," interim DNC Chairwoman Donna Brazile told CNN.

    If you find it to be a "struggle" to keep your phones or your computers safe from "Russian hackers", then your party and its candidates are clearly not competent to hold higher office.

    1. Re:your struggle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you DO NOT find it a struggle to keep your phones and computers safe from nation-state level attackers, then you are as equally incompetent.

      Security is a process, not a product.

      Repeat after me, security is a process, not a product.

      Now write it 100 times on the chalkboard.

      Spit out that gum too.

    2. Re:your struggle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to my Chromebook.

      Good luck getting people to write shit on chalkboards. I promise you Google has kept far more people secure with chromebooks than your "user training" will ever accomplish.

      Or you could keep blaming the victim for shitty software.

    3. Re:your struggle by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me, security is a process, not a product.

      And yet, which products you choose to purchase is critically important. Some of them simply can't reasonably be secured.

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  8. Electronic Voting Systems by Shane_Optima · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The development comes on the same day Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told lawmakers that 18 states have asked for help in warding off cyberattacks on their electronic voting systems.

    This is one of those phrases that should result in people instantly being fired but, for some reason, never does.

    How long ago did the first Diebold issues come out? And this is still a thing?

    I'm almost terrified to ask but these "cyber" attacks they're worried... that wouldn't be a reference to internet based attacks, would it? Did some psychopath finally decide that that best way to fix electronic voting machines was to connect them to the internet in any setup that didn't involve an air gap?

    1. Re:Electronic Voting Systems by msauve · · Score: 1

      " should result in people instantly being fired but, for some reason, never does."

      Firing a government bureaucrat is even harder than firing a union member. Even if there's unequivocal, bona fide, just cause.

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    2. Re:Electronic Voting Systems by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 2

      The real news here is that 32 *states* believe their IT is good enough to secure their infrastructure against cyberattacks by the best teams that the biggest nations of the world have been able to militarize. We're not talking about script kiddies here.

      Even if the attackers only have a 2% chance of breaching any of those elections, you're talking about a 50% chance of at least one state election being compromised. Any state not having a verifiable paper trail as a backup is insane.

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    3. Re:Electronic Voting Systems by Shane_Optima · · Score: 2

      Any state not having a verifiable paper trail as a backup is insane.

      Yes, and this is a pretty big indictment of the laziness (...or cynical job protection) of IT experts. They've had 16 years to explain to people that the best way to secure and streamline the infrastructure is also the cheapest: optical scanners backed by random double-checking with hand counts, with a few statisticians on hand to flag any suspicious-looking results that should be audited. Black box systems that don't involve a paper trail are more expensive, incur additional expenses in auditing and hardening, and inevitably turned out to be much less reliable than the old methods... now we're seeing hints that these things are actually being networked? If each individual vote-counting machine were kept separate and offline then the attackers' job becomes completely impractical, as they would have to successfully attack a large proportion of the machines involved in an election in person in order to change the outcome.

    4. Re:Electronic Voting Systems by quantaman · · Score: 0

      The development comes on the same day Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told lawmakers that 18 states have asked for help in warding off cyberattacks on their electronic voting systems.

      This is one of those phrases that should result in people instantly being fired but, for some reason, never does.

      How long ago did the first Diebold issues come out? And this is still a thing?

      I'm almost terrified to ask but these "cyber" attacks they're worried... that wouldn't be a reference to internet based attacks, would it? Did some psychopath finally decide that that best way to fix electronic voting machines was to connect them to the internet in any setup that didn't involve an air gap?

      Here's what I'd do if I were Russia and I wanted to screw with the election.

      Hack the voting machines and state websites for tabulating and reporting results, and have them all go Trump by a few points.

      Of course people will realize something is screwy from the exit polls and the voting patterns. They'll audit, figure out what's going on, and the real results will get out, it might take a few hours or a few days but it will get settled and they'll figure out Hillary won.

      But do you really expect Trump to just step aside at that point? He'll refuse to concede, insist he won, claim they're cheating and stealing the election from him, and a lot of his supporters will go along for the ride.

      It will be like birtherism x10, your already dysfunctional political system will go even further downhill and Russia will have that much more leeway to throw its weight around the neighbourhood.

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    5. Re:Electronic Voting Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firing a government bureaucrat is even harder than firing a union member.

      Virtually all government employees are union members, so yea.

  9. Remind me again by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    why we have Homeland Security? It's supposed to let the FBI ask the NSA dudes "um, hey. know how to hack these cellphones, or find out if they've been hacked, or even better, know how to make it harder to hack em?"

    Cuz we all know the NSA can hack your cell phone 9 ways to friday.

  10. Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should never be shared with communists. They just cannot be trusted.

  11. Cyber BS .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cyber BS is all I say ...

  12. Bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Nuff said

  13. Hmm... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1, Troll

    No one thinks it's suspicious that the DNC is the target of frequent and recurring attacks, while the Republicans haven't been touched once, and that Trump refuses to blame Russia for anything? No one thinks it's suspicious that several of his advisers have strong ties to Russia? No one thinks it's suspicious he's directly paid by Russia? Good god people, skepticism is helpful in the right amounts, but to pretend this isn't Putin's way of helping his financially submissive bitch into office is naive beyond belief.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why aren't I 50 points ahead?".... maybe it is those pesky Russians! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JFQqoYw1A

    2. Re:Hmm... by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The hilarious thing is Trump supporters will believe the stupidest, most easily disproven conspiracy theories about Clinton, but insist that the well-supported fact that Russian hackers are messing with the election is a crazy conspiracy.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Epistemology is the problem. Once you start talking about state-level actors tying to influence elections, you don't really know what you know any more.

      Are there really Russian hackers, or are they just a conveneient bogeyman for the DNC to blame? If they're Russian hackers, are they leaving evidence on purpose or on accident? Are they trying to help Trump or are they trying to give cover to Clinton?

      If they prefer Trump, is it because they believe he'll be a pushover, or do they believe that Clinton will force an overt armed conflict? Or is it some other state actor trying to convince us that the Russians want these thigns?

      What do we as the electorate really know?

    4. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump were behind this.

    5. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No one thinks it's suspicious that the DNC is the target of frequent and recurring attacks, while the Republicans haven't been touched once, and that Trump refuses to blame Russia for anything? No one thinks it's suspicious that several of his advisers have strong ties to Russia? No one thinks it's suspicious he's directly paid by Russia? Good god people, skepticism is helpful in the right amounts, but to pretend this isn't Putin's way of helping his financially submissive bitch into office is naive beyond belief.

      Two theories:

      First, the RNC isn't as dumb and spent a little more time, effort, and money on security. Easy peasy, no hack.

      Second, the RNC didn't fuck over candidates in the primaries with corruption, and therefore the theoretical inside guy had no reason to fuck them back, or they DID get in and it's just boring, not worth releasing. What the DNC did to Bernie Sanders was WRONG, it was ILLEGAL... and someone grabbed a bunch of data and released it. No need for hackers of any kind. Just someone with access and a grudge.

      Where's the proof of hacking? Show me so I can call you a liar again. Not even some half baked story, just "hacked'. No "they got into a NAS" not "well we missed this patch" just "hacked." Like it's goddamn Harry Potter waving a want at them. Fuck you if you are so stupid you believe that "we got hacked" shit. Perhaps the staffer that was "robbed" yet mysteriously had all his stuff took the data and got himself killed over it. That's more likely than "hacked."

    6. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The really hilarious thing is DNC supporters think the Russians are affecting the election, when in reality it is probably an insider sick of the illegal tactics the DNC used against Sanders. Not to mention the borderline illegal fundraising techniques, which I would think could be ruled illegal in court if tried.

      Had the DNC not done these unethical, maybe illegal, things the "Russian hackers" wouldn't have anything good to release. Trump calls her Crooked Hillary and the evidence is literally coming from everywhere to prove he is right. Hillary and the DNC did this to themselves. It is probably an insider sick to his stomach to see it. The Russian thing is a red herring to distract from their actions.

    7. Re:Hmm... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Of course, if the DNC weren't doing all these shady things that get revealed through email and phone hacks, then there wouldn't be much to be embarrassed by.

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    8. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it concerning that Hillary gets embarrassed with illegal DNC actions in the primary and the FIRST thing she does is blame Russia.

      Is she going to be doing that as president as well? Economy doesn't pick up, Obamacare costs go out of control.. BLAME RUSSIA.
      Maybe if she did a better job there wouldn't be a need to blame anyone.

  14. No, wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, the Russian Government looks out for it's own interests in terms of attempting to sway foreign Governments. So does the USA, just look at the Middle East, Africa, and a good amount of Eastern Europe. Look how much money the US allowed to flow to Serbia, Georgia, the Ukraine. If you believe that Trump is somehow worse for the US than Hillary, or more beneficial to any Foreign power you either don't know Trump's platform (and the reason for his success) or don't care to figure it out.

    One could say that Trump is too concerned with US interests, but that's not what people claim. US Allies have concerns about how he would renegotiate our current treaties because he comes off as too hard line for US interests. One could also argue that cutting taxes as much as he plans would have an adverse effect. Again, the arguments all go way the hell out in the weeds to "he loves Russia", and quite frankly that is a losing argument.

    They both do business with Russia, and Hillary did hers while serving as Secretary of State. It's pretty obvious that pay for play landed a Russian company exclusive access to about 75% of the Uranium mines in the North America. The Clinton's don't care who's money they take, as long as they believe they gain enough political power in the bargain. If you believe Hillary's claim that she left the office broke, the Clinton duo has banked 111 Million dollars personally, and almost $2,000,000,000.00 for the foundation while she worked as a Public servant and he collected his Presidential retirement. If you believe you rake in 132million a year for giving speeches, I have a bridge for sale.

    The one thing I noticed and heard Dennis Prager talk about today was Hillary's plan to force companies to share profits with employees (in addition to a huge hike in Federal minimum wage, extended required paid time off). The level of authoritarianism being published is frightening, and mimics what countries like Russia do today. Companies already off-shore or simply move jobs to avoid excessive taxes, and you think anyone will invest when they receive negative revenue for investing?

    Neither candidate is good, but the lies about Trump are helping him more than hurting him. The days of not being able to find information don't currently exist, which is why you can bet your ass that the First amendment will be under assault from day one of a Hillary Presidency. You think Obama is good at ignoring FOIA requests, imagine how she will be.

    Posting anonymously since the Hillary shills will hammer any negative post.

    1. Re:No, wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Posting anonymously since the Hillary shills will hammer any negative post."

      LOL. Post all the usual conspiracy theory bullshit about Clinton, downplay the outrageous (by comparison) Trump problems and add a little bullshit about how "shills" will downvote you. Trump supporters have the exact formula down to portray their "God Emporer" (they LITERALLY CALL HIM THAT) in a positive light online.

    2. Re:No, wrong question by gtall · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Trump has the attention span of gnat. He thinks stiffing contractors is good business. He thinks NATO is a protection racket. He's shown no ability to learn anything new and doesn't appear to know very much as he stands now. He's easily rattled, he cannot keep his ego under control, and he's somehow hoodwinked the Christian Right into thinking of him as a Baby Christian. After he decides to default on U.S. debt obligations, the U.S. can forget about having an economy any better than a banana republic.

    3. Re:No, wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and there's absolutely no astroturfing over 30 years worth of Clinton scandal and misdeeds going on, or apologists bleating on about the scandals du jour and how they don't matter because some previous Secretary of State had 1 email classified after the fact, so that makes her and her staff sending actually classified top secret at the time emails through some shitbox Exchange server sitting in her basement just fine.

      She lies just as much as he does. She enacts horrible policy, starts wars, gets people killed, and violates federal law.

      But trump says some mean things, so GO HILLARY, RITE?

    4. Re: No, wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys remind me of baby monkeys throwing shit at each other. No one wins. But everyone ends up smelling like shit.

    5. Re:No, wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're spouting talking points, and haven't really investigated the issue. Go, investigate.

  15. Re:Certainly the work of heroic Russian hackers . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you believe it takes a genius to hack politicians you have never tried. Smart people have real jobs, the slobs that believe they are smart but only qualify to leach off the public are easy targets.

  16. Re:Certainly the work of heroic Russian hackers . by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He may have been asked, but I would not be surprised if he refused. Snowden seems to be earnest. Assange, on the other hand, is clearly a spineless Russian tool.

  17. merkel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a russian agent, because she screws up the eu and destroys germany ????

    indeed, that could explain a lot.

  18. Hack Trump by powerbankexpert · · Score: 1

    Why can't someone hurry up and hack Trumps phone for some entertainment?

    1. Re:Hack Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. The Department of Labor is working on it.

    2. Re:Hack Trump by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Why can't someone hurry up and hack Trumps phone for some entertainment?

      Because nude selfies of Trump would make goatse look like My Little Ponies

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      Time to offend someone
  19. Russian government by phantomfive · · Score: 1
    Here is the evidence that it is the Russian government:

    The researchers at the aforementioned security firm are basing their conclusion on three signals: the hacker used Russian computers to edit PDF files, he also used Russian VPN -- and other internet infrastructure from the country, and that he was unable to speak Romanian.

    That's really thin evidence to support the assertion that it's the Russian government. Once you start accusing governments, any government could leave those kinds of clues, including the US governemnt. Non-governmental actors can forge that kind of thing, too.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Russian government by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, this is a topic where both sides can argue with each other and both be right. If Trump says, "we don't know it was the Russian government, and Clinton says, "experts say it was the Russian government;" those aren't logically contradictory positions.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Russian government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, since Trump isn't an expert.

    3. Re:Russian government by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its as easy as that, a set of "Bear" tools that are so well understood in the West, a time zone and ip range.
      With the same tools its easy to access any Western networks, stay totally undetected, enter any network, get amount of data over hours, days weeks, months and exit.
      On exit be sloppy and ignore all logs, methods, code fragments and get discovered? Lots of litter to find for private sector experts hours later.
      What nation would invest in one time access using a method thats in the media and already very well understood by private sector security experts? re "Non-governmental actors can forge that kind of thing, too."
      How many workers, ex staff, former staff, third and forth party nations, their gov, mils have seen ip range changes and fake origin ip's? Recall Turmoil, Quantum Insert, FoxAcid efforts.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  20. The whole "Russian hacker" thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is getting so god damned old and long in the tooth. Nobody believed it the first time you tried, and nobody will believe it now.

  21. IT experts, American and foreign alike, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... of which there is no shortage visiting slashdot, seem to have already established and agreed that the best way to secure an election is to NOT USE COMPUTERS !!!
    How much MORE money do you want to spend to only guarantee that your system is still hackable?
    Why can't we just go with paper and count them by hand like every other ficking civilised country in the world?

    You want to point the blame at the laziness of IT experts. We are the experts, we told you that it can't be done, and you stick your fingers in your ears and tell us to nerd harder.
    Fuck off, already ... we get the election results that we deserve, and none of it is verifiable, none of it is accurate, it isn't even representative because of voter disenfranchisement and polling station "problems", so what does it fucking matter anyway ?
    It's not like the successful candidate will keep their empty promises either.
    Vote Green. Or Purple. Or polka-dotted.
    Just don't vote Red or Blue, cause then you are CERTAIN that your vote doesn't really count, because "your guy" isn't going to follow your agenda anyway.

  22. Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sure if they ask the hacker, they didn't intend to break the law.

  23. Re:Certainly the work of heroic Russian hackers . by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    (I couldn't resist - or is anybody here naÃve enough to believe that Mr. Snowden is not being, er, *asked* to help with their efforts in this regard?)

    Why would he even be useful in that regard? He accomplished what he accomplished because at the time he had access. Now he doesn't. He's only useful to Russia as a PR symbol.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  24. sounds like a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fbi trying to get people to voluntarily allow them to "image" their phones...

    run.. fast. do not look back.

    captcha: wakeup

  25. 400 pound hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fat chance!

  26. Done deal by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    Didn't Hillary have the wet works guys deal with the leaker already?

  27. COMIE MISSED DATA DEVICE DESTRUCTION STANDARDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CLINTON TOP SECRET NO DATA DEVICE DESTRUCTION SCANDAL
    I am IT tech. Last project was comprehensive computer monitoring systems. Small part of it is intrusion logging which aren't always correct & and they don't get everything. I read FBI investigation notes. Anything that dealt with classified data Must Be Destroyed and have Destruction Records to prove security was maintained until the end. Most of the devices and computer parts she used for classified documents are missing. Real amateur hour stuff & something not mentioned by FBI. Comie didn't mention the Data Device Destruction Process. The Top secret security Its worse than Goodman's assessment. Most folks aren't aware of this. Most of her devices are still readable with standard tools foreign gov't use as well. Lots of stuff not protected. No evidence of intruder logging system which help track intruders[ Russia claim dubious] Good hackers can bypass these as well. The NSA directives for destroying top security data and devices and record keeping weren't followed. Special legally specified tool and procedures are used. Need honking big shredders that reduce it small bits or burning. While liquids can short out phones and they stop working. Memory and data is fine. SD cards tough. All the data on the 18 missing phones is mostly intact. Just open it up,solder a few wires and you're in.They were hit with a Hammer. These are encased in plastic and metal. Only a lucky strike would damage it. That's why machines were designed. Those would be readable as well. No record of destruction. Law not followed for phones.There were some back up DVD's with data that were just cut in half. Again specific machines to render unreadable. Data on those cut discs is recoverable. Probably ended up in trash. No record of destruction. Law not followed. There was a portable usb hard drive with spining platters. There are some to technical for this audience methods, Disintegration and Incineration. No mention of bleachbit in NSA doc. If it had classified data it needed to be destroyed with the spec tools. No record of destruction.Law not followed Missing laptop with emails. Two different steps required for destruction. No records of destruction.Law broken. A whole bunch of machines with classified data not properly destroyed. IT staff with awareness of anything other than basic office operation security protocols. I don't blame all the IT staff. They weren't told it was Classified and given the NSA asset destruction docs. Its common IT knowledge to use shredder for CD/DVD data. A Dumpster diver at Clinton's or IT site could get classified data and easily extract. There is Shit load of secret data still out there. Now the Cover up IT operation. While the news is on the emails, these undestroyed devices with top secret data are the next part. Any gov't employee would do jail time. Gov't IT staff would know about these procedures for disposal and have staff and the equipment approved here to do. There is no mention of this by Comie. FBI IT staff do these procedures. He's basically writing the incident off as "careless" lost shit without mention of the NSA destruction procedure which has records attached to it. There are no destruction records for any Clinton stuff here which violates this law. Wacking phones with hammers and coffee failure is a breach of it. Lack of proper destruction records is dead easy to prove. I think Comie new this could result in easy to prove charges and didn't comment on it. If he didn't then he's not fit to investigations of this type. Be real funny if Clinton is taken down with this law. House oversight committee will need to deal with this as well. The Case Has been mostly FOIA based. It also has a Secure Assets destruction element not done that no one is talking about . Most the lost devices would be accessible to IT staff of foreign nations. Dumpster diving is an ancient spying tradition that Arrogant Stupids like Clinton make valuable. Given the number of devices used and useless disposal steps my guess is they would get most from her

  28. DNC leaks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Media and FBI always fails to mention insiders. Not everyone is corrupt. Internal security is weak. No internal logging. Anyone with a USB and conscience could be helping. The DNC just fessed up to rigging in financial fraud case. Republicans do bad stuff all the time and are okay with it. Assange posted bounty. They are military industrial complex. I suspect much better security from them

  29. Re:Certainly the work of heroic Russian hackers . by mmell · · Score: 0
    I would be surprised if he refused . . . and lived to tell the tale. Hell, the Russians don't even have to threaten to kill or hurt him - just offering him one-way air-fare to JFK International aboard the next Aeroflot bird smokin' west should do the trick.

    Let me guess - you're naïve enough to believe that V. Putin and Russia truly giving Snowden asylum based on strictly humanitarian reasons.

    Yes, I know that Snowden is a hero to many slashdotters (despite my assumption that most here have at least a 100 IQ) - so downmod away. Go ahead and keep telling yourself that E. Snowden has done and continues to do what he thinks is in the best interests of the US population. Only - if you intend to paint Snowden as some sort of Robin Hood sticking it to the man, you might want to have a little thing called evidence? The only concrete evidence is Snowden's betrayal of our country, ostensibly for ethical reasons. The evidence of betrayal is incontrovertible; Snowden's assertion of an overriding moral imperitive is not nearly so strongly supported by facts - indeed, the facts tend to bely him.

    SUPPORTING CITATION: Federal warrants demanding the criminal extradition for trial naming Edward Snowden as defendant.

    CONTRADICTORY CITATION: N/A

  30. I think you're wrong. by mmell · · Score: 0
    Snowden has clearly demonstrated mastery of multiple computer-related skills. We should assume cracking and vulnerability-exploiting skills are among those he has brought to the former Soviet Union. We should also assume (based on his continued asylum and continued apparent good treatment) that he is continuing to cooperate fully with his new Russian masters.

    No citations or evidence to support my viewpoint. Such a shame common sense isn't.

    1. Re:I think you're wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      No citations or evidence to support my viewpoint. Such a shame common sense isn't.

      No, it is. You've just explained why nobody is taking you seriously. There's nothing to support your viewpoint. It's common sense to ignore it until such time as there is. He's useful tp Russia even if he does nothing but speak occasionally and rile us up, keep us arguing amongst ourselves. If he gets caught being involved in espionage then he loses all credibility, and it's easy to leak information in that fashion. It makes more sense to assume that they're just using him to nettle us.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  31. Re:Certainly the work of heroic Russian hackers . by nomadic · · Score: 1

    "you're naïve enough to believe that V. Putin and Russia truly giving Snowden asylum based on strictly humanitarian reasons."

    Of course not. He's doing it to stick it to the US. I'm sure Snowden moderates what he says about Russia, but he still criticizes them.

    A warrant isn't "evidence." Snowden, whether you agree with him or not, seems to think he was doing the right thing for our country. The existence of a "moral imperative" is a subjective judgment.

  32. It's a setup to mess with elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMPORTANT NOTE: A few weeks back the u.s. 'government' proclaimed that anything which interferes with the election will cause the election process to be taken control by homeland security.

    Every 3 business days since that proclamation we have heard new information from one of the illegitimate 3-letter agencies purporting to show evidence of just such interference.

    This appears very intentional by our oligarchical police state.

    Its time that We The People take aim at the real problems.