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Yahoo Secretly Scanned Customer Emails For US Intelligence (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares with us an exclusive report from Reuters: Yahoo Inc last year secretly built a custom software program to search all of its customers' incoming emails for specific information provided by U.S. intelligence officials, according to people familiar with the matter. The company complied with a classified U.S. government directive, scanning hundreds of millions of Yahoo Mail accounts at the behest of the National Security Agency or FBI, said two former employees and a third person apprised of the events. Some surveillance experts said this represents the first case to surface of a U.S. Internet company agreeing to a spy agency's demand by searching all arriving messages, as opposed to examining stored messages or scanning a small number of accounts in real time. It is not known what information intelligence officials were looking for, only that they wanted Yahoo to search for a set of characters. That could mean a phrase in an email or an attachment, said the sources, who did not want to be identified. Reuters was unable to determine what data Yahoo may have handed over, if any, and if intelligence officials had approached other email providers besides Yahoo with this kind of request. The two former employees say that the decision Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer made to obey the directive resulted in the June 2015 departure of CISO Alex Stamos, who left to work for Facebook. The company said in response to Reuters questions about the demand, "Yahoo is a law abiding company, and complies with the laws of the United States."

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  1. and this is news because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...was there anybody left who didn't know that?

    1. Re: and this is news because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahhhhh the old "this isn't news cos it's the ravings of paranoid conspiracy nuts" to "this isn't news cos everyone knows about it" gambit.

    2. Re:and this is news because? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The scale is what wasn't know. this is every email going through there servers. Which is unconstitutional. Oh, and their poor implementation led to back door access as well.

      Other questions still to be answered: Did google & microsoft do the same thing? So far, they've said 'no comment'. Which isn't good.

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    3. Re:and this is news because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People actually working in the field, who understood how the tech actually works (clear text), and understand how people actually work (will steal and sell information to the highest bidder), KNEW there was no way this wasn't happening.

    4. Re:and this is news because? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also remember, this happened in the timeframe (mid 2015) that Apple was actively fighting the FBI to not build a software hack into iOS. So it can be fought. And won.

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    5. Re:and this is news because? by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      Sure a lot of people assumed that they folded for the searching of accounts.

      How many knew it for a fact?
      Very few is my guess.

      How many know that they were running a search on all incoming mail?
      Not me.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    6. Re:and this is news because? by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People old enough to remember when AOL was in BIG BIG TROUBLE in the 90's because they couldn't figure out how to install the FBI's carnivore mail server plug-in already knew the government was already actively scanning all of our telecommunications.

      Everyone ignores the fact that the FBI has been doing this for the last 20 years, but makes a big commotion about the NSA doing it. Yawn.

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    7. Re:and this is news because? by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      The scale is what wasn't know. this is every email going through there servers. Which is unconstitutional. Oh, and their poor implementation led to back door access as well.

      Other questions still to be answered: Did google & microsoft do the same thing? So far, they've said 'no comment'. Which isn't good.

      Why is that even a question. Of course the NSA have everything that they want to look at from any cloud provider. As long as they can legally use gag orders, there is no privacy. Period.

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  2. Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obama had the most transparent administration in history. If you don't agree, you will be subject to double enhanced surveillance.

    1. Re:Obama by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 2

      While I agree in principle, it's not like Obama _wanted_ to have the most transparent administration in history... but alas, some of us have greatness thrust upon us.

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    2. Re:Obama by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's true. No administration before lied so transparently.

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    3. Re:Obama by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The transparency is supposed to be on the government side, not the citizen side.

  3. Ah yes, the NSA... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the only department of the US Government that actually listens to you.

    Oh, wait...

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  4. Unfortunately.... by Bob_Who · · Score: 4, Funny

    THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY!

    "....Nobody here but yahoo customers...."

  5. Leaving Yahoo! by unixisc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a Yahoo! mail account, which was my main contact account for things like my bank, credit cards and so on. After 2 cases of password breaks, I've now migrated away from that and sent them all to gmail, which I was using for something else.

    Looks like once the remaining people on it leave, there won't be even a subscriber base to make Yahoo! even worth acquiring.

  6. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's correct. When the baby boomers are retired, retirees outnumbers workers, and two-thirds of the federal budget goes to Social Security and Medicare in 2030, taxes will have to go way up to pay for everything else.

  7. Damn Bush and his Rethuglicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait for the Democrats to take over and end this nonsense just like they promised.

  8. ..and the rest by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll bet a whole dollar that Microsoft, Google and Apple have been secretly doing this for ages too.

    1. Re:..and the rest by Bob_Who · · Score: 2

      You have a dollar? Can I see what it looks like?

    2. Re:..and the rest by evolutionary · · Score: 2

      See Snowden's chart on video below. Google has been in bed with the NSA for at least 3 years. Apple for 2. Microsoft was one of the first way before Google as far back as 1999 I believe. See this video:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Again, see how Microsoft is at the bottom left of this chart, meaning they were in "bed" the longest. And notice how MS got more and more aggressive since the WGA was introduced, and people didn't understand what it truly represented and didn't raise any objections. That was when I went full blown to Linux. was the best decision I ever made in IT.

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  9. So Marissa ignored everyone but the NSA by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    She ignored employees who wanted to continue the company practice of working from home, executives who wanted to take the site in a different direction, and shareholders who wanted her to be competent in her job and actually increase shareholder value in ways other than just ridding her inheritance of the Alibaba position.

    1. Re:So Marissa ignored everyone but the NSA by sconeu · · Score: 2

      She has a hell of a long way to go before she catches up to Carly.

      Carly wrecked TWO companies.

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  10. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by Princeofcups · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's correct. When the baby boomers are retired, retirees outnumbers workers, and two-thirds of the federal budget goes to Social Security and Medicare in 2030, taxes will have to go way up to pay for everything else.

    We could always set up public health care like any other reasonable country and take the health care corporations' extortion out of the equation. Nah.

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  11. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Look at the bright side. The millennials don't have jobs either, and still live in mommys' basements. The only jobs are that of H1Bs here, and outsourced jobs. So the entire federal budget will have to be paid by the Chinas and Indias of the world. That will end offshoring pretty fast - they themselves won't want it!

  12. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by lgw · · Score: 2

    That's one possible outcome, to be sure - won't work, of course, since we've never managed to collect more that 20% of GDP as federal taxes for very long. Far more likely IMO is that we'll just print the money to pay the seniors, while continuing to lie about inflation where it maters for inflation-adjusted payouts. Naturally, a future where we spend less isn't to be taken seriously - those barrels will be full of pork come what may!

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  13. Old joke from an old movie by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Cop:
    And why are you receiving phone calls from J. Edgar Hoover?

    Wadsworth:
    J. Edgar Hoover?

    Cop:
    That's right. The head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    Colonel Mustard:
    Why is J. Edgar Hoover on your phone?

    Wadsworth:
    I don't know. He's on everyone else's, why shouldn't he be on mine?

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  14. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because everyone wants the government to swallow 1/8th of the economy, and then make all of our healthcare become just as efficient and safe as the VA Medical system!

    You're comparing apples and oranges. Extending Medicare for everyone is the public option. The problem with the VA system is that the country went to war without allocating resources for all the damaged bodies that got chewed up and spit out on the battlefield.

  15. And Another Irony Flag... by TheHawke · · Score: 2

    AT&T had cut a plum deal with Yahoo to provide e-mail services for the telecom giant way back in the early 2000's, which is still in effect to this day.

    Chew that over and get back with me.

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  16. Re:laws huh? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they were a law-abiding company, they would DENY requests for warrantless wiretaps.

    Indeed. Because, if the law or regulation under which they are demanded is unconstitutional, it was unconstitutional from the moment it was passed. It "never existed":

    An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed.
    - U.S. Supreme Court: Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425 (1886)

    If the law is unconstitutional, not only does Yahoo not have any legal requirement to grant the access, but the non-existent legal framework doesn't protect them from any action against them by people who were harmed, or against prosecution for the violation of any laws they broke in the process of "obeying" the non-law.

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  17. Re:And you know that how? Who broke security? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Informative

    No joke. Choose your source. It happened.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08...

    or google "trump security briefing nuclear"

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  18. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Extending Medicare for everyone is the public option.

    ...because that would never be abused... just like college tuition never shot into the stratosphere after Uncle Sugar began guaranteeing student loans to world+dog... right? Oh, wait... it did. (yes, I know facilities currently refuse Medicare, but only because there's less paperwork and hassle per dollar to be gained by dealing only with private insurers.)

    Incidentally, if you actually know someone on Medicare (not Medicaid mind, but Medicare), you'd know that it doesn't cover a whole lot, necessitating a lovely little thing called Part D Coverage... which is exclusively handled by private insurers. Are we ditching that as well? If so, healthcare is about to get real ugly... and far more expensive than anyone could ever have planned for in their finances.

    The problem with the VA system is that the country went to war without allocating resources for all the damaged bodies that got chewed up and spit out on the battlefield.

    Indeed - and it's that horrifying lack of even the most basic foresight that makes me doubly worried about having the government run everyone's healthcare.

    Seriously - the ACA was supposed to cut costs, make things less expensive (it didn't), allow you to keep your current insurance (it didn't), and provide a more diverse insurance market (again, it didn't.) So, what makes you think the government won't bung-up single-payer as well?

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  19. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by nickmalthus · · Score: 4, Informative

    As far as free market medical care goes, if one has money to pay out of pocket for a medical procedure they can always get it. In countries with single payer medical care systems there are always private alternatives if one can afford to pay. While I am not a fan of Obamacare I don't see why people feel justified in complaining about it when healthcare prices are dictated by the free market they want to revert back to. Healthcare prices have always been skyrocketing even before Obamacare, the baby boomers just didn't notice it because they didn't need those services until today.

    Regardless of a single payer or free market health care system in America the state and federal healthcare regulators need to require healthcare providers to publicly publish current health service prices and outcomes. Why is it when I visit a healthcare facility I always have to sign a waiver saying I am liable for paying for any service the provider deems necessary at whatever price the provider dictates? That is like going into a retail store and the sales associate fills your shopping cart up with whatever unpriced merchandise they think you want and then mail you a bill a few weeks later. It is absurd. I think price and outcome transparency would go a long way to drive down prices.

    Also getting rid of for-profit health insurance companies would be a tremendous consumer savings. I have been covered by all the name brand health insurance companies over the years and they provide nothing of value beyond central planing/price fixing with providers. They provide no guidance on cost savings, don't want offend a provider, and I get dozens of bills from all the providers sent directly to me to figure out what was done and if it was necessary. They skim their profits off the top and then make up for it by denying claims or raising prices. The more money that goes directly to the providers the better.

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  20. Re:Use drafts. by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://motherboard.vice.com/re... (June 21, 2016 )
    The "login records" get tracked :)
    "Surveillance and Security Lessons From the Petraeus Scandal" (Nov 13, 2012)
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/surv...

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  22. Re:GOV'T NEEDS MORE MONEY!!! Pay your fair share! by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

    trivial to fund those, right now only the first $118,500 of income is taxable for Social Security. Raise that limit and the problem goes away, and it only affects the upper middle class and upper class.

    Problem solved. There is no real problem.