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BlackBerry Says It's Done Designing and Building Its Own Phones (theverge.com)

BlackBerry today reported its fiscal second-quarter sales and said that it will stop making its iconic smartphones and focus on its software business. The Verge adds: BlackBerry has announced that it plans to stop making its own phones as the struggling company continues to focus on its software and security products. This is far from the end of BlackBerry devices, the production of which will be outsourced to third-party manufacturers -- as was the case with the company's recent DTEK 50, a clone of Alcatel's Idol 4 with BlackBerry branding. "The company plans to end all internal hardware development and will outsource that function to partners," said CEO John Chen in a statement. Elsewhere he stated: "We are reaching an inflection point with our strategy. Our financial foundation is strong, and our pivot to software is taking hold." This isn't surprising news considering BlackBerry's ongoing struggle in the mobile market. According to estimates from Gartner, the company claimed just 0.1 percent of the market in the second quarter, equating to sales of some 400,400 units. The last BlackBerry phone manufactured by the company was the Priv, the company's first Android-powered device, released November last year.

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  1. An announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That surprised almost no one. Except the last guy in my office who still uses a BB.

    1. Re:An announcement by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      That surprised almost no one. Except the last guy in my office who still uses a BB.

      I'd just filed my thumbnails to points to be able to use the keyboard you insensitive clod

  2. It's a shame. by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like my Z10 and Z30. I really like BB OS 10. I love the way messages are organized in "Blackberry Hub"

    But if Blackberry is moving to an OS they don't write, on hardware they don't design or build - is there any reason to buy their stuff any more?

    Sad. I've had a Blackberry in my pocket since the 5790, a three line pager with the iconic keyboard. :(

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    1. Re:It's a shame. by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'll keep my Passport until it dies - if not, they'll have to pry it from cold, dead fingers. Blackberry Hub is making my corporate life sooooo much simpler !

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    2. Re:It's a shame. by epiphani · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thankfully, they've ported the hub (and other tools such as the virtual keyboard) to android, and they're available on the play store. I've been using them for some time now - and the $1/month subscription fee is quite reasonable for what it gives me. I love the blackberry virtual keyboard, and the hub is far better than any other alternative that I've seen.

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    3. Re:It's a shame. by freshmaker13 · · Score: 1

      2003 is calling and wants its phone back. Also, time to put down that Cobal text book and start brushing up on your Go...

    4. Re:It's a shame. by chucklebutte · · Score: 0

      The Hub on Andud fucking sucks and has no where near the capabilities of BB10, also wtf they charge for the Andud version? A buck a month? lol gtfo with that nonsense.

      I love BB10, fucking hate my shitty AT&T Passport. Wish I had a Z30. Just grabbed an iPhone however so when the Passport dies, I'll be okay.

    5. Re:It's a shame. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      I switched to the Priv (Android) as a gentle introduction to a reality I'd ultimately have to accept. Of course I immediately noticed that:
      - The Passport got better cellular reception
      - The Passport had much better battery life
      - The Passport was much better at multitasking
      - The Passport never got laggy

      However, the Priv ran all the "official" versions of the software everyone wants you to be running these days... and at the end of the day, that's unfortunately all that matters.
      (Yes, I'm aware of the BB10 Android Runtime, but it became increasingly unusable as Google Play service dependencies increased, plus keeping things updated was a pain.)

    6. Re:It's a shame. by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Yes - there's a reason. They've bought various bits of kit like Good Enterprise etc. which work well for keeping people on corporate email, intranet access, IM chats etc.. They also have server products for security, though to be honest I know a lot less of those.

      For a consumer, can't think of a reason. For a business looking for good BYOD-style options, yes - there's some decent stuff done by them.

    7. Re:It's a shame. by williamyf · · Score: 1

      But if Blackberry is moving to an OS they don't write, on hardware they don't design or build - is there any reason to buy their stuff any more?

      As long as some of those outsourced OS they don't write on Hardware they don't design or build combos has a physical keyboard, count me in.

      I have a friend who is daltonic, and is enthusiastic about the iPhone 7 because of the filters for the colour blind. I have a essential tremor, and I need a physical Keyboard, I do not care about brand or OS. Just about Phisical Keyboard, specs and Build Quality. And, so far, only blackberry makes those (other brands make physical keyboard phones, but the specs are krap).

      The BB10 in my Q10 is cool, but I would actually preffer Android (chromecast app and some other apps not present in BBworld or amazon app store).

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    8. Re:It's a shame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pity,

      Android sucks, that leaves iOS.

    9. Re:It's a shame. by cshay · · Score: 1

      FWIW I was never able to get the hub working on the BB Priv. Seems to be a problem, at least on Verizon.

    10. Re:It's a shame. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      monthly OS updates and the custom blackberry software are worth it, priv and dtek50 were the first devices with patches for quadrooter and the secured boot process also mitigated the damage quadrooter could do even prior to patching.

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    11. Re:It's a shame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hub on Andud fucking sucks and has no where near the capabilities of BB10, also wtf they charge for the Andud version? A buck a month? lol gtfo with that nonsense.

      I love BB10, fucking hate my shitty AT&T Passport. Wish I had a Z30. Just grabbed an iPhone however so when the Passport dies, I'll be okay.

      Android sucks balls compared to my Classic. I've been dealing with a Nexus 5 for work for about 1 year. I give up, I'm not buying any more phones- people can send me an email and I'll get it when I'm home.

  3. Our financial foundation is strong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    1. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      the results for this quarter were clearer: a net loss of $372 million on revenue of $334 million.

      So, for every dollar of revenue, they spent that dollar, plus more than more than another dollar. If that's the definition of a strong financial foundation, give me your credit cards and I'll make you WONDERFULLY strong. They must be using graduates from the Trump University's school of accounting.

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    2. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Informative

      the results for this quarter were clearer: a net loss of $372 million on revenue of $334 million.

      So, for every dollar of revenue, they spent that dollar, plus more than more than another dollar. If that's the definition of a strong financial foundation, give me your credit cards and I'll make you WONDERFULLY strong. They must be using graduates from the Trump University's school of accounting.

      They have, according to their balance sheet, $3 Billion in cash and short-term investments and about $3 Billion in liabilities, half of which is long-term debt. So, they aren't going bankrupt for at least 5 years with the current burn rate. I'm guessing that dropping in house development of phones will reduce the burn rate quite a bit. So, their financial foundation would be considered solid for at least the next couple of years. However, if they don't return the company to profitability within that time, things could get worse.

      Note: The above is purely my opinion. I am not a financial analyst.

    3. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is more like Hillary saying Lowering Taxes delayed the recovery, and she is going to tax us more, so they can spend more. Because taxing people in a recession is a great way to get us out of recession.

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    4. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The above is purely my opinion. I am not a financial analyst.

      You are absolutely correct. While they are burning money now, they have enough assets to last though this bit of a rough patch. And, if they sell off any patents they don't actually need (Hardware) to someone, they can add to their liquidity.

      The fact is, there are plenty of /. "experts" who don't know shit about running a large enterprise business, but think they do. Mom N Pop doesn't scale, and far too many IT people live in that world (and make a good living at it)

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    5. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      The reality is that they've been overstating cash flow for a while, using asset sales to maintain a positive cash flow. Revenues have been in the dumps for years, and BB has largely been living off the large cash reserves it accumulated during the boom years of its business. They should have shuttered the windows a long time ago and returned the investors the cash, but they had managed to turn BB into some sort of weird stock cult, and had legions of idiots running around declaring "any day now, BB is going to take off again" even as the stock plummeted.

      BB has been dead for seven years now, it's just that there was enough cash in the bank to keep the corpse twitching.

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    6. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by Maxwell · · Score: 2

      The reality is you are hopelessly wrong. They had +257M cash flow from Operations last fiscal. Their investments cash flow (which is where asset selling/purchasing would occur) was down 439M - ie they invested MORE in assets then they sold. They have been buying assets with cash. Buying. Not selling. They have a profitable software business. They are out of the unprofitable hardware business, good for them. They will wind up like Novell - once dominant, nearly wiped out, but still chugging along as multi-billion dollar business.

    7. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Long-term debt usually comes with caveats. Share price, profitability, minimum revenue, etc. Also, according to their 1Q 2017 filing (you read that right, 2017) their cash on and and short-term (relatively liquid) assets is $2.5 billion (they sold off $416 million in short-term assets in the 3-month period). They also recorded long-term asset impairment of just over $500 million. Their actual long-term debt is $1.253 billion, and total debt is $2.171 billion.

      Shareholder equity now stands at $2.554 billion (a loss of $801 million in the quarter), but some of the assets included in that are questionable. They're still evaluating goodwill at $562 million, which is ridiculous (and that's after taking a $46 million charge). And inventory of $127 million. Seriously, orphaned stock is not worth wholesale prices.

      How many quarters will it take to wipe out shareholders? At this rate, they have 1 year. Will they go broke? No, they'll keep evaluating goodwill at an inflated level, they'll keep the unsold inventory on the books, and cross their fingers that some corporate activist doesn't say "You know, they should liquidate now, before all shareholder value is lost, and return any money to the shareholders." The only reason that's not going to happen is that an actual liquidation would come up negative after all creditors are taken over.

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    8. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Their latest filing states $562 million goodwill as an asset. Do you really believe it? They tried to sell themselves off when they had more money in the bank and there were no bites.

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    9. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They still have $127 of inventory on the books even after taking a $41 million charge in the quarter. How much is that going to be worth now that it's orphaned? Between that and the hallucinatory goodwill of $562 million, their shareholder equity is still down by $809 million. Where are all those assets they bought? If they had invested more in assets than they sold, those assets would have to show up as assets on the balance sheet somewhere. They don't.

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    10. Re:Our financial foundation is strong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      No, no it's not. Invalid analogy. The OP's works better.

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  4. Good riddance by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BlackBerry should've died the moment their CEO schizophrenically boasted about how they let law enforcement pry into BlackBerry devices while simultaneously denying that there's a backdoor.

    1. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which CEO?

    2. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the visceral hatred of law enforcement?

      I'm more concerned about what Google/Facebook does with information selling to anyone for profit. But law enforcement? Really?

    3. Re:Good riddance by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      I have nothing against law enforcement. But they should not be able to access my private, encrypted phone without my permission, any more than hackers or robbers should. BlackBerry thinks differently and that's why their stock is at about $2 a share.

    4. Re:Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more concerned about what Google/Facebook does with information selling to anyone for profit. But law enforcement? Really?

      Google and Facebook can't suddenly decide I'm demonstrating incorrect thought and flashbang my baby, shoot my dog, and cart my girlfriend off to Gitmo.

      "But, but, that doesn't happen here! We're different!!"

      Go and tell it to interned Japanese. There's a reason it's so damned uncommon (in spite of seeming otherwise) in the history of the US - and it's because traditionally, we made law enforcement actually do their fucking jobs.

  5. Nope by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    "This is far from the end of BlackBerry devices..."

    I suspect it's not that far.

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    1. Re:Nope by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      At 0.1% market share, couldn't we say they are already dead?

    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is far from the end of BlackBerry devices..."

      I suspect it's not that far.

      Yes it is... but viewed from the _other side_. Sad, I liked BB, but it was a long time ago.

  6. Thank the Canadian Mounties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "BlackBerry CEO John Chen has responded, ... to media reports that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police force has used a “global encryption key” to intercept and decrypt over one million “electronic communications on BlackBerry devices (Pin to Pin messaging)” between 2010 and 2012.... “When it comes to doing the right thing in difficult situations, BlackBerry’s guiding principle has been to do what is right for the citizenry, within legal and ethical boundaries,” writes Chen. “We have long been clear in our stance that tech companies as good corporate citizens should comply with reasonable lawful access requests. I have stated before that we are indeed in a dark place when companies put their reputations above the greater good.”

    http://www.cantechletter.com/2016/04/blackberry-ceo-john-chen-confirms-rcmp-cooperation/

    So, any idea that you will get to challenge any search warrant for your data goes out the window. People like Chan will be good citizens and hand over the encryption key without challenge, in secret, behind your back, and behind the backs of the courts, for the greater good of citizenry. And of course with no limits, since that key covers all his customers, not just Canadian ones, not just in Canada, not just the few involved in this investigation, the Mounties took millions of messages.

    And do any of the people wrongly investigated get to learn about the messages they took? Or the legal basis? No? Thank you Chen, I can't wait to not buy your next employers products.

    1. Re:Thank the Canadian Mounties by jofas · · Score: 1

      This news is old AF. Not to mention everyone should have taken a clue from BlackBerry caving in to Iran and giving them their own encryption scheme with the keys to go with it.

  7. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just what we need, more Android phones!

    Am I the only one who remembers QNX? They used to have a decent desktop OS for x86 that booted on a Pentium II 450mhz/128MB machine in about 45 seconds. It had a full fledged GUI (Photon), and was approaching BeOS levels of speed. From what I've seen of the kernel source, it's pretty well written too.

    What did Blackberry do with it?

    Well, they turned it into a tablet OS that took 5+ minutes to boot up on a 1ghz processor with 1GB of RAM.

    How did they fuck that up so badly? Why haven't they revisited QNX and either used what they already have (instead of their own half assed GUI slapped on top of that)? Why did they just give up and switch to Android?

    More importantly, what do they have to offer in a sea of Android devices? Are they going to give Android the same treatment they did for QNX, and turn it into a bloated steaming pile of junk?

    1. Re:Great. by jofas · · Score: 2

      two things:

      1. they tried to compete with the app-store model, got in too late, and got fucked

      2. they failed to bail out of making devices after the BBOS 9, where it was already not profitable, and focus on their excellent corporate control

    2. Re:Great. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      QNX's problem is that it isn't the only RTOS out there. Vxworks is probably the biggest player on the scene.

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    3. Re:Great. by Octorian · · Score: 1

      System requirements (and boot time) aside, the BB10 incarnation of QNX actually ran really well.
      (I see the "Tablet OS" as more of a tech demonstrator, that didn't really live long once BB10 was out.)

      The problem is that they stopped putting real effort into marketing the devices (and designing new ones) about 6 months post-launch, and just coasted on inertia (and existing plans, half of them canceled) since. Once those existing projects reached completion, and the momentum fell off... well here we are.

    4. Re:Great. by sl3xd · · Score: 2

      Am I the only one who remembers QNX? They used to have a decent desktop OS for x86 that booted on a Pentium II 450mhz/128MB machine in about 45 seconds. It had a full fledged GUI (Photon), and was approaching BeOS levels of speed. From what I've seen of the kernel source, it's pretty well written too.

      What did Blackberry do with it?

      Blackberry bought QNX because they had a ton of cash, and the original BBOS wasn't up to competing with iOS or Android. They to differentiate themselves with a modern proprietary OS -- ruling out any third party OS (Palm's WebOS, Windows Phone, Android, Maemo, etc.)

      QNX fit the requirements well, so it was used as a basis for BB10 (much like GNU/Linux was the basis for WebOS, and to a much lesser extent, Android).

      QNX is a Blackberry subsidiary, and continues to heavily develop and sell QNX and its entire ecosystem. QNX is used heavily in the automotive and medical industries. Many Android Audio and Apple CarPlay stereos use QNX as the base OS. My own car's stereo unit uses QNX.

      I wouldn't be surprised if QNX sales have been a major force that kept Blackberry from oblivion.

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    5. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even 45 seconds is about 40 seconds too long today.

  8. It's a sad day for us Canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know why they couldn't just continue to make Android devices with Blackberry features. The quality of their cellphone and software was superb compared to most Android device manufactures. I highly doubt that selling QNX can make as much money as selling smart phones.

    1. Re:It's a sad day for us Canadians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, their phones were buggy, their encryption was backdoored, and they handed the key to the encryption FOR EVERYONE to a 5 eyes country for ONE investigation. There's zero doubt that key went to every 5 eyes partner and Blackberry messages were read and captured by all of them. The million or two messages they admit to, will be the tip of the iceberg.

      Which in turn means every password to every account sent on Blackberry is in a 5 eyes database. So all those passwords to all those servers sent using Blackberry devices are now compromised, and all those accounts compromised awell.

      And that's even before we get to the hacking. Do you think the Canadian Mounties kept Blackberry's encryption key safe from hackers and unfriendly foreign governments? Nah. It wouldn't surprise me if Blackberry had handed that key to Russia, China, Syria itself even, simply to comply with legal requirements around the world in every little trumped up dictatorship.

      All those democracies based on privacy of their lawmakers, all those judges compromised, those civil servants compromised.

      Fuck u Chen. Good riddance Blackberry.

  9. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The market said you are done building phones.

  10. The death of the Candybar QWERTY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Looks like I'll be keeping my Q10 until it dies. I was really hoping they'd produce a non-slider Android with a physical keyboard before throwing in the towel.

    1. Re:The death of the Candybar QWERTY by Octorian · · Score: 1

      I'm still wondering what the Android-land replacement for the Q10 is.
      My wife is still using a Q10, and doesn't really know what to switch to. And yes, she hates typing on touchscreens.
      I personally switched from the Passport to the Priv, but the Priv is a bit to big for her (and the battery would likely die on her too quickly).

    2. Re:The death of the Candybar QWERTY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only replacement I've found is that Samsung has a QWERTY keyboard cover for the Note, covers up a third of the screen and seems like it would snag on things if placed in a purse or pocket.

  11. Just In Time! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    cuz folks are just about done buying them!

  12. Make a decent addon keyboard. by kenj123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish blackberry would create a decent keyboard tightly integrated with a protective case to add to my android or iPhone. I miss physical phone keyboards very much.

    1. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by HBI · · Score: 2

      They sued that add-on out of existence.

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    2. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I will not miss the tiny buttons on a Blackberry Keyboard. Once I learned to Swype, it was like a dream come true.

      And if I can learn to Swype, anyone can. I have a big time small motor control problem with my hands, so typing on screen is only slightly worse than typing on little keyboards. Swype is much easier than trying finger type.

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    3. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by kenj123 · · Score: 2

      can you swype without looking at the keyboard and see where your finger is? I can thumb type without looking at the keyboard. 100% of my focus is on the content I'm typing, not what my fingers are doing. your motor skill problem could make you an exception. If you can point out a youtube video showing a good usecase for swype I would appreciate it.

    4. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      So they own some ridiculous patent like using physical keys on any mobile device or some shit?

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    5. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by HBI · · Score: 1

      Design patent on the BB keyboard I believe. So no matter how much you liked it, unless they produce or license the product, you're not getting one.

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    6. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, Blackberry could become a keyboard manufacturer and probably lose less money.

    7. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by kenj123 · · Score: 1

      they could lease the technology to somebody and make some money.

    8. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I miss them too. But I wouldn't buy one from the FBI even if it was the only one.

      Oh did I say FBI, I meant Blackberry. But really what's the difference anymore.

    9. Re:Make a decent addon keyboard. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Old BB user here. The lack of physical kybd was my biggest worry with the new stuff. Once I got used to it, which didn't take too long, the soft kybd worked pretty well. I can type faster.

      Let's say I go to type the word "project". I start pr, and if I use "project" a lot, over the "o" will be "project", which I just swipe up and there it is. I'm quick, so often I'll have already typed the "o". In that case, "project" floats over the "j", ready for me to swipe up. And, if "protect" is a common word of mine, I'll also see "protect" floating over the "t", also. Fat-fingering *maybe* happens a little more often, but I'm not sure.

      This does mean, though, that one has to look at the keyboard, so ymmv. Generally, I find the soft kybd responds well to my thumbs, and it didn't take very long to get used to it. Maybe after a month(?) I was typing faster than on a phys kybd.

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  13. Very sad by Tyler7 · · Score: 1

    very sad, that BlaskBerry losing their popularity. It was a good alternative to the iPhone, but at this point Apple has gone far away in smartphone technology. Hopefully in the future Blackberry can still return their smartphones on the market

    1. Re:Very sad by sucko · · Score: 0

      not one of these things is true.

    2. Re:Very sad by Tyler7 · · Score: 1

      Why not? it's my opinion

    3. Re:Very sad by acoustix · · Score: 2

      Why not? it's my opinion

      It was never an alternative to the iPhone. BlackBerry almost invented the smartphone market.

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    4. Re: Very sad by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Because facts state that Blackberry was dominant until the iPhone came out. The iPhone changed everything and blackberry never recovered.

    5. Re:Very sad by jofas · · Score: 1

      well, your opinion seems to be based solely on itself with no outside fact-checking.

      Blackberry has been circling the drain since 2010. They have been surpassed by nearly every other device maker in almost all areas from build quality to software capability. Not only will Blackberry not "return their smartphones on the market", but they will be gone altogether within 5 years.

      Not sure what you're getting on about with the Apple smartphone technology thing.

    6. Re:Very sad by theinfamousgeek · · Score: 1

      Why not? it's my opinion

      It was never an alternative to the iPhone. BlackBerry almost invented the smartphone market.

      Blackberry made it's mark in it's earlier years, and at the time was a really good phone, but due to a drop in user base, a lack in device innovation, and market decline the Blackberry has run it's course.

    7. Re:Very sad by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      If Blackberry bought something like Discord (or Slack), and integrated it with their corporate support software/systems (BBM for example), it could dominate one area of Smartphones, especially if they figure out how to secure the IM platform with good encryption end to end.

      The problem is, that everyone is looking to get into the IM field now, from Google (Allo) to Facebook (Slack/FB for work). Google only has a slight lead, and only because it is huge. FB is such a "no touch" to many corporations that that is going to be a tough sell.

      I am not sure how Blackberry could pull this off, but the one thing just about everyone loved was BBM, the problem was keeping it tied to the BB platform relegated it to "I'll give up BBM for better Smartphone (iPhone/Android) with a better ecosystem."

      Blackberry thought it was invincible, and it is that hubris that caused it to make a series of really stupid moves over a long period of time. It survived only because it was a behemoth when the first mosquito bit it. It is dying now that it has been all but sucked dry.

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    8. Re:Very sad by jofas · · Score: 1

      BlackBerry had much deeper problems than "integrating group chat". IM is a long-dead horse.

      Besides, BBM has been available for Android and iOS for a long time; that has not saved it.

    9. Re:Very sad by sootman · · Score: 1

      What kind of linguistic game are you trying to play? Yes, it existed before the iPhone, but the day the iPhone was released, BlackBerry became an alternative. And it was especially an "alternative" once the iPhone started outselling it. Which, considering BlackBerry had an 8 year headstart, happened pretty quickly. http://www.businessinsider.com...

      "Alternative" simply means "If I want to buy an iPhone, is there something else available I can buy instead?"

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    10. Re:Very sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it did. then the iphone passed it. Not just in apps - but for me it was the lack of a usable web browser. the blackberry one sucked, the iphone one didn't, so i got an iphone.

      bb10 is good - but it came to late.

  14. This sounds familiar... by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

    ...probably because it's precisely what I've been saying they should do since the first android hit the shelves. They were outclassed, but they had a great corporate security reputation. They should have ditched the hardware and partnered up with an android maker to provide a corporate secure device, complete with the software backend.

    Instead, they sat around pretending their market position could never be threatened, and consequently got left in the dust.

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    1. Re:This sounds familiar... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but they had a great corporate security reputation

      Emphasis.

      Even if they followed your approach it wouldn't have mattered. They pissed their corporate security reputation against the wall. That was before actions this year show that absolutely nothing Blackberry is safe from any governments.

    2. Re:This sounds familiar... by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Wrong reputation.

      The C*O types would have lined up to throw money at BB had they made any serious software/hardware security collaborations. C*O types don't really care much about governmental meddling. Hell, as we can see from earlier stories, they don't really care about security in general; as long as lip service is paid to security, they're thrilled to write those checks.

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  15. Not sad at all by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It was a good alternative to the iPhone, but at this point Apple has gone far away in smartphone technology.

    That hasn't been true for a long time if indeed it ever was true. Not just with regard to Apple either. Android phones surpassed Blackberry phones a long time ago as well. Heck even Microsoft's offering are arguably better even if they haven't been well received in the market.

    Hopefully in the future Blackberry can still return their smartphones on the market

    "Hopefully"? Why hopefully? They were an arrogant and stagnant company with products that couldn't keep up with the competition. They threw the privacy and security of their users under the bus to cater to governments around the world. While I certainly welcome more competition in smartphones I don't think it can or should come from Blackberry.

  16. 100% done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BlackBerry Says It's Done...

  17. Software? Really? by Latentius · · Score: 1

    I find this decision difficult to understand. I was forced to get a BlackBerry for work, ended up with a Z30. The hardware seems decent, but the absolute worst thing has always been the software. It's like the people designing the OS have never used a smartphone before. I can see the potential usefulness in some of the software for some people, but as a whole I consider their software to be their weakest point. I only have to charge this thing once a week, because I hate using it so much (ugh, remind me again why I was forced to get this thing).

    1. Re:Software? Really? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I find this decision difficult to understand. I was forced to get a BlackBerry for work, ended up with a Z30. The hardware seems decent, but the absolute worst thing has always been the software.

      I've heard that the corporate side for controlling, monitoring, and updating remote handsets is very good - and this is who they mostly sell it to.

    2. Re:Software? Really? by Maxwell · · Score: 2

      Yes. My users love the Z30/passport software, the HUB, the calendar and email management, intelligent CC'ing, intelligent meeting mode, quick notification for late meetings, quick delete of read messages it is all very well thought out. As a productivity tool it blows everything else out of the water. You can't play your games on it, sorry.

    3. Re:Software? Really? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      They're moving away from mobile and into other things software wise.

      In fact, Blackberry signed a contract for real-time trailer tracking. Real-time truck tracking is common, but usually it's only the tractor that's actually got the GPS unit and tracker.

      Blackberry's new device is a box that screws into the trailer and provides monitoring of the trailer itself, as well as interior sensor for monitoring temperature (critical for reefer trucks). Given trailer theft is extremely common, it's a niche that surprisingly wasn't fulfilled. It apparently installs in about 10 minutes and is self-powered, so it can be added to every trailer you have, and requires no interaction with the driver. (Traditional truck-trackers require significant installation in the cab - GPS antennas, tracker devices, engine monitoring, potential two-way communicator, etc)

    4. Re:Software? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot of entrants in the trailer tracking market. Blackberry is very late to the contest, but good luck to them.

    5. Re:Software? Really? by Latentius · · Score: 1

      I almost never play games, so that's not an issue, though it would be nice to have at least one decent browser for the platform. As for the Hub, I see the appeal of the concept, but the app itself doesn't impress me. I don't use multiple accounts with it (though my coworkers that do seem to have problems) and I'm perfectly happy to have separate apps for mail, texts, and calls.

      Really, though, most of my gripes are with the UX: basic navigation is wildly inconsistent, menus are cluttered and disorganized, and a lot of things are hidden in submenus with no indication that something can even be clicked for further options. Really, it's just unpleasant to use, and I'd much rather use Android or even iOS. Oh, and the software keyboard is atrocious. Give me SwiftKey or something equivalent ANY day. Of course, you can't change they keyboard on BB10...

  18. You had me at Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no need for the extra words. I stopped reading

  19. I can shorten the Headline... by macs4all · · Score: 1

    "Blackberry says It's Done"

    There. That is much more concise. AND Accurate.

  20. Good Riddance to BadBerry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good riddance. IMHO, Blackberry can't leave the market fast enough.

    BlackBerry CEO 'Disturbed' By Apple's Hard Line On Encryption

  21. Samsung? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd half expect to hear the same thing from Samsung any day now.

  22. BB Priv - the last Android physical keyboard? by cshay · · Score: 2

    Too bad. The Priv seems to be the last physical keyboard Android phone. Prior to the Priv, I had a Droid 4 which I liked even better (bigger physical keyboard still).

    Unfortunately, people like me who need to compose longer emails while on the road are a very small minority. Most people are happy typing one line "text speak" with their fingers or talking to the phone. That's not good enough for me.

    Not to mention that the onscreen keyboard takes away from screen real estate.

  23. Frickin Amazing... by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    That BB management has taken 7 or 8 years to figure out what seemingly everyone else has known for years. The release of iPhone started it but once Android took off BB was done. All that money wasted developing new BB phones and then even a BB Android phone. Hubris I guess. Microsoft didn't get it either when they went and bought the Sidekick and then Nokia.

  24. So few? by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    I know that 400 units is not a lot, but you don't have to state it twice, and if you do, keep a space after the comma.

    1. Re:So few? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the author is American. Europeans would write the number as 400.400. (four hundred thousand four hundred)

  25. reaching an inflection point with our strategy by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Sounds a lot like Homer Simpsons boxing strategy where he lets the other guy punch him in the face...

    "OK, we've successfully been totally destroyed in the global mobile phone market, exactly how we had planned to do. Next step, world domination! Muhuhahaha!"

  26. Quality goes from "Abyss" to "Challenger Deep" by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Now that they're letting a third party do it, any semblance of quality will cease to exist.

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