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Comcast Rolls Out Nationwide 1TB Data Cap (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Comcast's home internet data caps are going live for a majority of customers starting November 1st, the company announced today. Called the "Xfinity Terabyte Internet Data Usage Plan," the cap restricts the amount of data you consume in your home to 1TB per month regardless of the speed of your plan. Comcast claims 99 percent of customers use less than 1TB per month, but it does now offer an unlimited option for $50 more per month. Back in April, Comcast bumped its data cap from 300GB to 1TB after consumer backlash and renewed regulatory concern from the FCC. And until today, the plan has been active in select markets for 16 states. But starting November 1st, the list will add 18 new markets, bringing the total number of states with the terabyte data cap to around 30. Notable exceptions include New York and nearly the entire northeast. For a full list of included markets, check Comcast's online FAQ.

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  1. What's a data cap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No cap for me, I'm using the neighbor's open xfinitywifi for free. Thanks, Comcast is fuckin awesome!

    1. Re: What's a data cap? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      And when your use pushes your neighbors internet over the cap, Comcast will charge them more. Win-win.

      The visitor's data use is counted against the visitor's data cap, not the owner of the hotspot. From this:

      Also, the usage and activities of visiting users are associated with the visitors' accounts and therefore do not impact the homeowner.

    2. Re: What's a data cap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The login page is easily ignored. ICMP is not firewalled, and you can set up a ping tunnel to get full internet access.

    3. Re: What's a data cap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    4. Re: What's a data cap? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find that extremely interesting, because it means that they must have some way of measuring data traffic other than just counting the bytes in/out of your connection. They must separate your data and visitor data somehow.

      I've read a number of stories about inaccurate data metering on broadband lately. I wonder how reliable their system is.

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    5. Re: What's a data cap? by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      Hans - IP over ICMP

      Interesting, but doesn't that just pass the buck? You've got to run the server somewhere else with Internet connection so that it can proxy the ICMP requests. Might be good for making xfinitywifi a part of an anonymizing proxy but not so good for getting free bandwidth.

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  2. Good news eveybody! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The chocolate ration has gone up to 20 grams a week!

  3. Future-proofing for 4k by tgetzoya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I use about half that now every month. I use Netflix and MLB.tv daily, among other things. I see this as future-proofing for when 4K becomes the standard.

  4. Re:Finally some sensibility... by hsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course not. 2GB of data on mobile is virtually the same price (if not more) on AT&T and the like as it was 10 years ago.

  5. Wow by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much congestion can these people be causing if it only costs at extra $50 to "fix" it?

    1. Re:Wow by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None. The purpose of caps from cable companies isn't to cover the costs of infrastructure improvements. It is to serve as a disincentive to dropping cable TV service, just as it always was.

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    2. Re:Wow by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then I'd pay the $50/mo.. still cheaper than cable.

    3. Re:Wow by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Congestion is not related to data caps. Data caps are a way of charging for the amount of data someone uses over a long period of time. Congestion is related to bandwidth.

      It's like justifying charging a toll on the only single lane road from place a to place b because there are daily traffic jams. It doesn't matter whether or not you charge a toll, the traffic jams cannot be 'fixed' by a toll booth if you need more lanes. If you hike the price high enough, someone will eventually come along and build the necessary two lane road, but until then, your toll booth just pisses people off even more.

      With the Internet it's the same, except that a two lane highway costs almost no money (Netflix and Internet Exchanges have even offered extra lanes at no cost) and Comcast-and-co is conspiring from anyone else building a second lane.

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    4. Re:Wow by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With a data cap they assume instead of streaming shows people will watch them on TV.

    5. Re:Wow by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Exactly. If you watch enough TV that those 4K streams from Netflix put you over the cap, they'd rather you spend $50 on a cable TV subscription than $50 a month for more data, because additional cable customers give them better negotiating power when it comes time to renegotiate their contracts with the networks.

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  6. That's no more than 10... by matbury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...movies per month. That's assuming that each 4K movie is compressed to around 100GB each on average. So on top of paying for your movies, you'll also have to pay a $50 per month surcharge.

    1. Re:That's no more than 10... by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

      I came across a deal tonight for a 50inch 4K TV for under $500, in fact I can find them that cheap easily on Amazon. Did you somehow think that 4K TV are reserved for the uber rich or something?

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    2. Re:That's no more than 10... by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Informative

      25 Mbps is 22.5 gigabytes for a 2-hour movie. So you can watch 44 4K movies per month with a 1 TB cap.

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  7. Re:Big honking black cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately it is true, Comcast is the only ISP in my area with speed over 25Mbps i get 75Mbps + basic cable for around $90 a month US through comcast.

    Now i have to worry about Data caps???

    At my fucking house???

    THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF PAYING FOR THE FUCKING CABLE!

    I have 5 people in the house who all use Youtube/Netflix/Hulu/Steam/Origin/Xbox/Playstation/Wii/+ 5 cell phones and 5 desktops 1 laptop 1 tablet 2 smart TV's ect...

    Plus i contribute to a open source project that requires me to regularly perform large git-pull's.

    And my flight simulator that downloads world scenery on the fly.

    So WTF! Comcast.

    We already know for a fact that there is no point beyond Greed and $ for you to implement Data caps on your network.

    Fuck you Comcast.

    Sincerely, a pissed off customer.

  8. Re:Big honking black cock by swalve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps your usage is in that top percentile of users that will go over 1tb. If you are really in the top 1% of users, I think paying another $50 a month is justified. (Also, doesn't git have some kind of rsync type capability?)

  9. Re:Big honking black cock by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    Sign up for business Internet.

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  10. Re:Another BS maneuver by Comcast by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

    but these caps seem reasonable for now.

    Oh please.

    I'm on a 25Mbps DSL and I can easily hit 2TB in a month. Thank goodness Comcast doesn't operate in this area.

  11. Re: Interesting list of states they started with by real+gumby · · Score: 2

    We use about 350g/month. Switching to 4K video might blow 1TB out.

  12. Re: Interesting list of states they started with by real+gumby · · Score: 3, Informative

    If only that were true: http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...

    And the ruling that blocked the FCC from mandating competition? It was a suit filed by NC and TN.

  13. Dear website owners... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am now blocking ALL ads.

    Your adverts now cost me money.

    I am also going back to ripping BluRays and storing them on a NAS. Screw Netflix and other services if I am now being punished for using it by the ISP.

    Comcast is forcing me to do all this, so if Anyone is angry, please call 1-800-COMCAST and complain.

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  14. Re:Big honking black cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps your usage is in that top percentile of users that will go over 1tb. If you are really in the top 1% of users, I think paying another $50 a month is justified.

    The truth is that the marginal cost of a 1TB of data is on the order of a few dollars. In which case $50 is massive overkill considering that the average bandwidth usage is just 190GB/month.

    Here's what wholesale bandwidth costs today:
    Bulk IP transit costs:

    10Gbps: $0.85 -- $1.10 Mbps
    20Gbps: $0.75 -- $0.95 Mbps
    40Gbps: $0.62 -- $0.80 Mbps
    75Gbps: $0.55 -- $0.70 Mbps
    100Gbps: $0.45 -- $0.60 Mbps

    1mbps, running flat-out 24 hours per day for 30 days is just a tad under 1TB.
    So multiply by 10 to more than compensate for peak usage and all other overhead.
    That works out to $6/TB or less at the kind of wholesale prices that big ISPs pay.

    Lets say your internet bill is roughly $60/month. Even with all the fixed overhead for hardware and support staff, that leaves a ton of margin since most customers are only doing 190GB/month.

    Data caps are nothing more than abuse of monopoly status.

  15. Anyone else notice how they avoid capping DC? by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even now, after adding most of the USA to this data cap -- they've avoided the entire Washington DC metro area (Northern Virginia and Maryland included). I'm very thankful for that as a MD resident stuck using Comcast for broadband .... but am I the only one who suspects this is on purpose? Comcast probably figures they won't get push-back from angry legislators as long as they make sure all of THOSE folks aren't affected by the changes.

  16. 1TB cap makes sense... in the present moment by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing Comcast's plan doesn't cover is that based on current internet usage and popular applications (Netflix, Pandora, etc.) their research suggests 1TB is a reasonable cap for 99% of customers. But what happens when more rich applications come out, video resolution goes up and don't forget that new fangled Internet of Things (IoT). Are they going to adjust the caps based on what "reasonable" is on an ongoing basis? I bet not. That in and of itself is not reasonable. Comcast's PR firm has gone to great lengths to present this in agreeable terms on the basis of reasonableness and they did somewhat of a good job but it still looks like there is an opportunity for an unethical cash grab it's just it will be in the future not in the present.

    Fortunately, we have a system that deals with this called free market competition. On that note, Google Fiber/Verizon FioS where you at? I'm ready to switch if you want to become a competitive force in this market space. Get your game on.

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  17. Re:Good bye Comcast - hello Fios by Holi · · Score: 2

    That is nice for you, but the vast majority of the country does not and will not be covered by FIOS as verizon has completed their roll out.
    http://gizmodo.com/after-billi...

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  18. H.265 has multiple patent pools by tepples · · Score: 2

    Except almost nobody is actually using H.265 for two reasons. One is devices without hardware acceleration for H.265 decoding. The other is the larger royalty associated with H.265 payable to multiple patent pools.

  19. Re:Too late, comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and changes to the terms, in most states, also gives you a way out of the contract, too.