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KDE Turns 20, Happy Birthday! (softpedia.com)

prisoninmate writes from Softpedia: Can you believe it's been 20 years since the KDE (Kool Desktop Environment) was announced on the 14th of October, 1996, by project founder Matthias Ettrich? Well, it has, and today we'd like to say a happy 20th birthday to KDE! "On October 14, KDE celebrates its 20th birthday. The project that started as a desktop environment for Unix systems, today is a community that incubates ideas and projects which go far beyond desktop technologies. Your support is very important for our community to remain active and strong," reads the timeline page prepared by the KDE project for this event. Feel free to share your KDE experiences in a comment below! You can read the announcement "that started the revolution of the modern Linux desktop," as well as view the timeline "prepared by the KDE team for this unique occasion."

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  1. Wow 20 years! by uvarvu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Great to see KDE and its improvements over the years. If you want to give KDE a go then I suggest trying KDE neon. You get the latest KDE on top of the stability of Ubuntu LTS. https://neon.kde.org/

    1. Re:Wow 20 years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Neon is horrible. Copying the bloody awful flat icon crap that (cr)Apple instigated and then Windows 10 slavishly copied.

      I honestly Windows 98 looked better than all these new desktops. Flat icons are simply ugly. maybe ok on a small phone screen but they have no place on the desktop, As for the colour schemes they all look like washed out uninspring crap.

      Really desktops were pretty much usable and done decades ago. Now all we get is continual reinvention of the wheel with new hipster crap and the removal of anything resembling a useful feature because 2% of the morons who use computers can't cope with any sort of configuration.

      The only slightly sane window manager left is XFCE. God forbid the go down the flat icon, crap colour scheme, hipster crap route. If they do I'll be back to using the command line exclusively.

      Ho hum.

    2. Re:Wow 20 years! by iampiti · · Score: 2

      Totally agree with you. UIs have gone worse terribly in the last few years all in the name of stupid trends designers copy from each other and of consistency. i.e.: Forcing a mobile UI in a desktop where it totally doesn't make sense.
      You'd think the open source people would have more sense but they always end up copying whatever Google/Apple/Ms are doing.
      At least in Linux we can choose our DE. In Windows and Mac you're stuck with whatever the UI gods have thought of

  2. Yep. 4.0 signalled its death knell by mfearby · · Score: 3, Funny

    I used to like KDE 3.5 but when 4.0 dropped and showed that the developers were more interested in UI-fads and flashy wiz-bangery, I went to GNOME. Then it turned to sh*t, so I switched to Mac over 3 years ago, and I've mostly been pretty happy. I like a UI that's functional and doesn't change to keep up with the latest (unproven or poorly tested) fashions.

    1. Re:Yep. 4.0 signalled its death knell by ContextSwitch · · Score: 4, Funny

      Darn developers always changing things. I DON'T LIKE IT! Personally KDE lost me when they got rid of Kandalf, $DEITY I loved that guy, it's never been the same since. After that I moved to my own desktop environment made from the left over bits of emacs with a touch of vim which will work together provided you interface via a remote proxy. I also whip myself with nettles every month as it helps me to remember the 386 instruction codes in hexadecimal (I have a system).

    2. Re:Yep. 4.0 signalled its death knell by maynard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is investment in old software and hardware drivers is often obsoleted by Apple without consideration. Have an old copy of Adobe? On Windows, it'll probably run forever. On Mac, you're fucked. It won't run on Linux (properly), but at least supporting open source alternatives indefinitely is possible. How about old hardware? I have an ancient Creative EMU 0404 USB audio interface with two XLR inputs. After El Capitan, forget about that old (64bit intel!) driver still working. On Linux or Windows? No problem. It'll probably run as long as the thing still works.

      From a hardware standpoint on the Mac line, Apple is flailing. Mac Pros are generations behind. The iMacs and Macbook Pros are supposed to be for film editors and photography / design creatives, but don't even ship with 10bit color HDR LCD panels. They lock you into hardware configurations that are next to impossible to upgrade out of. And give no flexibility to support common pro applications. It's Apple's way or the highway. I mean, why not buy Final Cut Pro X and Logic? Who needs that stuff the whole rest of the world has standardized on already.

      I like MacOS. It's pretty good. There's bash and python and what I don't get out of the box I can add with homebrew. And there are some commercial apps I'm absolutely dependent on still, which I wouldn't have with Linux. In particular, Scrivener, MS Office, and Adobe. But if I have to buy these things again - particularly Adobe, Linux and Windows here I come. Lack of Adobe plugin availability on Mac is a real downer.

      Apple is so focused on selling iPhones and iPads, they simply don't care about customer needs any more. It can be a damn nightmare to get real work done.
       

    3. Re:Yep. 4.0 signalled its death knell by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

      I use KDE every day on a Lenovo laptop - for business use - and it is fine. Better than anything else. I like my wobbly windows and cube.

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    4. Re:Yep. 4.0 signalled its death knell by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      How about old hardware? I have an ancient Creative EMU 0404 USB audio interface with two XLR inputs. After El Capitan, forget about that old (64bit intel!) driver still working. On Linux or Windows? No problem. It'll probably run as long as the thing still works.

      Huh? I've heard tons of complaints from Windows users about old hardware no longer being supported on new Windows versions because the drivers aren't fully compatible, and being forced to toss out perfectly good hardware because they "upgraded" Windows.

      The only place where this doesn't happen is Linux. Something has to be *really* old for Linux to drop support, such as when they finally dropped the floppy-tape driver (remember those old QIC40/80 cartridge drives that connected to your floppy drive interface?) probably a decade after these things had really become museum pieces.

      Apple is so focused on selling iPhones and iPads, they simply don't care about customer needs any more. It can be a damn nightmare to get real work done.

      If you want to get real work done without your OS vendor throwing up roadblocks, the *only* serious choice is Linux. Apple, as you say, is too focused on selling mobile fashion accessories, and Microsoft is too busy adding advertising and spy/malware and broken updates to their OS. If you want real stability, get a solid Linux distro and use a LTS version of it.

  3. Compiling KDE 2.0 on Sparc by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember compiling KDE 2.0 on a Sparcstation 5 when I was an intern. Solaris came with CDE, which is a POS. Took several days to compile and resulted in a poorly performing DE, but no longer suffering from the ugly unfriendly CDE :)

    Been using KDE since before 1.0 came out on x86 though. Man, what an upgrade over things like fvwm it was.

    Now the developers seem to have lost their way a bit. Currently I'm on some frankenstein mixup of kde4 and kde5 with bits and pieces missing or inaccessible. And still barely different from KDE3.x. Sure, they created a lot of stuff like "activities". Still don't know what those are though...

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  4. Happy birthday. by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Happy birthday KDE. I know we haven't seen each other much the last few years, sorry about that, but when you went all "pretty" with KDE4 it was like you were snubbing people like me who just wanted a functional desktop and had found that in you. I am mostly with OS X these days, I know she is a primadona and we don't have what I had with you back in the KDE 3 days, so I'll always reminisce those times...
    Best wishes.

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  5. K for what, now? by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've never heard anyone else say that the "K" in KDE was for "Kool". In fact in a previous install I had of KDE there was a splash screen that rotated through that claimed the K did not stand for anything.

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    1. Re:K for what, now? by Tukz · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, you are correct.
      It was suggested to stand for "kool" but was decided it shouldn't stand for anything.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  6. Still waiting for it to become clean and pro by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    It no longer looks quite like a widget set exploded. Now it looks more like someone just knocked the box over.

    GNOME 2 was pretty much perfect from the user's standpoint. Barring that, the best thing ever was compiz+emerald; it was beautiful and it was powerful. But now emerald is dead, or might as well be.

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    1. Re:Still waiting for it to become clean and pro by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cinnamon mostly hits the right spots for me.

      99% of the configurability I needed/used in KDE, without the wonky stuff like Akonadi.

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  7. Recently switched to KDE. by Stephen+Chadfield · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was always sniffy about KDE from way back when it was built using a non-free version of Qt. Recently I have found myself getting so annoyed by GNOME Shell that I decided to give it a try.

    What do you know? I really like it. It looks great and can be configured to work more or less how I like it. I think it might be a keeper.

    This is whatever version of KDE comes with Debian Jessie.

  8. KDE and QT by trojjan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a Qt developer, I've used(and developed for) KDE extensively. Although my primary DE is fluxbox, I always recommend KDE for a beginner and IMO it is the best Linux DE. Sucks that it too is following Gnome wrt eye-candy something fluxbox can't and won't do.

  9. Re:long time kde fan, just switched to xfce by marsu_k · · Score: 4, Informative

    But now kde5 has taken away the different backgrounds on each virtual desktop feature (it's kind of supported through some other feature, but the new way is confusing and way overkill), and more importantly they took away session restore! So if you shutdown/reboot/crash, none of your existing items will come back. So my multiple gvim windows, my sometimes dozens of shell windows, all gone. And they don't plan to fix that, because they say noone wants it. Well I do.

    I'll give you different backgrounds on virtual desktops (although you can emulate this with "activities" - but they're personally a feature I never use), but what on earth are you on about WRT session restore? Running KDE on Arch, so pretty much the latest version; System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Desktop Session, there's the "On Login" part that offers "Restore previous session", "Restore manually saved session" or "Start with an empty session", and also a selection for "Applications to be excluded from sessions". What more do you want?

  10. KDE created KHTML by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    KDE created KHTML.
    Webkit was forked from KHTML.
    Blink was forked from Webkit.

    Therefore everyone reading this on a browser other than Firefox or IE/Edge owes their browsing experience to KDE.

    KDE didn't get paid a thing for helping Apple and then Google dominate web browsing. Imagine what they could have achieved if they had been paid even a tiny fraction of the wealth that their code has generated.

  11. Through the teenage years by hierofalcon · · Score: 2

    Through the teenage years and on to having improper relationships with other desktops and O/Ss. It's already having kids. Maybe in a few more years it'll settle down and be reasonable to be around again.

  12. Re:long time kde fan, just switched to xfce by marsu_k · · Score: 2

    I can't speak for *buntu, but I just tried enabling session restore (I dislike it myself so I have it disabled), opened a few tabs in Konsole in different directories, logged out and back in. The Konsole tabs were opened just fine to where they were, with their command history intact. As were the rest of my programs. Not going to install gvim just to try it out, and it very well may be that it would not work; but judging by that kde.org thread (or rather, the one it has been marked a duplicate issue of), it seems many of those having problems are running *buntu.

  13. KDE1 is back by Cygn_H · · Score: 2

    For those who knew the real thing, it's up and running on Fedora 25b, with compliments of KDE Restoration Team.

  14. Congratulations, KDE! by halivar · · Score: 2

    19 years since the stable 1.0 dropped! I can't wait for it to finish compiling so I can try it out!

  15. Re:long time kde fan, just switched to xfce by Tepar · · Score: 2

    Session restore is still there. Go to System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Desktop Session. Under "On Login," make sure either "Restore Previous Session" (which is the default setting) or "Restore manually saved session" options are selected.

    You can easily get different backgrounds if you use activities instead of virtual desktops. Activities are pretty much the same except they're more powerful: you can have different widgets in different activities, and you can set various applications to auto-launch in those activities. For example, you can have a Desktop activity for your work and a Social activity that has your email client, Twitter client, etc. They can have different backgrounds and you can switch back and forth in the same way as with virtual desktops.

  16. KDE 1 neon Released by JRiddell · · Score: 2

    Get the very latest KDE 1 neon LTS edition with 20 years of support though the newest Dockerised container continuous integration system for devops deployment

    http://jriddell.org/2016/10/14...

  17. KDE made Linux usable for me for the first time by caseih · · Score: 2

    I remember dabbling in Linux about RedHat 5 times. I think my first home install was 5.1. Back then the default desktop for RH was FVWM, which in hindsight was pretty good. But coming from Windows 95, it was pretty bewildering and somewhat disjointed and not well integrated. I think it was about this time I started reading slashdot and heard about this new KDE desktop. KDE 1.0. Somehow there were packages for RH 5.1 or 5.2, so I downloaded them and installed. I was stunned. Except for the one-click nonsense I finally had a workable desktop with an integrated file manager, start menu, removable disk management and it looked kind of like Windows 95. Combine that with the release of WordPerfect 8 for Linux, and suddenly I had everything I needed to stay in Linux for my everyday work as a student. I quickly moved on to Gnome 1.x, although I can't for the life of me remember why as the first Gnome releases were horrible--maybe it was because gnome used proper double clicks. But I remember KDE 1.0 with fondness.

    A few years later another couple of landmark applications (at the time anyway) to come out of the KDE world that changed my life as a neophyte Linux programmer were the releases in the 2.0 days of kdevelop and kdbg. Especially the latter, as I found command-line debugging difficult, and I found ddd to be too complicated at the time. kdbg did the job and was easy to use. And Kdevelop helped introduce me to the world of Linux programming in C and C++. Now I just use vim and the command line, but Kdevelop, like KDE 1.0 before it, offered me a familiar environment to ease the learning curve of moving to Linux. I know it did the same for many of our students at university too after I deployed it along with the full KDE 2.0 (and also Gnome) suite in our labs.

  18. Converted a lot of OS/2 users to Linux early on... by slasher999 · · Score: 2

    Similarity between the early 1.x builds and the OS/2 WES convinced a lot of OS/2 users who felt abandoned by IBM to come over to Linux. I was one of them.

  19. i was there, man by Victor+Tramp · · Score: 2

    I remember KDE in the 90's. it was good stuff.

    KDE 3.5.x was peak KDE

    Nevertheless, I still use it.

    but I also use XFCE and LXDE and occasionally Gnome.

    I'm not bigoted. I like having choices.

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  20. Well I like it! by BellyJelly · · Score: 2

    Any article about KDE seems to bring out the haters, but I have used it since version 1 on Corel Linux (remeber Corel?). I've tried most other desktops over the years, and particularly tried really hard to like Enlightenment, but have always stuck with KDE. Even through the dodgy early years of KDE4. I just love how well all KDE apps integrate together, and I actually like that I can customise everything if I want.