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2016 Has Been an Ugly Year For Tech Layoffs, and It's Going To Get Worse, Says Analyst (ieee.org)

IEEE Spectrum writer Tekla Perry writes: Early this year, analyst Trip Chowdhry from Global Equities Research predicted that the tech world was going to see big layoffs in 2016 -- some 330,000 in all at major tech companies. At the time, these numbers seemed way over the top. Then IBM started slashing jobs in March -- and continued to wield the ax over and over as the year progressed. Yahoo began layoffs of some 15 percent of its employees in February. Intel announced in April that it would lay off 12,000 this year. So, was Chowdhry right? "Yes," he told me when I asked him this week. "The layoffs I predicted have been occurring." And worse, he says, these laid-off workers are never again going to find tech jobs: "They will always remain unemployed," at least in tech, he said. "Their skills will be obsolete." Some of these layoffs are due to a sea change in the industry, as it transforms to the world of mobile and cloud. But some are signs of a bubble about to pop. It's all going to get worse in 2017, he predicts, because that's when the tech bubble will burst. Chowdhry, someone who has never been reluctant to go out on a limb, is predicting that'll happen in March.

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  1. "IT" is on its way out by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Traditional IT roles are getting automated out of existence - it's all devops and cloud these days. Great time to be working for a cloud provider, though. AWS and Azure are rocking, Oracle is trying desperately (and I hear they have to pay well to get anyone to come), Apple seems to be working on their own thing, rather than using Azure. Google is trying to make that business work for them.

    Heck, lots of normal online businesses are hiring devs to make their stuff work in the cloud, so that's another path.

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    1. Re:"IT" is on its way out by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a strange claim, because up here in British Columbia, particularly in Vancouver and Victoria, there's a huge demand for IT workers, to the point where the industry in BC is starting to get very worried that the lack of tech workers could cause serious problems.

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    2. Re:"IT" is on its way out by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's amazing that this story is posted so close to the HP firing story because the same comments apply.

      People may say that there is no need for anything new, the old stuff works great, doesn't need to be replaced and such nonsense. It all comes from major misunderstanding of the economics. People don't necessarily buy new shoes or suits or mattresses, etc. because the old ones can no longer be used. People do it because they follow trends, because other people do it but most importantly because they have ability to do it, they have the means - money to do it.

      The real reason for all of these firings and shut downs is the stagflationary environment - high inflation and high unemployment, low savings and low rate of business formation, inability to put together the capital needed to start new businesses, to evolve existing businesses, to get the people to spend where they are already spending whatever they are making on food, energy and shelter. The growing expense on these items (food, energy and shelter) is completely tied to the level of inflation (expansion of the money supply without an underlying expansion of productivity).

      The people are unproductive, they are becoming more unproductive by the hour and so they are unable to earn enough to replace their toys because they are struggling to make ends meet.

      The reason the people are unproductive is lack of savings and thus lack of capital investment that is inherent in the system that destroys savings and prevents capital formation. The money comes into existence not because of business ventures but because the governments guarantee that money will be created and propagated through the system and they do so by suppressing the interest rates and yields, they do so by growing expenses paid with borrowing rather than with production, they do so by destroying the future of the economy by sacrificing the seed corn to pay for out of bounds consumption today.

      You have an economy that is in a massive depression actually and you are not even noticing it because of the artificial money creation that pushes up stock and housing prices. You are being bombarded with nonsensical 'economic' data that crowds out the real economic data that is important: the real negative interest rates, the real negative GDP, the real double digit unemployment numbers, the real lack of productivity due to the government intervention in the economy in every way, from businesses laws and regulations to income and wealth taxation to massive spending on government initiatives done with money that is borrowed from the future, thus crowding out legitimate business borrowing.

      With all the USA job numbers that come out, the only silver lining is that some government jobs also are sometimes cut, a thousand here, another thousand over there. That's the only beam of light in this otherwise bleak situation.

    3. Re:"IT" is on its way out by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've worked on a projects where cloud-outsourced systems got brought back on premise because cloud pricing was just too expensive. A capital outlay to migrate the entire environment on-premise paid for itself in 2 years.

      I'm currently working with a customer to finish an on-premise server refresh that they wanted to do cloud with (hey, cloud is free, right?) but the pricing on deploying their application in the cloud was double annually what the capital refresh was on premise.

      This specific client has a home-grown application for which there is no commercial replacement, it's only real failing is that the architecture is too monolithic but the economics of a top-down rewrite for cloud-friendly deployment don't work, especially on the timelines that would be needed.

      I don't think this is some weird exception, either, I think it's extremely common. I'm sure there is a whole world of cloud-oriented applications out there, but there's decades worth of on-premise IT that's working well and isn't moving into any kind of cloud environment any time soon, either.

    4. Re:"IT" is on its way out by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Getting charged roughly $50/month/VM is a massive waste of money...

      *Only* $50/month? Heh. Welcome to the wonderful world of being charged per GB/hour for storage, charged for every 1,000 PUTs, every 10,000 GETs, every CPU/hr, etc etc etc...

      I saw an AWS rig with four servers - that a previous employer wound up paying $20k/mo for until I cleaned it the hell up for them (and even then got it down to $4k/mo before I started asking them why the hell we don't just drag the VMs into our existing datacenter)...

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    5. Re:"IT" is on its way out by dbIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At the time I actually had a 70 year old former electrical transmission engineer rant at me about how shit the Pentium 4 was. He never designed microprocessors and even graduated before the transistor came out but he could list half a dozen problems with it that turned out to be correct - it turns out they were almost newbie mistakes.

    6. Re:"IT" is on its way out by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The USA in the 1800s had some rich people, but the economy didn't really get going until there were a vast number of people who were not poor. As we see in parts of the third world, a few billionaires in a place just means a tiny number of people doing well in a shithole - "trickle-down economics" is an extremely obvious lie told to the gullible. You may not agree with the extreme "trickle-down economics" bullshit but some here are either gullible enough to fall for it or want us to be gullible enough to fall for it.

  2. One man's loss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how many of these are actually cut positions versus outsourced replacements (H1Bs, etc)?

  3. Predictable when newer is not better by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of the IT spend was because new versions were better. Faster, more features, new shiny! Now people are waxing nostalgic for the older systems. Win7 is still king. And CPUs have been fast enough for a while. The only thing improving is drive speed as SSDs get larger and cheaper, but you can stick that in old kit and keep Win7! And who wants to drop a grand every 2 years on a phone that is not much better then the old one?

  4. "Always remain unemployed" by ITRambo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "They will always remain unemployed", referring to laid off tech workers, neglects to give most of them enough credit for being able to start their own businesses or to find a position at a smaller firm that needs their skills, probably for less money. But, to imply that they'll be obsolete is disingenuous.

  5. March by DarthVain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well March isn't that much of a stretch or a limb. March is easily the most obviously likely time for a tech crash to happen. March 31st being the end of fiscal reporting period when companies, corporations, etc... all do their end of fiscal reporting. Seeing that bubble tend to last as long as possible to the last minute when they finally pop, that would put it firmly in March particularly if you have companies trying to save face for Q1.

    As to 2017, who knows. I went into Computer Science and graduated just prior to the last bubble, which sucked.

    That said this isn't exactly like last time. This time the layoffs are in big old gigantic corporations that have been around forever, were built up on one product, expended into everything, and have been collapsing under their own weight for a very long time now after failing to innovate and being surpassed by other more competitive companies. In most cases the layoffs are all part of restructuring deals as they spinoff and sell the undesirable departments to others hoping to pick the bones clean (and in some cases are just buying IP and assets, not working employees).

  6. Re:Tech workers always have to stay current. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was out of work for two years (2009-10), told I was unemployable by recruiters, and got a full-time IT support job in 2011. As far as job skills were concerned, nothing changed during those two years.

  7. I think these predictions are questionable .... by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, the person who commented that it's "predictable when newer isn't better" is correct. Right now, I.T. technology is stagnant. IMO, that's not a bad thing either. What's happening is, just as many people are using computers and electronic devices as ever -- but the market has matured. There's a very low level of "techno lust" for the latest and greatest, because truthfully, what's already readily available is good enough for everything people want to do with their machines right now.

    There's finally some sanity in corporate America, where technology is getting replaced on a schedule that reflects the time-frame it takes for the old gear to physically wear out, instead of demands for 2-3 year replacement cycles just because "the new thing is already old, since it can't run the cool new OS and new versions of apps X and Y".

    And really, HP's situation is a different/unique one in the current round of layoffs. HP split their company into two, not long ago, realizing they had to jettison the "boat anchor" of printing/imaging so it didn't weigh down profits of the rest of the business. The HP doing all the layoffs now is the one holding the bag selling printers and scanners. They've also tried to acquire other printer manufacturers like Fujitsu, but ultimately, they're selling a product that's gone from a "must have" companion purchase with every new PC to a niche need. Their investment in 3D printing didn't appear to pan out either. (I think that's turned out to be a niche hobbyist interest, since it's still a very slow process to print a 3D object, the size of said object is really limited, AND it won't realize its full potential until there are much larger collections of downloadable projects to print. If all the major manufacturers of appliances offered a way to print repair parts on their "support" web sites, for example? Then you'd see 3D printing really take off.)

    But claiming the people who get laid off have no future in I.T.? That's FUD, plain and simple. The trend to cloudify everything is still strong, but I've worked in the field long enough to say I'm confident it's going to trend back the other direction in the next decade or so. If you just look at the ridiculous number of data breaches in the news in the last year or two, you quickly see the problems with concentrating a large number of customer's data in one place. But hacking aside, the cloud services amount to giving up direct control over big chunks of your business operations. When one of these services has an outage, you can't do anything but sit around and hope they actually provide some status updates to pass along to your users and to management. Everyone's first question is "When will it be back up?" and you're stuck shrugging and saying, "Beats me! We're at the mercy of the provider." When this happens enough times, companies start demanding some more accountability and control. And you tend to get locked in to these services too. So if they raise prices or change pricing structures, you can't do much besides pay the new, higher bill (or go through a huge, unplanned project to migrate all the data elsewhere and retrain everyone on how to access it). I'm not sure how a cloud provider decides someone with many years of general I.T. experience, including such things as administering servers, troubleshooting networks and supporting staff wouldn't have skills applicable to working for their business anyway? But cloud is an overrated buzzword, either way.

  8. Which Skills? by elfsternberg8092 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    None of the articles I've read on this theme list the skills are going to be out-of-date. Which skills? What disciplines?

    In 2008, I was laid off after 8 years at a large company, and I'd been using the same tools for those 8 years. As a front-end developer for dev-ops shops, my skills were woefully out-of-date: We'd been using Sencha (JS) and Webware (PY), with some Python 2 Python-to-C libraries. I knew nothing about what the cool kids were doing. I sat down and in a few days taught myself Django and jQuery; I rebooted by SQL knowledge from my 90s-era experience with Oracle and taught myself the ins and outs of Postgresql.

    And then, in the bottom of the recession, I took shit contracts that paid very little (in one mistake, nothing) but promised to teach me something. I worked for a Netflix clone startup; I traded my knowledge of video transcoding for the promise of learning AWS. I worked for a genetic engineering startup, trading my knowledge of C++ for the promise of learning Node, Backbone, SMS messaging, and credit card processing; a textbook startup, trading my knowledge of LaTeX for the promise of learning Java; an advertising startup trading my basic Django skills to learn modern unit testing; a security training startup, trading my knowledge of assembly language in order to learn Websockets.

    The market improved. I never stopped learning. I gave speeches at Javascript and Python meet-ups. Recruiters sought me out.

    I've been at another big company for four years now. Will things go to hell in March? I don't care. I have the one skill that matters.

  9. Re:Thanks Obamacare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In other countries you get health care AND jobs. What are you guys doing wrong?