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US Issues Emergency Ban On Flying With Samsung Galaxy Note 7, Offenders May Face Criminal Prosecution (transportation.gov)
Samsung Galaxy Note 7 smartphone will be banned from aircraft in the United States starting at noon EDT (1600 GMT) under an emergency order, regulators said on Friday. Among other penalties, those who attempt to circumvent the ban could be subjected to criminal prosecutions, the regulators added. Quartz reports: On Friday (Oct. 14), US Department of Transportation announced that passengers would no longer be able to bring the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 onto any flight in the United States. There have been nearly 100 reported cases of the phones catching on fire and spewing noxious black smoke, an undesired situation in an airplane's enclosed cabin. "Individuals who own or possess a Samsung Galaxy Note7 device may not transport the device on their person, in carry-on baggage, or in checked baggage on flights to, from, or within the United States," the US DOT statement said. Any travelers who violate the ban could be subject to criminal prosecution and fines. Samsung is expected to see a $5.3 billion loss in profits from the entire fiasco, mainly the cost of recalling, stopping production, and destroying phones.Samsung said it will send a text message to all Note 7 users to let them know about this ban.
how many dumb-a$$es will just drop them in their checked bags instead?
Citation needed.
I'm starting to think this was some kind of industrial espionage/cyberwarfare.
Two phones, with Chinese chargers, does not make for a 'history'.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
touch disease doesn't end with an explosion and fire.
Who still has a note 7 still? When they started catching fire and exploding and samsung started to offer a full refund who thinks na I'm good.
Um, no.
if the battery is at fault, you would have to leave it at flight origin and buy a new one at destination. Not the best choice, is it?
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Don't take his word for it
http://gizmodo.com/an-iphone-i...
http://www.cultofmac.com/29186...
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/...
https://www.cnet.com/news/ipho...
http://www.pcr-online.biz/news...
https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/22...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/09/29/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/09/30/ipho...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
And those are just the first two pages of Google links. It's not just Apple - all phones do this. All phones with lithium batteries have a chance of entering thermal runaway. It's inherent in the materials. That said, the Note 7 was close to two orders of magnitude above what a consumer device really should be in terms of spontaneous combustion. Still low probability, but too high for the disruptive nature of and heat generating device on an operating aircraft.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Dramatically understating the scope of the problem does not make for "safety":
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/te...
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com...
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...
http://www.phonearena.com/news...
http://www.bbc.com/news/techno...
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new...
And that's just the citations I could find from a 30-second Google search that didn't even glance beyond the second page of search results. Many (perhaps even most) of those phones were not being charged at the time of the incident.
Samsung said it will send a text message to all Note 7 users to let them know about this ban.
Well, that should be effective, seeing as how Samsung has told all Note 7 users to power off their phones.
This is reminiscent of IT departments that send out emails to users to tell them that the mail server is down.
Assuming anyone would want to hold a stock of batteries which could burst in flames any moment...
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Are you sure about the date and time? Yesterday (10/13) I took two US flights and before both there was an announcement that none of these phones were to be used on the flight.
And just establish a rule going forward, because SamSung is just the latest $flavor_of_the_year issue with lithium batteries.
Example: To bring any cell phone Or Non-TSA-certified laptop or electronic device aboard any plane, you must remove the battery and place the battery in a
poly container which you will purchase before security, and the gate attendant will seal and lock before you can board
the plane, where the battery will remain for the duration of the flight.
Any cell phone with a Non-removable Lithium-polymer or Lithium-ION battery may not be brought on-board;
for $100 you may purchase a larger sealed fireproof, smokeproof container to put the phone in which may then go into checked luggage, if it's not a Samsung Galaxy 7.
Honestly, this ban should be extended to all consumer grade devices that have non-removable batteries. Simply put, if your battery cannot be removed from the device, the safety of your device is strictly based on software. Consumer grade software has been known to fail in horrible ways.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
of a G7 user that just sat down on the seat but before plane is pushed off, and reading this article (unless TSA has a "amber alert" system to send out notices of newly banned items). I'm curious of kind of expression on their face.
mfwright@batnet.com
So, having gone through your links in more detail than you apparently did, it looks like you posted some dupes (#3 is a dupe report of #1 and #11 is the exact same link as #8), fell victim to a clickbait headline (#10 "blew up" in the sense that the iPhone bulged, not that it caught fire), and failed to account for incidents that were likely caused by trauma done to the device prior to any fireworks (as was the case for #4 and #7-9, all of which mention the user doing something that likely damaged the device).
That leaves us with four distinct incidents that don't have an immediate explanation (#1, 2, 5, and 6).
...since 2011.
...no two of which were for the same iPhone model.
That's about as close to a textbook example for "isolated incident" as you can get, given the tens of millions of iPhones sold during that time and that are currently in use worldwide. We expect to see a handful of isolated fires, given that thermal runaway events are a known issue with LiOn devices, but in a well-designed device, they should occur infrequently enough for them to not be a major concern, and that's exactly what we see from the examples you cited.
"Samsung is expected to see a $5.3 billion loss in profits from the entire fiasco"
$5 billion here, $5 billion there... pretty soon it adds up to real money.
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That's like complaining that the government is being unfair because it was quick to crack down on the Pinto but has been slow to crack down on the Model S.
Never mind that the situations are totally different. Sure, we can point to cases of both catching fire, but in one case it was due to a major design flaw, while in the other it's been primarily the result of extraordinary circumstances. In no way are the situations similar or deserving of similar treatment. Likewise with these phones. Samsung apologists keep trying to suggest that the media/government/others are playing favorites, rather than accepting the fact that the device is demonstrably unsafe for some reason we don't yet know, and that the incident rate for these thermal runaway events far exceeds what we'd expect for a LiOn device, whereas the iPhone's incident rate has so far fallen in line with industry and regulatory expectations.
As for touch disease, sure, it needs investigating, but mentioning it in this conversation is like bringing up the zit on your conversation partner's face when they point out that you urgently need to go to the hospital.
Oh, the irony!
Have gnu, will travel.
how many people here old enough to know what a Pinto is? or when they had the fire problem? Or wonder how did horses become involved in this discussion?
mfwright@batnet.com
You're partially right - I just cut and pasted. I had no intent on making a dissertation. I intentionally went back 5 years to show that it has *always* been happening. There are far more battery anomalies than just those that hit the headlines, but I 'm sure you knew that. That's why I also pointed out that it happens to all manufacturers. (It's easier to name a brand or device and "explodes" to get results, hence my choice of a single brand name with a lot of handsets)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
won't TSA screeners just confiscate Note7 phones (along with nail scissors and family sized toothpaste etc)
Phones don't kill people, their stupid lack of impulse control while crossing the road does.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
You can pay Apple (not sure about android phones, but I'd assume there's some kind of service) a fairly cheap fee ($79) to open the device and swap the battery. It's a lot cheaper than buying a whole new device.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
People could supply a few on a freelance basis. It's the magic of the gig economy!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You consider $79 cheap?
A replacement battery for a phones usually costs something like $10-$20. Replacing a battery should take maybe 10 minutes on a phone that is not especially designed to make replacing the battery hard. So you're paying more than $60 for 10 minutes of work. That's not cheap.
It's all in lowercase, because he thinks that's "edgy" or something.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
By the clustering of dates in your "Citations", that looks like about one or two incidents PER YEAR, spread over FIVE YEARS (not to mention the DUPLICATE "Citations" you included); so I would say your "couple of orders of magnitude" difference between iPhones exhibiting thermal runaway and GN7s doing the same, is quite conservative.
Dat butt hurt so soooo strong son!
You're right. But Samsung is doing their best to make it up to their customers.
As for touch disease, sure, it needs investigating, but mentioning it in this conversation is like bringing up the zit on your conversation partner's face when they point out that you urgently need to go to the hospital.
So called "Touch Disease" doesn't "need investigating". It is a simple Contract-Manufacturer PRODUCTION issue.
You can Google similar "Touch Disease" (more difficult to do, since it hasn't been given a catchy name) for MANY devices, including phones, tablets, and laptops, for MANY years, It is a SOLDERING problem, caused by large Ball-Grid-Array (BGA) IC packages and either poor IR reflow soldering, contaminated PC boards, or warped PC boards. It is NOT a "Design Defect", as some have opined. It is a PRODUCTION problem. Period.
Nothing to see here, move along. If you want to take your iPhone apart, and you're careful, you can probably fix it with a heat gun.
You consider $79 cheap? A replacement battery for a phones usually costs something like $10-$20. Replacing a battery should take maybe 10 minutes on a phone that is not especially designed to make replacing the battery hard. So you're paying more than $60 for 10 minutes of work. That's not cheap.
Compared with the price of a new phone, yes, $79 is fucking REALLY cheap.
Oh, and these aren't batteries that you can go buy at Batteries+. So don't try to insult us by comparing the highly-specific, top-of-battery-tech Smartphone's "pancake" battery with a AA-form-factor cordless telephone battery pack you can buy off the rack at Walmart.
And these phones aren't specifically designed to make battery replacement hard. They are specifically designed to make the phones THIN. I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion regarding that. I just put it out there as a fact.
Not much talk on what exactly is causing these fires. My first impression was something was getting hot and compromising the battery. Since battery failures are actually rare. Which meant something was either physically compromising them or it was happening electrically. Because nothing else in a phone can create that much heat than a Lithium battery. With these phones cramming all the technology into a thin and small device. That also is getting faster hardware which typically results in more heat. One has to wonder going forward if other devices could have this problem. It certainly got past quality testing.
Samsung is simply charging their huge battery too quickly, permanently damaging it, and in some cases, causing thermal runaway. But they didn't want to admit that it would take FOUR HOURS to charge their phone, when the iPhone charges in TWO HOURS; so Samsung gambled with an inappropriate "Fast Charge" profile, and lost.
Samsung took a novel approach to power regulation so the 7 could be charged more quickly than other smartphones.
"Novel" approach? That's choice!
More like, "Dangerously Inadvisable" by all industry standards.
And that's what I have been saying since this story broke almost a month ago.
You have to give people some time to implement the rules. People are on their way to the airport, in the airport, on connecting flights, etc., with their phones. You have to give the employees time to learn how to recognize the phones.
That God the government is protecting us from this threat that almost killed us all.
novel approach
is that a euphamism for "colossally fucked up"
Snowden and Manning are heroes.