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Vladimir Putin Is Replacing Microsoft Programs With Domestic Software (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Moscow city will replace Microsoft Corp. programs with domestic software on thousands of computers in answer to President Vladimir Putin's call for Russia's authorities to reduce dependence on foreign technology amid tensions with the U.S. and Europe. The city will initially replace Microsoft's Exchange Server and Outlook on 6,000 computers with an e-mail system installed by state-run carrier Rostelecom PJSC, Artem Yermolaev, head of information technology for Moscow, told reporters Tuesday. Moscow may expand deployment of the new software, developed by Russia's New Cloud Technologies, to as many as 600,000 computers and servers, and may also consider replacing Windows and Office, Yermolaev said. Putin is urging state entities and local companies to go domestic amid concerns over security and reliability after U.S. firms shut down paid services in Crimea following Russia's 2014 annexation. The plan poses a challenge to the likes of Microsoft, SAP SE and Oracle Corp. in the country's $3 billion software market. Adding to pressure, Putin's internet czar German Klimenko wants to raise taxes on U.S. technology companies to help Russian competitors such as Yandex NV and Mail.ru Group Ltd.

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  1. How a tyrant & dictator by vikingpower · · Score: 2, Interesting

    can unintentionally do the right things: kick Microsoft's, SAP's et al.'s ass.

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    1. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh. The likes of Schultz, Druncker and Verhofstad only dream of being Putin, and may strive to achieve some of the particular aspects of Putin's rule. Putin actually is Putin.

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    2. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by vikingpower · · Score: 2

      Replying to myself, alas. I see that the trolls and AC Putin/Trump supporters have taken over this thread. This is most unfortunate and wholly unintended.

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    3. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by gtall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? Go criticize EU governments by starting a political party. Gee, no problems doing that. Now try the same in Putin's Russia. The ghost of Stalin is alive in Putin.

    4. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh. The likes of Schultz, Druncker and Verhofstad only dream of being Putin, and may strive to achieve some of the particular aspects of Putin's rule. Putin actually is Putin.

      How the hell did this get modded 'Insightful'? Martin Schulz is a social democrat while Guy Verhofstadt and Jean-Claude Juncker are centre-right. Not exactly the kind of people who spend their days pining for an opportunity to crawl up Vlad Putin's ass. in Europe, an opportunity to crawl up Putin's ass is the wet dream of right wing xenophobes with either borderline or openly Fascist tendencies like Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, Viktor Orbán, Frauke Petry and their ilk.

    5. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by lalleglad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is actually not true.
      Putin has said that he likes Trump.
      He didn't say, but it has been implied by experts that it is because Putin thinks that Trump is a foreign state moron that he can control much easier than Clinton.

    6. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by lalleglad · · Score: 2

      I don't 'know' what Putin is thinking, but I am also not wearing a tinfoil hat, and I am also thinking that American voters in general aren't stupid, and I think that Putin knows that, too.

      And, as I think myself that Trump is a moron, also in foreign policy, and that Putin would think it is better for him to have Trump in the hot seat than Clinton, I believe it to be true.

      Out of curiosity, why do you say Trump and Hillary? Would it be the same to you to say Donald and Clinton?

    7. Re:How a tyrant & dictator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is everyone who doesn't want a new cold war with Russia a right wing xenophobe? I do not understand. Guy Verhofstadt (who is social liberal btw, thus center left) stood together with Ukrainian fascists and nationalists against a pro Russian president. I know it were not only fascists and nationalists, but I do know that someone with profile like Guy Verhofstadt should not have shown himself on the front lines. I should have simply not been in Ukraine at all nor should he have been giving openly support to some groups in Ukraine. Ukraine is a mess, and the EU can't simply annex it. Ukraine will have even more problems to fights its internal corruption than other Eastern European states.

      Ukraine is not a normal country. It is a diverse country with many nationalities, among who Russians are a large minority. When you look at 20th century history you can see that Crimea for example was placed under Kiev control in the 50's or 60's in the USSR because it was easier to govern. At that time they didn't think that the USSR would implode 30 years later. I can understand why Putin wants the Crimea back. They annexed it in the 18th century and successfully defended it against the Ottomans and the British and French Empires. It probably is a symbolic price for the Russians that was 'given away' by the former communists. And error that had to be corrected. That doesn't mean I support what Putin did, I don't like how he took Crimea with a false referendum. But I do understand his motives, the importance of Crimea for defense and why the average Russian might see this annexation as 'the right thing' to do.

      But what does the West do? They just start another cold war. What does this lead to? Russian donations to destabilizing, populist parties. Without the anti Russian trade blocks, we would have had less problems with those people you seem to hate so much.

      I don't hate the people who are stupid(?), ignorant(?) or just convinced pro Russian (although I do not understand why they would), but I hate the ideas of those parties and I'm fully aware of their connections with Putin. That's why I'm against a new cold war. Not because I'm right wing xenophobe, but because I want to get rid of the feeding ground of this "right wing xenophobism". Just ignore what Putin does and trade with Russian companies directly. Ukraine can be helped, without promising potential EU membership and with respecting Russia's wishes to not invite them in the NATO. I understand why Putin feels threatened when a big European neighbor, enters an anti Russian military organization.

      I'm personally completely depressed by our European leaders who keep on embracing Turkey as a democratic nation that should be allowed in the EU as fast as possible, while Erdogan is not much better than Putin. Both are in my opinion equally bad. I would never vote for a party that is openly against Russia and pro new cold war tactics, while ignoring a maybe bigger threat of the new Ottoman empire. Russia only stood in Berlin to liberate Europe from the Fascists and because they were attacked first. The Ottomans stood in Vienna several times to conquer Europe and bring it under Islamic rule, while they sponsored centuries of white Christian slavery that depopulated vast amounts of coastal areas from Spain over southern France around Italy to the Greek lands. And without any reason but Islamic imperialism.

      No I don't want a cold war with Russia. Just a cool friendly relationship with respect for each other and some criticism that doesn't lead to boycotts when we don't agree on an issue. I want the same relationship with Turkey. Let those countries rule themselves and stop them on your own borders including the financial support from Russia to those 'extreme right' parties. In a cool friendly relationship you can gently ask to stop. In the current cold war this is no longer possible.

  2. So in Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...domestic software replaces YOU, mr. Nadella ?!?

  3. This will cost Microsoft a fortune by spywhere · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're going to lose the revenue from both of the Office licenses used by the Russian government...

    1. Re:This will cost Microsoft a fortune by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

      I am only aware of this one... gc6j3-gtq62-fp876-94fbr-d3dx8

      Is there another one?

      (Seriously, it's an Office 2000 licence number, I typed it so often, I still remember it...)

    2. Re:This will cost Microsoft a fortune by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, due to a mishap in bureaucracy, accidentally two different offices ordered a license. The responsible official has been relocated to Sibiria for extended education.

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    3. Re:This will cost Microsoft a fortune by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Please, that was the barbaric times of the Stalinist era we left behind us. Today we are a modern society where we reeducate people instead of just punishing them.

      Admittedly, sometimes reeducation takes 25 years, especially when we're short on workers in Sibiria.

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  4. They'll come crawling back by Guyle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once the average Russian gets tired of their homegrown software crapping out on them they'll be begging for their Windows 98 workstations back.

    1. Re:They'll come crawling back by houghi · · Score: 2

      They will just reopen the gulags untill it works.

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    2. Re:They'll come crawling back by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the gulag IS Windows 10.

    3. Re:They'll come crawling back by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Informative

      This has happened many times in many countries. The problem is, they didn't choose Linux because it is superior to Windows, they chose it only because Linux is not a product of an American company.

      There certainly are many good reasons to dislike the U.S. and American companies, but, business decisions made out of spite rarely work out well.

      Come back when you have any evidence for your claim that the Linux migrations didn't work out well. The millions of dollars that Munich and France and Brazil boast about saving means there's a pretty heft burden of proof.

    4. Re:They'll come crawling back by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only in the Russian Reversal. In the free world, Windows 10 IS the gulag.

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    5. Re:They'll come crawling back by Archtech · · Score: 2

      This has happened many times in many countries. The problem is, they didn't choose Linux because it is superior to Windows, they chose it only because Linux is not a product of an American company.

      There certainly are many good reasons to dislike the U.S. and American companies, but, business decisions made out of spite rarely work out well.

      Come back when you have evidence for your claim that "they didn't choose Linux because it is superior to Windows, they chose it only because Linux is not a product of an American company".

      In many cases the decision to switch to FOSS was made on general philosophical grounds. Since as much as possible about the process of government should be transparent, the software used by government should also be available for the citizen to inspect and study - should she wish to do so.

      There were also other general considerations such as avoiding license costs and greatly reducing support costs, and completely cutting out all the expensive and restrictive bureaucracy involved in licence administration.

      Oh, and many people are becoming very wary of the likelihood that American software contains backdoors or other means by which information may be surreptitiously collected, and possibly handed over to US and other government agencies.

      None of those reasons has anything to do with the desire to avoid an American manufacturer, as such.

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    6. Re:They'll come crawling back by toadlife · · Score: 2

      Their software works fine for me. Maybe the problem is you.

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    7. Re:They'll come crawling back by Archtech · · Score: 2

      So, we have a blanket statement about the situation in many foreign countries, unaccompanied by any citations or sources, and posted by an AC.

      Well, I'm convinced.

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  5. Come on baby by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let it be called KremLinux and all is forgiven!

    1. Re:Come on baby by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let it be called KremLinux and all is forgiven!

      KremLinux is for losers. I'm going with KGBSD.

    2. Re:Come on baby by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

      Let it be called KremLinux and all is forgiven!

      KremLinux is for losers. I'm going with KGBSD.

      So let me get this straight ... In Putin's Russia, is it KremLinux or KGBSD that watches YOU? ... or is it both? ... I'm confused now ...

    3. Re:Come on baby by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

      Got another distro that's way more in depth. it's called KGBDSM.

  6. Suprise by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only surprise here is that Moscow was using Microsoft software at all. That sounds insane.

  7. Let me foresee what will happen... by LostMonk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me foresee what will happen... Putin will replace Microsoft programs with ripped off open-source software with minor UI and major back-doors updates;
    Then, with great patriotic pride, will pronounce the motherland's major step towards cleansing itself from western spying and corruption.

    1. Re:Let me foresee what will happen... by guestapoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Base on RT's article, the replacement is MyOffice, a cloud-based, similar to Office 365, running on browsers or as standalone applications for Window, Android, iOS.

    2. Re:Let me foresee what will happen... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It may surprise you to know that the Russians can and do write their own original software, some of it quite good. It's actually quite common, because even today support for non-Latin languages in western software can be quite poor. Japan and China also produce their own high quality office software and input translation utilities (for entering their languages using slightly modified QWERTY keyboards).

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    3. Re:Let me foresee what will happen... by dingleberrie · · Score: 2

      Who knows... maybe they already have all the Microsoft source code.
      There are state sponsored hackers, right?

    4. Re:Let me foresee what will happen... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      So, in Russia, software spies on YOU?

      Uh... where exactly is the reversal?

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    5. Re:Let me foresee what will happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that a good part of the software sold by western companies is written by russian programmers. Seriously I am ashamed to be part of the tech community, because of the incredible stupidity and ignorance so-called "intelligent people" on forums like this show everytime in relation to Russia. And it is no surprise a lot of them live in "brainwashed" America.

  8. Took them long to start building something of for by dr.Flake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    themselves,

    Would you feel comfortable if the White House, Wallstreet, DOD, DOJ, Police, Universities and Congress ran a complete Chinese software stack? Chinese routers, OS, Firewalls, Office, Mail, antivirus, etc etc.?

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  9. I wouldn't be too suprised by sasparillascott · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft probably works with every government they sell their software into as far as spying on their citizens etc. (it only makes business sense since these guys control market access and Microsoft has never been a company to quibble over morals) - so I'm sure Microsoft and Mr. Putin's Russia were great partners up till now.

    Now Putin may be wary that Microsoft gives preferential treatment to the NSA (since we know they worked closely with them before thanks to Snowden) etc. or he may just be doing this for domestic consumption (he appears to do alot of this) since their economy is in a tailspin.

  10. Investing in your country by DatbeDank · · Score: 2

    This is called investing in your country and people. America, its government, and its corporations should take note.

  11. Understanding the Vulnerabilities by lazarus · · Score: 2

    It makes perfect sense to remove the same systems you target in other countries from your own server farms and run proprietary systems that are less widely known and understood.

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  12. Re:Took them long to start building something of f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if they ran on a set of hardware manufactured in China? That would be even worse!

  13. Absolute common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All countries should do this. Use open standards to exchange information with other countries/businesses and develop their own software. Having local operating systems/programs helps expand local computing knowledge and lessens the likelihood of data theft via back doors etc.

    As an added benefit people would be forced to start exchanging data in open formats or their partners/customers simply won't be able to read the data.

    I's a healthy idea.

  14. Ternary computing too? by robinsonne · · Score: 2

    Come on Putin, as long as we're rebuilding the Soviet Union, bring ternary computing back for a second go-round!

  15. Re:Trans-Pacific Partnership will hurt them then a by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    So the end of the communism did not end the shortage of toilet paper?

    For our non-Soviet friends: TP was in notorious short supply during the final days of the communist rule, which led to a lot of amusing anecdotes and jokes like:

    Party Speaker: Comrades! In 5 years, everyone will have a car!
    Listener: And when are we going to get toilet paper?
    PS: And comrades! In 10 years, everyone will have his own little house!
    L: But ... the toilet paper?
    PS (outraged): KISS MY ASS! (literally: lick me in the asshole)
    L: As usual. For themselves, the party has a solution, but for us...

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  16. Re:Suggested name: Putinux by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    Except that Linus is the first name, while Putin is the family name. So it should be more like Vlad the Compiler.

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  17. Next: ReactOS replacing Windows by unixisc · · Score: 2

    can unintentionally do the right things: kick Microsoft's, SAP's et al.'s ass.

    While it's a good first step, Russia should do the world a service on the OS front by backing efforts to make ReactOS a full fledged OS. Have 2 flavors - a win64 version that's fully compatible w/ Windows 7, and a win32 version that's fully compatible w/ XP. Make sure that Classic Shell runs on it, or better still, make it a part of the shell so that people can pick whichever UI they wanna work in.

  18. Chinese/Muslim preferences by unixisc · · Score: 2

    I could see Russia, but why would China, Iran or any Islamic entity want Trump to win? China would stand to lose big if they can no longer sell to the US, and if Trump follows through on his extreme vetting moves to stop hostile Muslims from coming into the US, ISIS and AQ have no reason to rejoice either. The last 3 have probably just said it hoping to apply reverse psychology on the US voters

    1. Re:Chinese/Muslim preferences by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      I could see Russia, but why would China, Iran or any Islamic entity want Trump to win?

      Because they don't like Hillary? She was always the war hawkiest of Obama's cabinet. Trump has yet to show any diplomatic competency, and his fans just lap up his nonsense that he's "the best" with no proof.

      China would stand to lose big if they can no longer sell to the US

      China has the US's balls in a vice, not selling to the US will hurt China, but it will hurt the US far FAR more.

      if Trump follows through on his extreme vetting moves to stop hostile Muslims from coming into the US, ISIS and AQ have no reason to rejoice either.

      ISIS's and al Queda's motivations are not difficult to figure out; they've been pretty honest in what they want: to drive a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims. They dislike "moderate Muslims" in general, and feel like those who do not fight to pull down non-Muslim societies are traitors. Absolutely they are happy with Trump's tarring of Muslims and calls for Muslim travel restrictions. They YEARN for a horrible war.