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Apple CEO Tim Cook Remembers Steve Jobs On Fifth Anniversary of His Death (macrumors.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the rest-in-peace dept.

An anonymous reader quotes a report from MacRumors: As he has done over the past four years, Apple CEO Tim Cook has shared a tribute to the late Steve Jobs, touching on the importance of remembering the Apple co-founder and former CEO today, which marks the fifth anniversary of his death on October 5, 2011. In previous years, Apple also updated its website to remember Jobs, creating a two-minute slideshow of his various keynote presentations and most famous audio clips on the one year anniversary of his death. In the days following his passing, Apple started posting "Remembering Steve" comments from fans on its website. The company noted that well over one million submissions came in for the project, all from well-wishing fans in the wake of Jobs' losing battle with pancreatic cancer. "'Most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.' Remembering Steve and the many ways he changed our world," tweeted Apple CEO Tim Cook with a picture of Jobs. In remembrance of Jobs, Recode has compiled several of Steve Job's best interviews conducted at the D: All Things Digital conference. You can watch Recode's reflection video directly on YouTube here.

117 comments

  1. I do too by redmid17 · · Score: 0

    Not sure why remembering someone is relevant on their fifth death anniversary. Now if he were remembered in like 200 years, that would be something. Hey modmins, try using well fitting English words next time you write a headline. It won't happen though. You could even have borrowed it from the MacRumors summary!

    1. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy deathiversary!

    2. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " try using well fitting English words next time"

      Words that fit into a well? Or well-fitting words...

    3. Re:I do too by macs4all · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hopefully the rabid fanbois can handle a little truth. The truth is, Steve Jobs was a real asshole

      I only met SJ one time: In 1978, when he was at the Apple Booth at a trade show in Chicago. I was working at a small I dependent computer store at the time. We sold Apple ][s, as well as S-100 bus systems by Polymorphic and Vector Graphics, plus proprietary x86 systems by Compucolor and a company called DTC, that had a black on paperwhite monitor..

      Anyway, I walked up to Jobs and introduced myself and shook his hand. What I received in return was a withering glare and immediate dismissal. I got the feeling that Jobs wanted to go wash the "common man" off his hand...

      So although I admire Jobs for his obvious talents and persistence-of-vision, I am under no illusions of hero-worship of Steve Jobs, the man.

      Jef Raskin, OTOH, enthusiastically grabbed me by the collar (he didn't know me from Adam!), and showed me in detail what was doubtless confidential documentation on an upcoming version of Apple DOS, which hadn't even been released yet...

    4. Re:I do too by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      But on the other hand, would SJ have let the Mac Pro languish for so many years in a row?

    5. Re:I do too by macs4all · · Score: 1

      But on the other hand, would SJ have let the Mac Pro languish for so many years in a row?

      Unknown; since it was he that killed the XServe.

    6. Re:I do too by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      That's happy Zombie Steve day, you heretic!

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    7. Re:I do too by Reeses · · Score: 1

      You mean the same Steve Jobs that let the PowerMac towers wither on the branch for 18 months without an upgrade?

      Yes.

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    8. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it interesting that someone found it necessary to mod the parent Flamebait, considering that it's written by Apple cheerleader/apologist-in-chief on /. It's actually an interesting anecdote, and shows, if taken on its own merit, that our friend macs4all does have some capacity for objective judgment. Kudos to you, sir, and try to apply that objectivity to discussions of Apple's products; you'd come across as less of a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy.

    9. Re:I do too by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that someone found it necessary to mod the parent Flamebait, considering that it's written by Apple cheerleader/apologist-in-chief on /. It's actually an interesting anecdote, and shows, if taken on its own merit, that our friend macs4all does have some capacity for objective judgment. Kudos to you, sir, and try to apply that objectivity to discussions of Apple's products; you'd come across as less of a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy.

      Thanks for the props, man! You seem to have alerted some mods to change that "Flamebait" to "+4 Interesting"!!! (watch now as the Haters mod it back...)

      But as you can see from that Anecdote, I have been an Apple-follower and I would guess, fan (not "fanboi" as some assert), for quite a long time (actually, since 1976); and so have a different (I would say "deeper") perspective on what Apple is, and isn't, and what their underlying motives are likely to be. I don't know how to phrase that to sound less conceited; but that is the truth.

      I would guess that most of the over-the-top attacks come from folks that simply don't have that depth of experience with Apple and its products, so I shouldn't let their words bother me; but I am human, so they do.

      So, I guess some of my explanations come off sounding like "excuses", and after hours of reading post-after-post ascribing the most unbelievably vile and despicable motivations for literally anything Apple does (for example, the Slashdotters that actually found fault in Tim Cook's recent comments on Encryption, and in this Remembrance of Jobs), and after being "punish-modded" THREE separate times from "Excellent" to "Poor" Karma over the course of 24 hours by those same "judges", most of whom haven't gotten the message that "-1 Disagree" is not really supposed to be a thing, I do tend to get somewhat "strident" (i.e. "foaming at the mouth") in my rebuttal at times.

    10. Re:I do too by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Most of the people that criticise Apple have never actually owned any Apple products and so haven't a clue about their qualities.

      As to Jobs, I believe it's exactly the same people that give Elon Musk a hard time too. There's something about a commercially successful visionary that really annoys them.

      Sure Steve Jobs personally was an perfectionist to the point of being an asshole. But then so is Linus Torvalds, but most here give him a pass. Whilst it's an ugly characteristic, in both cases it may be a key ingredient of their success.

    11. Re:I do too by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Most of the people that criticise Apple have never actually owned any Apple products and so haven't a clue about their qualities.

      As to Jobs, I believe it's exactly the same people that give Elon Musk a hard time too. There's something about a commercially successful visionary that really annoys them.

      Sure Steve Jobs personally was an perfectionist to the point of being an asshole. But then so is Linus Torvalds, but most here give him a pass. Whilst it's an ugly characteristic, in both cases it may be a key ingredient of their success.

      I agree with everything you said, wholeheartedly.

    12. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try stepping out of the reality distortion field. This is a technology website and most of us have had a lot of experience with various computer hardware, software, and companies over the years. OK, I never owned an AS/400, but I used one often enough to want to chuck it out the window and beat it to death "Office Space" style. Your argument is identical to that an Evangelical Christian could make; you don't love Jesus because you aren't a member of the church. A fitting example considering the cult-like mentality of Apple users which was clearly evident even back in the old computer club days. Some of you wised up. The rest ended up like "macs4all."

    13. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the olden days. It doesn't screw your career up like it used to.

    14. Re:I do too by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I don't dislike Apple products, I think they're generally very slick and with very visually appealing and stylish UIs. I had an iPad Air for awhile, which was admittedly given to me. I used it for a while, and sold it off about a year later, because I just wasn't using it anymore. It was an extremely nice piece of hardware, very good battery life, fantastic screen, very slick UI. But it just felt so limiting and constrained, tablets in general are a compromised middle ground between smartphones and actual laptops/desktops. They feel limited in a way my Chromebook doesn't.

      What I mostly dislike are some of the business decisions made by Apple, such as making the Macbooks borderline impossible to service or upgrade yourself, and the entire "walled garden" approach. I also seriously disliked Steve Jobs' personality, and I hate the "think different, therefore better than you" true believer Mac fanatics.

      Could I be perfectly happy using a Mac? Well yeah, as long as I can have Chrome, some decent media players and a select handful of emulators and games, I could be happy on just about any OS. The necessary hardware is way too expensive and limited, though.

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    15. Re:I do too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was an asshole who projected himself as a perfectionist. A lucky one to quote Napoleon.

  2. I'll probably get modded troll but... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was his own fault.

    http://gawker.com/5849543/harv...

    1. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correlation is not causation.

      (1) he chose alternative treatments
      (2) he died
      (3) therefore...he might have died in the same amount of time, or died earlier, or died later with conventional cancer treatments

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    2. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree with OP for different reasons. It's his own damn fault. If he wasn't born, he wouldn't have died. My casual observation over the last several decades has indicated a perfect and direct correlation between being alive and being dead. Generally, I have found that if you hadn't wasted time being alive in the first place, you don't die, and therefore you have the substantial benefit of being able to ignore the Alex Trebek life insurance commercials.

    3. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Have the courage to follow your heart and intuition......

      Even if it goes against accepted medical science.

      "You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." - Tim Minchin.

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    4. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Morpeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Had a friend many years ago who died of a (generally) treatable cancer because she didn't want to deal with traditional "evil" western medicine and tried all kinds of weird alternative therapies, none of which worked. Then she decided to go BACK for chemo, etc, but by that point it was too late.

      She was a really neat, kind person too, sounds stupid I gues --, but I'm still pissed at her to this day for dying when she really didn't have to.

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    5. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's OK to be pissed off about that. My grandfather almost wound up dead because he decided to try some sort of chinese traditional medicine for his heart problems rather than what the doctor prescribed. Luckily he recovered from the subsequent heart-attack but I wasn't the only family member equal parts happy he was alive and seriously pissed off that he would try something so stupid and dangerous.

    6. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, the five-year survival rate for his kind of cancer is 42% (even with treatment).

      Jobs was diagnosed in 2003 and died in 2011.

    7. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Correlation is not causation.

      (1) he chose alternative treatments
      (2) he died
      (3) therefore...he might have died in the same amount of time, or died earlier, or died later with conventional cancer treatments

      Absolutely false. Read the link I posted, specifically this bit:

      The condition might have been nipped in the bud if Jobs had acted right away. Jobs's cancer manifest in neuroendocrine tumors, which are typically far less lethal than the "pancreatic adenocarcinoma" that make up 95 percent of pancreatic cancer cases. Amri said neuroendocrine tumors are so "mild" that...

        "In my series of patients, for many subtypes, the survival rate was as high as 100% over a decade...

      However he figured alternative medicine is better and tried some stupid hippie vegetarian diet thinking it would work, and needless to say it didn't.

      Jobs ultimately had a liver transplant, which meant that he gave it a TON of time to metastasize rather than having it removed.

    8. Re: I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do they call someone pretending to pull a chicken gizzard out of your chest?

      Dipshit.

    9. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Correlation is not causation. "

      But the correlation between ignoring cancer as it riddles your body and an early death certainly is.

    10. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Yep Steve Jobs idiocy of following his heart and intuition instead of medical advise is why he is in a grave instead of on stage.

    11. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > However he figured alternative medicine is better and tried some stupid hippie vegetarian diet thinking it would work, and needless to say it didn't.

      He had an operation to remove his pancreas months after his diagnosis. That was years before he had his liver replaced.

      > In my series of patients, for many subtypes, the survival rate was as high as 100% over a decade...

      Steve Jobs did live 8 after his diagnosis. Note that the initial diagnosis was likely not accurate, because by the time he was operated for, they found the cancer has been spreading for a long time *before* his 2003 diagnosis.

      I wish people who are so ignorant, wouldn't be so quick to condemn. But that's the Internet, where it's ok to blame cancer on the cancer victims.

    12. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The kind of cancer he had was easily treatable by modern medicine. What happened was, Steve Jobs spent his entire life refusing to accept things and FORCED them to happen according to his will. Of course, this was all with human factors, things that he COULD affect. The cancer didn't give a shit about his famous reality distortion field, It spread and killed him and his alternative medicine didn't work for shit. Fun fact: what do you call alternative medicine that actually works? Medicine.

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    13. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Well, by that standard, it's also the fault of Apple's VP team for not making him undead. (Insert obligatory comment about sacrificing engineers here.)

      I'm suddenly imagining their VP team chanting, "Theena eesa betta" over and over.

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    14. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone is saying the alternative treatments killed him in and of themselves.

      But he did pursue those instead of *proven effective* treatments. And we know, having done proper scientific studies, that the effective treatments beat going untreated, as he essentially was.

      So yes, he chose the snake oil instead of real medicine and we know, thanks to science, that this hurts his chance of survival.

    15. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      he might have died in the same amount of time, or died earlier, or died later with conventional cancer treatments

      Those three alternatives are almost certainly not equally likely, though.

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    16. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Correlation is not causation.

      Saying that in justification for his use of alternate medicine is worthy of further study. I vote we repeatedly kick you in the balls with varying amount of force and get you to grade the resulting pain. Let's see if at the end of it you look at the graph and then say "correlation is not causation".

      I am wet while walking outside on a cloudy rainy day while it's raining. It must be due to the rain, but hey correlation is not causation.
      I got sun-burnt while at the beach on a really sunny day. But hey correlation is not causation.

      For a statement that originally was started to combat some anti-science nonsense it has become decisively anti-science on its own.

    17. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I personally am a favour of alternate medicine and prayer to treat all illnesses. They are very good specifically when combined with Darwinism to treat stupidity within our gene pool.

    18. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Correlation is not necessarily causation. Often, a correlation does indicate a cause. Now we have spastics going around saying "correlation is not causation" as if it never is, which is... fucking stupid.

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    19. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      This is one of the first things you point to when people say "where's the harm" in alternative medicine. The harm is: it doesn't fucking work.

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    20. Re: I'll probably get modded troll but... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Huh, I thought it was something along the lines of, "Tribal faith healer".

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    21. Re:I'll probably get modded troll but... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Statistically he would have had a far better prognosis if he had sought prompt proper medical treatment and followed the advice of doctors. Of course nobody could say for sure if he would have died anyway but he sure as hell didn't do himself any favours by choosing woo.

  3. Good for him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't remember what I had for breakfast

  4. Could we also remember how he ran his company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The same company that released products when they were done, not on some yearly schedule (this applies to hardware and software). The same company that actually cared about GUI design, so their stuff was obvious and easy to use and not filled with ultra thin fonts and neon vomit. The same company who cared about professionals, and generally had a usable high end workstation available... etc.

    The list goes on and on.

    I think Apple would do good to remember some of the things Jobs did to made them a great company, because "Apple according to Tim cook" isn't working out that well. They're going to be in deep shit the moment the inertia wears off and they manage to alienate the zealots too, which won't take more than a few years considering the train wreck of products and services TC has left in his wake.

    1. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Cook rests on Jobs' laurels.

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    2. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by Swampash · · Score: 1

      Well we've had "IOS without Steve" longer than we had "IOS with Steve". Tried using an iPhone running IOS3 or 4 lately? It's fucking uuuuuuuugly.

    3. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tried using an iPhone running IOS3 or 4 lately? It's fucking uuuuuuuugly.

      So basically the same as IOS 10?

    4. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Cook improves (or adapt, as you wish), and Jobs created. Which of the two is the most fundamental?

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    5. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a failed businessman who lost 1.05 billion in 1997. Who loses that kind of money while in the middle of a tech boom.

    6. Re:Could we also remember how he ran his company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Cook improves (or adapt, as you wish), and Jobs created.

      What did Jobs ever create?

      The only thing he's on record as ever having designed is the original Mac calculator desk accessory interface.

  5. Rest in Peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will be missed. :'(

    1. Re:Rest in Peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He isn't dead. He's hiding out on that island with Tupac.

  6. It's the day innovation died at Apple by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While Jobs was alive I would comment to my tech friends that his influence on Apple and the industry was overstated. Five years after his death I've come to realize his influence was understated. We need someone like Jobs - not just to think big - but to be the person at the top who wont accept mediocrity and will drive thousands of employees to bring great ideas to the market.

    1. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you were right the first time. Jobs brought some fashion sense into a world of beige-box PC's, and gave us the first smartphone that didn't suck, but really what else? Oh I guess the iPod and iTunes, but those are starting to die already.

    2. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

      gave us the first smartphone that didn't suck, but really what else?

      That's a nice equation Albert but really what else do you have for us?

    3. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's offensive both to science and Einstein in general to equate his accomplishments with the business savvy of a guy like Steve Jobs.

    4. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What did he/apple actually do, though? Turn computers from beige boxes into brightly coloured fashion accessories... that were sealed boxes you couldn't upgrade or repair? Build a phone that was marginally better but much "hipper" than the competition? I guess the ipod was nifty... just like the other small music players that came before it. Itunes? Meh, that was just the music industry catching up with napster.

      I guess I could almost pay the ipad in terms of novelty - I'm not aware of anyone previously having that form-factor, and it is useful - but the rest just doesn't do it for me. Seems more a triumph of style over substance than anything else.

    5. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Seems more a triumph of style over substance than anything else.

      Spoken like a person with no style, and no recognition of substance.

    6. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs didn't do anything but steal from others. He was a complete hypocritical asshole and a deadbeat dad. The world is better without him.

    7. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with all due respect nearly everything Apple produce is mediocre, however it is fashionable and pretty. Very little of what they do is technically outstanding. What he drove was design and sell to the lowest common denominator with the wallets to match where functionality, performance and being the best comes second to looks and trendiness. This is a fantastically smart business strategy and without a doubt it saved Apple, but he certainly did very little to improve tech.

    8. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spoken like a true apple zealot that values style over substance! personally I don't give a shit about style when it comes to my tech, performance, practicality, efficiency, robustness etc etc all rank a million miles above style.

    9. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right - I have no style. Or fashion sense. And I am in no sense cool.

      For these blessing I am eternally grateful.

    10. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by frnic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like so many geeks, you just don't get it. So what, he didn't improve tech. He made products that people love. |He made products that he loved. He brought a company back from bankruptcy to being the most valuable company in the world - not because the tech is good or bad, but because he knew what people wanted before they wanted it.

    11. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Steve Jobs didn't do anything but steal from others.

      He was a great coordinator of ideas and technology. He sensed the right time the market and matching tech capability was ready for something.

      He brought out the first practical GUI computer (Xerox Star was clunky), helped start the 3D animation craze (Toy Story) when everyone else was spooked by the financial failure of Tron, simplified music players, looked at the physical keyboard of the then popular Blackberry, and said, "Fuck the physical keyboard, it's a dinosaur!" (paraphrased).

      And he also had a nose for cool designs, like the "Daisy" iMac.

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    12. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      relatively offensive.

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    13. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      This is coming from someone who will never own any iCrap but it wasn't "fashion sense" so much as "how can I reach my goal with as few steps as possible?" that made Steve the big bux.

      I mean we HAD smartphones, we HAD MP3 players, hell I had one of the early ones (A Rio IIRC) and you know what the first thing you noticed once you started messing with them? How many damned submenus you had on these things, even to do the simplest of tasks. I will keep my 4Gb Sandisk M260 forever simply because of how rugged and reliable it is but if I simply want to change the EQ on it? Its like 6 menus you have to drill down just to get to something as simple as the EQ.

      What Jobs was brilliant at was finding things that already existed but had sucky interfaces and saying "Okay how do I make this simple and intuitive to use?" which you'd think would be simple and obvious but it isn't...look at the UI mess that is Windows 10 for what happens when you get it wrong. So like him or hate him you just have to give credit where credit is due and the man was an expert at cutting bullshit out of UIs and making devices that were intuitive.

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    14. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by macs4all · · Score: 1

      spoken like a true apple zealot that values style over substance! personally I don't give a shit about style when it comes to my tech, performance, practicality, efficiency, robustness etc etc all rank a million miles above style.

      You can have both, you know. That's what you will never understand.

    15. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by macs4all · · Score: 1

      You're right - I have no style. Or fashion sense. And I am in no sense cool.

      For these blessing I am eternally grateful.

      LOLOL!!! I am in no sense cool. In fact, if you saw me, you'd call me a neck beard. I live in jeans and pocket tees both at home and at work. My hair is long and a bit scraggly, and I haven't shaved or trimmed my beard in many months. I don't eat sushi, nor sip soy lattes. My breakfast and dinner is as likely to come from McDonald's than it is to come from the freezer.

      But I also recognize good design when I see it. And I see it in Apple products. I have built my fair share of beige boxes, so I know the difference. Been there done that. I just enjoy using gear that Doesn't require constant fussing and churning of pieces-parts, forever chasing three more fps out of that game. Perhaps I would feel different if I was a Millenial gamer-bot; but I've got things to DO with my computer, other than working on my computer.

    16. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Yet one of them dedicated their lives to work that will lead to the inevitable destruction of mankind. So you might reconsider what you ultimately find offensive.

    17. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nicely played

    18. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      -1

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    19. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Mistake, was +1 here, and -1 parent!

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    20. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      -1

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    21. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Maritz · · Score: 1

      You're equating Steve Jobs with Einstein. Holy shit.

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    22. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Yet one of them dedicated their lives to work that will lead to the inevitable destruction of mankind.

      Oh come on, Apple aren't that bad.

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    23. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like so many fanboys, you just don't get it. Your feelings don't trump facts. He was a really good sales man hawking shiny inferior devices for double the cost. He was by all accounts and unmitigated asshat and generally a terrible human being. That you feel good about the products, just makes you a rube.

    24. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Five years after his death I've come to realize his influence was understated.

      His influence was understated by you. Many others were aware of Jobs' influence and importance. It doesn't even matter if he stole stuff, was difficult to work with, was a visionary or not... the history of Apple makes it very clear that Jobs' importance could not be understated (except by yourself, at one time, apparently). I am not even an Apple fanboi -rather the contrary-, but realise that he was the driving force behind Apple's success.

    25. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Lotus456 · · Score: 1

      Not as great at bringing technology to market as you assume. He doesn't even get credit for bringing the GUI to Apple - Jef Raskin did that. He had to twist Steve's arm to get him to visit Xerox and see it. Even then, the Lisa was a failure and Jobs went

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    26. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The aqueduct.

      And the sanitation!

    27. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless "you're holding it wrong".

    28. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like most people who dismiss the influence Jobs and Apple had and continue to have are under 40 and don't know the history of personal computing.

      I grew up in San Jose, my mom worked for Apple, and I had an Apple ll back in 1977 while I was still in high school. That Apple ll led to a long and lucrative career in IT.

      I got to play with an actual Apple Lisa. I had IBM PCs back when they still had Turbo buttons on the front.

      I didn't have strong feelings about the Apple ll vs. the IBM PC's I also had, but when mom brought home a Mac, even under-spec'd as it was, it really did change everything.

      Yeah, they stole the GUI/mouse from PARC, but they made it work better sooner than anyone else. Windows 3.1 was painful and Windows 95 was a punchline.

      Jobs was an asshole, but anyone saying he was not the biggest influence on modern computing is uneducated, so says someone who was there.

    29. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      He doesn't even get credit for bringing the GUI to Apple - Jef Raskin did that.

      It seems they both influenced it (for good or bad). Quote:

      http://history-computer.com/Mo...

      "The [Mac project] caught the attention of Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple. Realizing that the Macintosh was more marketable than the Lisa, he began to focus his attention on the project. Raskin finally left the Macintosh project in 1981 over a personality conflict with Jobs, and the final Macintosh design is said to be closer to Jobs' ideas than Raskin's."

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    30. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Jobs took over the project from Raskin after he was kicked off Lisa.

      He didn't get Raskin's vision of what the Mac was intended to be (cheap, easy to use, GUI, no mouse) so he turned into "Lisa Jr."

      Even then, the Mac was pretty much a failure for its first year - they didn't sell anywhere near the number of units Jobs predicted. Why? Because it had only 128k of memory (Jobs insisted that it not be upgradeable) and a single floppy drive that put you through hell copying a disk - some 50 swaps due to lack of buffer RAM.

      He served as a filter for designs and pushed his people to produce great work, but he was frequently off the mark or failed to grasp what the customers really wanted.

      I remember feeling shaken when he put a knife in OpenDoc (the technology I had spent the previous 2 years learning because Apple said it was the way of the future) saying NeXT had better object technology. They never produced anything comparable to it, though. "Cocoa is awesome! You'll love it! or else!" :-P

    31. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to see how the no-mouse idea would fly.

      Even then, the Mac was pretty much a failure for its first year - they didn't sell anywhere near the number of units Jobs predicted. Why? Because it had only 128k of memory

      RAM was expensive back then and the Mac was already pricey. Software publishers could squeeze more out of limited memory if they wanted to, but it took more time to program that way. Job's difficult-to-upgrade RAM decision was dumb, but not a show-stopper.

      It didn't sell well because it was too expensive, arguably because it was ahead of its time still, and the concept of desktop publishing had yet to bloom. It bloomed when it triggered me-too-ness among orgs.

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    32. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Not just the way it worked, to Jobs it was the whole experience. From buying it to disposing it, you felt good about your purchase. It was similarly priced, had all the latest features (Bluetooth, WiFi AND Data) AND a finished OS with free apps for mail and web browsing that weren't just scaled down Desktop versions.

      Compared to other "actual" smartphones (there were barely ANY), the iPhone was slightly cheaper and a hell of a lot better then either WiMo (not really all that hard, the thing showed a "Start" menu on a 4" screen, try pecking at that and Outlook was just scaled to fit the screen) but Symbian, Palm or Ericsson didn't fare much better. Palm thought that using IR to sync with their PC was just as "wireless" as Bluetooth was.

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    33. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It would be interesting to see how the no-mouse idea would fly.

      We've seen it; the "Canon Cat" used Raskin's alternative "leap keys" instead of a mouse.

      As Steven Levy summed it up, "it made little impact on the computing world and no dents whatsoever in the universe."

      And as for desktop publishing saving the Mac, that was only possible when the 512k "Fat Mac" appeared, and that was thanks to Burrell Smith's foresight. Jobs was so busy distorting reality he couldn't see why the world didn't love his cute little beige box as it was.

    34. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only when someone finally get around to making it

      been waiting a LONG time for it myself.

    35. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raskin was brilliant, but he had a serious Dunning-Krueger thing going on. He had a bad habit of taking credit for other people's work and overestimating how important his his own ideas were.

      See: I Invented Burrell

    36. Re:It's the day innovation died at Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yeah, they stole the GUI/mouse from PARC

      So? PARC didn't invent it either. They got it from Stanford.

      RIP Douglas Engelbart. :(

  7. And if he wasn't one of those Republican homeo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...pathy nuts that loves feelings over science, then he would probably still be with us. Instead, Republicans take another victim.

  8. Re: And if he wasn't one of those Republican homeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Republicans are the Party of death.

  9. Not only that, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a gambit to forever have a tag-free car that he could park in handicapped spots, he had an arrangement with a dealer to get a new car every 6 months (maximum term before plates are mandated). This exposed him to carcinogenic new car smell everyday.

  10. Kansas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs reminds me of the what the band Kansas sings: "nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy" Good thing too. These people are psychopaths, not innovators.

    1. Re:Kansas by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Jobs reminds me of the what the band Kansas sings: "nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy" Good thing too. These people are psychopaths, not innovators.

      Really, was that really necessary?

  11. Okay, yeah, great ATD video retrospective... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 0

    But do they have one showing every time the word "cyber" was mentioned?

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  12. Ok salesman, craptastic human being by Morpeth · · Score: 0

    He's dead, so are a lot of (better) people, move on...

    Also, his death is partly a result of his own arrogance and stupidity when it comes to ignoring science (ironic as hell really)

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    1. Re:Ok salesman, craptastic human being by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The sales part reminds me of the Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates. Epic Rap Battles of History (headphones if at work)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  13. Five years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like to think he's not dead, he's just moved somewhere else.

  14. So, Silverware right? by fleabay · · Score: 1

    Happy Anniversary Steve!

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  15. Lost interview by aglider · · Score: 1

    Don't forget It!

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  16. Re:Cook is distracting by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    The only product category you can really credit to SJ was the GUI. He didn't invent it, but his was the first commercial success. That was 30 years ago.

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  19. Oh yeah, that guy by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Apple CEO Tim Cook Remembers Steve Jobs On Fifth Anniversary of His Death

    That makes it sound like he'd completely forgotten him up until now.

    "October 5th... now why does that ring a bell?"

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  20. Maybe he could also remember by tomxor · · Score: 1

    ... how Jobs was so critical about not making shit products. No it's not all shit, they have a lot of momentum so it can't be, but generally focus has shifted, fragmentation has occurred just like before, and trying to sell lots of shit to lots of people with the latest flashy shiny features is more important that reliability and thoughtful design. It's a gradual shift back to short term thinking profit driven design.

  21. Still hasn't risen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5 years and he still hasn't risen? Meh, not much of a god.

  22. Fourth Anniversary of the First Anniversary by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    "Apple also updated its website to remember Jobs, creating a two-minute slideshow of his various keynote presentations and most famous audio clips on the one year anniversary of his death."

    So we are remembering the one year anniversary? The fourth aniversary of the one year anniversary ....... right? Also let us celebrate the third anniversary of the second anniversary, because by a happy chance that is today as well.

  23. Five years ago already? by GrBear · · Score: 1

    That's almost as long ago as the last update to their high end Mac Pro.

    Of course I jest, the Mac Pro is only about 3 years old.

  24. Meh. by scubamage · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't get why people think Steve Jobs is so great. It's not like he found the cure for cancer or something.

    1. Re:Meh. by grub · · Score: 1

      He did give us one treatment that we can scratch off the list of potential cures..

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  25. panicky trip to the Guru store before camp ends by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    Apple CEO Tim Cook Remembers Steve Jobs On Fifth Anniversary of His Death

    "Heh, check out this picture. It's a turtle wearing a turtleneck. Say, that reminds me of that Steve guy who used to work here. Remember him? He was my boss for a while? Sure you do, he was that guy who used to say all these crazy things, and from time to time he would present what were really pretty ordinary tech advances as earthshaking paradigm shifts of breathtaking ingenuity? Oh, and he used to eat just fruit. Not just vegetables or just plants, but just fruit. They actually put me in charge of supplying him with fruit a few years ago. Yeah, I was supposed to drop off a crate full of fruit in front of his office once a week. I don't remember ever actually doing it, though...

    Hm, I wonder what happened to that guy?"

  26. From hero to zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Life lesson. This guy was the bomb, the baddest dude on the planet for a time. Five years after his death all he gets a PowerPoint slideshow and an f-ing Tweet.

    Basically we all end up the same way. I do not find that particularly reassuring

  27. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but he did give us the SOLUTION for people WITH cancer. :)

  28. I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs ripped off the idea for the GUI from Xerox, but to be fair: they were stupid enough to [a] not have him sign a non-disclosure before showing it to him, [b] not know what to do with it, and [c] not put the effort into perfecting it.

    It was jerk Jobs who stole it and bullied his people into making it better and it was genius jobs who realized what needed to be done to it to make it successful.

    It was genius jobs who saw the potential to replace the PC with a tablet, realizing that most people were only using a PC for e-mail and web browsing and looking at pictures. It was genius Jobs who figured out the form of that tablet's hardware and software to make it irresistible to consumers and it was jerk Jobs that drove his team to make it his way.

    Same for the iPhone

    Do normal people even REMEMBER the Motorola Razors that were so popular before the iPhone???

    It was Steve that drove the tablet-with-apps and smart-phone-with-apps models. He was NOT the Edison that some of his fanboys suggest, not a pure inventor. He was, however, the right mix of evil genius to turn entire industries by having the insight into consumers and the ruthlessness towards employees and competitors that cause market shifts. You can not go through a week without seeing his fingerprints everywhere, even in the look-and-feel of new cars being rolled out with GUI touchscreen UIs that descend from the Mac. Even a look inside the crew cabins of the new Boeing Starliner and SpaceX crewed Dragon show them to be spacecraft of the Steve Jobs era of tech design.

    I disliked Steve, but I cannot deny his role in the modern world.

  29. Long live the king by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the old king is dead, long live the king.

  30. Susan Kare on working with Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He was running Apple when I met him, but he was interested in the Macintosh at every level. It seemed to me that he was a person capable of making meaningful contributions in hardware, software, advertising, icons, fonts. Sure, he's a well-known and controversial figure, but I had a lot of respect for him because I never knew anybody who had such a broad band of ability to contribute good ideas in many realms. Not that every single idea was The Idea, or the best idea, or even good, or that he wouldn't listen to others. I think he definitely has a style of pushing back and being critical, to push you to see if you had explored every option. I remember him as great to work with, being excited over things that were new that we had done that we could show him, and it being a very motivating factor, because when he's happy and pleased with an idea he can make you feel great."

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/primary/interviews/kare/jobs.html