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Julian Assange: All That Malware On Wikileaks Isn't a Big Deal (vice.com)

WikiLeaks celebrates its 10th anniversary today. At a press conference, its editor Julian Assange hinted that Wikileaks could soon disclose more things about the U.S. election. Making use of the occasion, Motherboard asked Assange about the malware that Wikileaks website contains. To which, Assange responded (via Motherboard): âoeThe [Hillary] Clinton campaign has been going around saying 'don't read Wikileaks, because there's malware,'" Assange said in response to a general question about malware on the site from Motherboard. Talking specifically about malicious files that were included within a recent dump of emails from Turkey, Assange emphasised that there wasn't an issue for users who just visited the site, and that people needed to download the files themselves. "However this same risk exists for most '.exe' or '.doc' files downloaded elsewhere from the internet or received by email. As time goes by we flag documents to alert readers," a print-out given to journalists at the press conference reads. Assange even thought that the presence of malware itself was noteworthy. "There was malware sent to [the ruling Turkish party] AKP, either from criminals or from state attacks on the AKP. That's extremely interesting," he said.

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  1. Democrat misinformation by Tontoman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hillary's campaign would love it if everyone is too afraid to read Wikileaks.

    1. Re:Democrat misinformation by norweeg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Misinformation? They leaked emails containing malware targeted at the people they were originally sent to. Rather than adopt any kind of editorial oversight, wikileaks is a firehose of irrelevant (emails to/from targets family), not-newsworthy (SSNs of donors whose names are already public record), privacy invading (names of gay Saudis, where homosexuality is punishable by death), and occasionally malware-laden (because why not target malware at high-profile politicians), leaks with only a few nuggets of anything of interest delivered with transparent animus and bias

    2. Re:Democrat misinformation by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      So you have to shovel a buttload of spam and rubbish to sieve out a valuable gem?

      Sounds like a job for a spamfilter.

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    3. Re:Democrat misinformation by norweeg · · Score: 2

      AKA editorial review. A spamfilter cannot tell what is and is not newsworthy

    4. Re:Democrat misinformation by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thus far Assange's big leaks have been little more than damp squibs. There's going to come a point very soon when he's just going to fade into obscurity, locked in his embassy prison, and no one giving a shit any more. Snowden stole the torch anyways, and is a far less complex hero for those that want data to be free.

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    5. Re:Democrat misinformation by sexconker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Editorial review" is unethical when it comes to whistle-blowing.
      The whole point is that bad shit is going down and transparency is needed. Picking and choosing what to show only leads to bias and spin.

      Lay it all out under the sun for the world to see and judge.

    6. Re:Democrat misinformation by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Informative

      What the heck would we want him for? Unless he worked with Manning to extract the classified information, he's a publisher, and that's perfectly legal (that was established in the 60s). There's plenty of annoying people around the world that the US leaves alone.

      The only reason Assange is babbling about what the US will do is that he doesn't want to go back to Sweden and face charges, so he's looking for excuses. He probably also doesn't want to face UK judges about his being a fugitive from justice for all these years.

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  2. Sensible enough to include but warn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't put words in his mouth. He didn't say 'no big deal'. The gist of what he said was more that, for security researchers and people interested in this sort of thing, having the malware available for analysis within document dumps can prove a fruitful line of enquiry, and people downloading and extracting these dumps are unlikely to be the mouthbreathing 'hurr durr an exe gotta run it see what it does' idiots.

    Doc files, I can see some merit in providing two dumps, one with any autoplay macros neutered. Or at least, putting a massive great warning reminding researchers to take care.

  3. Julian Assange is a KGB Agent by bit+trollent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Julian Assange is a KGB agent, on a mission to elect Donald Trump.

    This Malware helps the Kremlin conduct surveillance with with the to aid in their efforts to undermine our democracy.

    Vladamir Putin sees Donald Trump as a useful idiot, and an ally in Russias second cold war on the United States.

    1. Re:Julian Assange is a KGB Agent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dang it, where's my "mod inciteful". All I have is insightful.

  4. WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by wiredog · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Assange made it clear he'll carry on with the leaks over the next month, so I'm not sure it really means much he didn't today.

      Whether any (a) will actually be of substance, and (b) will affect someone who, frankly, has had so many BS allegations made against her that if she was found with a dead hooker in her closet tomorrow we'd be wondering who planted it there, remains to be seen. Her opponents have apparently never read the story of the boy who cried wolf.

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    2. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by Minupla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "OK, I admit I rickrolled you this time, but click on my link NEXT time, because I'd never rickroll you again, honest!"

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    3. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by jandrese · · Score: 2

      I thought he released that email where Hillary said roughly "Assange is a pain in the ass, What could we do to stop him? Maybe a drone LOL? Ok, how about some real ideas people!" And he's freaking out that drone comment and assuming that everybody else in the world will be shocked that anybody might even jokingly talk about hurting his precious body.

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    4. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did they ever release the Bank of America stuff? Pretty sure they said they were going to release that. Amounted to fuck all. Zero credibility. An organisation that purports to be what Wikileaks purports to be should not have psychopathic narcissists like Assange smearing their noxious 'personality' over everything.

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    5. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Anyone in Wikileaks who actually wanted the organization to carry on its mission is long gone. Assange didn't want an organization, he wanted a cult, and he's got one.

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    6. Re:WikiLeaks is pretty good at trolling. by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      What changed is that Assange did his best to make Wikileaks all about himself, at the expense of credible leaks. He's a fugitive from justice who tries to get noticed every so often.

      Pity about that, an organization devoted to leaking things wouldn't be a bad thing to have.

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  5. This is smearing by Dagmar+d'Surreal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't like click-baity, misleading, and misrepresentative headlines here. They're disingenuous and you should be ashamed for having snuck this one past the editors. It should come as a surprise to no one that the mail spools of gov't officials would contain malware, because they're just bound to be targets for spearphishers. To people who can manage to examine files without uncontrollably clicking on them until they execute, this malware poses *zero* threat. ...and yet here this headline and article is, trying to make it sound like WikiLeaks has been in some way *infected* with malware that is a danger to visitors of the site, and that Assange is improperly and unprofessionally downplaying that threat. Whatever Clinton is paying you, it's not worth it. Your integrity is worth more than money.

    1. Re:This is smearing by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, what is misrepresentative here? The website hosts files that contain malware. Just because you expected it did, doesn't make it not a threat. Do you think journalists who are downloading the files are viewing them in a VM sandbox? Most likely they are now infected with malware. If you visit Wikileaks then you are likely going there to get these files. Most people who read those files are going to get infected because most people aren't going to take precautions.

  6. Re:The Internet by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Informative

    But if he's got an important leak, why didn't he make it? Instead, they were hawking books. He's turning into an infomercial.

    Don't get me wrong, I think if he's got an important leak to make that would affect the election, I think we should know about it. The problem is, Trump is hiding a bunch of shit as well, and that information could affect the election, and Assange is basically giving him a free pass. (For the record, I consider both major party candidates to be terrible. But Trump is getting away with all kinds of things that would sink any other candidate because the media is in love with ratings.)

    And hell, I honestly consider Trump to be the more dangerous candidate when it comes to a free and open press. Hell, he's said he wants to make it easier to sue publications if they publish something he doesn't like.

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  7. Re:Too much bias ... by norweeg · · Score: 2

    They've really gone downhill. Editorial review would go a long way. Release only what needs to be known. Releasing it in a sea of noise and irrelevant details that make victims of innocent people is not journalism or even responsible activism.

  8. Re: Too much bias ... by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, editorial review is what would inttoduce bias. They're not journalists, and they're not really activists, except in the narrow realm of information trandparency - they're a data source. Sure, there's a lot of noise with the signal, but thats why other organisations that *are* journalists filter through it and provide editorialised opinions on it.

    Don't make wikileaks into something its not - we need an open data dump more than we need someone selectively picking the facts that support their position and rolling them up into an article. We've already got plenty of those.

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  9. Whose side is he on? by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He's definitely biased, but i'm not quite sure yet if he's anti-Clinton, pro-Trump, or just pro-watching-the-world-burn.

    Unless they just came into the info in the last couple months they should have released any damning revelations they had about Clinton during the primaries when it might have helped Sanders win.

    At this point however the only realistic options are Trump and Clinton. And honestly even if wikileaks did have proof that the Clintons make a habit of murdering their political opponents (citation needed oh so very much) i'd still probably vote for Hillary. Trump doesn't know what an act of war is, he doesn't know how treaties and alliances work, he thinks nuclear weapons were made to be used, and he has a propensity for letting his temper get the better of him at 3am and lashing out. If he gets elected i'm honestly worried that the world might end in a nuclear fireball.

    From a pure game theory standpoint in this situation i'd far rather hold my nose and vote for a known murderer who also happened to be skilled at international politics.

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    1. Re:Whose side is he on? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not about who cares about you or not. Trump has made it pretty clear for most of his adult life that he doesn't care about anyone beyond perhaps his immediate family (wives excluded). It's about who actually seems to have a fucking clue. The man cannot even make it through a 90 minute debate without being baited into saying idiotic and offensive things.

      In some ways, he reminds me of Napoleon III, another populist (though one of more demonstrable ability) from the not-so-distant past whose ego allowed him to be manipulated by a much cannier or more cynical operator in the form of Otto von Bismarck.

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    2. Re:Whose side is he on? by Daetrin · · Score: 2

      Where did i say i have any belief she cares about me?

      Everything i've read about both the email servers and Benghazi so far make them sound like pretty mundane fuck-ups, the kind that pretty much all politicians make from time to time (and Bush in particular did much worse.)

      But let's assume that Assange is about to leak documents proving that _everything_ the Hillary haters say about her is true. In that case then as long as i don't become a vocal political opponent of hers i can expect that she won't actively attempt to murder me. On the other those same documents would also prove that she's a savvy politician who knows how to deal with other politicians. (She can't be trading political favors for Foundation money if she doesn't know how to wheel and deal after all.)

      However based only on the things that _he himself has said_, i don't trust Trump not to blunder into a nuclear war and end civilization as we know it.

      Again, game theory. In the _worst_ case scenario, i'd prefer a competent but corrupt politician who isn't actively trying to murder me (even if she is trying to murder a small subset of other people) to someone who puts the entire world (including me!) at a non-trivial risk of total annihilation.

      I think one could make an entirely fair argument that Clinton is far better than that worst case scenario, but given the existence of Trump that argument isn't really even necessary at the moment.

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    3. Re:Whose side is he on? by lgw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd still probably vote for Hillary. Trump [.. is basically Hitler]. If he gets elected i'm honestly worried that the world might end in a nuclear fireball.

      Which is exactly what the Left said about Reagan, Bush, and Bush (and probably more before I was born). Very tired old propaganda. I'm sure he's also racist, sexist, transphobic, Isamaphobic, and all the new bad things that, well, are also too played out for anyone serious to care about.

      Trump has been a moderate Democrat most of his life, and most of his positions are still the same. His only real talking point is immigration, and he doesn't seem too firm on that. In short, nothing worth worrying about.

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    4. Re:Whose side is he on? by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was in my teens for Reagan and the start of the first Bush administration, so my memory of what was said about them is pretty fuzzy. But i don't recall a big deal being made about nuclear war being made, and that certainly wasn't my biggest concern during either the election for Bush 1's 2nd term or either of Bush 2's terms.

      But Trump has said that he's okay with using nuclear weapons offensively:
      https://thinkprogress.org/9-te...

      Trump has also said that he won't guarantee defending our allies, which is potentially a very destabilizing action:
      http://www.nbcnews.com/storyli...
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

      He said during the first debate that attacking an Iranian ship would not start a war. (To be fair, doing so wouldn't _definitely_ start a war, but almost identical actions have been considered acts of war in the past and could easily be considered so again, so saying that it definitely wouldn't is 100% wrong.)
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      And i can find any number of references for the off the wall stuff Trump has posted on twitter at 3am, in fact there has been analysis presented here on slashdot about the emotional tones of his tweets then vs when his staff is in charge:
      https://politics.slashdot.org/...

      Now normally i wouldn't say "this person acts unhinged on twitter, therefore they'll end civilization." However he has stated himself that he's willing to cause turmoil among our allies, which will lead to politically unstable situations, he's said himself that he's willing to preemptively use nuclear weapons, and he's said things that seem to indicate he doesn't know what is and is not an act of war.

      If you combine that with the kind of temper and tendency to get unhinged when he feels he's been attacked or insulted that he's demonstrated both in real life and in his late night twitter sessions, i feel that it's reasonable to be very concerned.

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    5. Re:Whose side is he on? by Daetrin · · Score: 2

      She fucked up the Middle East? You mean there was some point prior to Hillary coming along where the Middle East was unfucked up? When was that exactly?

      I don't know about you but i've been worried about war with China since the 90s, and it was only that late because that's when i first learned the history of the region. Taiwan has been a ticking political time bomb since the 50s, and there was a big uptick in the potential for conflict when the Taiwan Relation Act was passed in 1979, after Nixon and well before Hillary came around.

      The First and Second Taiwan Strait Crisises happened in the 50s. The Third happened in 95 and 96. In addition to that in 1951 China "peacefully liberated" Tibet, they've been trying to claim part of India, and there's some Japanese territory they want too. And of course they've never really stopped propping up North Korea.

      If you think China's belligerence is some new thing that Hillary is responsible for you're the one who hasn't been paying attention to history.

      I certainly don't think Hillary has been perfect, (Benghazi was certainly a fuck-up, even if it wasn't a crime) but you seem to believe in some prior perfect state of international affairs that i don't seem to recall.

      And finally, according to the Hillary haters she's been negotiating the trade of political favors for cash, she's been using leverage on the FBI and Congress to get away with treasonous activity, and she's been orchestrating unprovable political assassinations.

      So is she a total incompetent incapable of getting anything done, or a master politician and backroom dealer who can literally get away with murder?

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  10. Re:Curious by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Informative

    So Wikilinks is under a malware attack when they release files and documents that were already infected? That's like saying you got beat up by your own fist punching yourself.

  11. Re:Most Important Question by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    No. For an obvious reason. If he could somehow even remotely prove he is, the whole charade about him hiding in that embassy would be over and he could travel about and be the flamboyant self-promoting narcissist that he is.

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  12. Re: Too much bias ... by norweeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not disclosing information irrelevant information that harms innocent people who are only tangentially related to the leak is not bias, it's responsible and ethical

  13. Re:The Internet by CaptainLard · · Score: 2

    We sure could "let him leak" as you put it, but if he says "ZOMG BIG NEWS TUESDAY" where the big news turns out to be "big news coming soon for real this time but for now buy my book!" we justifiably get to place him in the probably full of shit category. In the meantime we get to debate the merits of hype men in the internet age.

  14. Re:Kremlin shill by danbert8 · · Score: 2

    Indeed. It's a sad state of the world when Russia is the only country willing to shelter people who expose the lawlessness of the US government.

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  15. Re: Too much bias ... by Frank+Burly · · Score: 2

    "Editorial review" is not just redacting or withholding of certain documents, it is also choosing the time and context of the release. I'll also point out the obvious:that they almost certainly withhold documents harmful to Wikileaks

    Assange has a professed his dislike of Hillary Clinton, and his timing of releases is clearly intended to harm her campaign. Information transparency is not their cause, otherwise they would have been more honest about today's fundraiser. Instead they hyped it as the end of the Clinton campaign.

  16. Re: Too much bias ... by DaveMikulec · · Score: 3

    "Assange has a professed his dislike of Hillary Clinton, and his timing of releases is clearly intended to harm her campaign. Information transparency is not their cause, otherwise they would have been more honest about today's fundraiser. Instead they hyped it as the end of the Clinton campaign."

    A-men. That's it in a nutshell.

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  17. Re:The Internet by Kierthos · · Score: 2

    I feel I didn't make myself clear.

    You have the Republican candidate attacking veterans for being captured, attacking the families of fallen veterans, and attacking veterans who suffer from PTSD, just to name a few things Trump has done.

    If this were any other candidate who ran for the nomination this year, not only would they never have said these attacks, they would have torpedoed their candidacy by doing so.

    He's single-handedly destroying any attempt at outreach to the Latino communities that the Republican party acknowledged that they needed to make after 2012, he's talked about ignoring treaty obligations like it's a business deal you can walk away from, AND he's got nothing but praise for Putin. For any Republican post-Reagan, that last one especially should tank his campaign completely. And yet it hasn't. (Okay, it is having an effect... projects.fivethirtyeight.com has his chances of winning the Presidency at just above 27%, and it's been falling for a couple days now. But with the campaign he's been running, it should be a lot lower.)

    Now, it could be argued that a lot of his supporters are just along for the ride, because hey, at least it's an entertaining ride, right? And the press (both print and television) has effectively given him a ton of free advertising, because they're addicted to ratings. They can't wait to show us the next clusterfuck that Trump propels himself into.

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  18. Re: Too much bias ... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    If Assange's goal is to damage Clinton, then this faux-press release only helps her by discrediting Assange and Wikileaks. Since his previous "killer revelation" turned out to be some emails bad mouthing Sanders, it really was a "and...?" kind of moment. When you consider what Ted Cruz did DURING the RNC, it really came off as an example of hyperbole which only served to make Wikileaks look foolish.

    Maybe Assange is finally cracking, maybe he has become yet another tired celebrity trying desperately to manufacture another 15 minutes, I have no idea. What I do know is that an organization that once revealed corruption in places like Turks and Caicos now seems hellbent on ruining itself with overhyped claims.

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  19. credibility = zero by Sebastopol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Assange lost all credibility when he played his partisan hand this session. He is no longer democratizing information, he is selectively choosing information to further his "side" because he has a grudge. He blew it. Someone else needs to take the helm.

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