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NASA Has No Plans To Buy More Soyuz Seats (spaceflightnow.com)

schwit1 writes: Both Boeing and SpaceX better get their manned capsules working by 2019, because NASA at this point has no plans to buy more seats on Russian Soyuz capsules after the present contract runs out. Spaceflight Now reports: "Even as the commercial crew schedules move later into 2018, NASA officials say they are not considering extending the contract with Roscosmos -- the Russian space agency -- for more launches in 2019. The last Soyuz launch seats reserved for U.S. astronauts are at the end of 2018. It takes more than two years to procure components and assemble new Soyuz capsules, so Russia needed to receive new Soyuz orders from NASA by some time this fall to ensure the spacecraft would be ready for liftoff in early 2019." The second paragraph above notes that even if NASA decided it needed more Soyuz launches, it is probably too late to buy them and have them available by 2019. "A Soyuz is a complicated vehicle, and a complicated vehicle doesn't come into existence in a matter of days," said Kirk Shireman, NASA's space station program manager. "It takes over two years to build a Soyuz, so yes, at some point in time, building a new Soyuz vehicle is not an option. We're working with our Russian counterparts on exactly when that is. We have not crossed that date yet, but I believe the date is in sight. It will be this calendar year when we will cross the point where we won't be able to build a Soyuz in time for when our last seats that we've already procured expire," Shireman said.

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  1. no soyuz seats = no space for nasa astronauts by sittingnut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "boeing and spacex better get their manned capsules working by 2019"
    lol. perhaps in 2025 at >10x cost of soyuz (inflation adjusted)
    enough said.

    better lay off the astronauts till then.

  2. Re:The solution is simple... by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

    No need. The Chinese already have a copy. The Shenzhou.

  3. Good by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ISS, like the Space Shuttle program before, is more of an ongoing PR promotion (and jobs program) than any kind of useful scientific mission.

    Either send humans to Mars or stick with unmanned missions. More manned trips just to sit in LEO and pretend to do something useful are just pissing away money. It's time to end the charade.

    Sadly, NASA will probably just end up funneling even more money to politically-connected contractors with the excuse that we need to build our own rockets, throwing even more good money after bad.

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  4. SpaceX Dragon 2 should be ready by frank249 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is proven technology as it already delivers supplies to ISS and returns safely. They have tested the abort system on the ground along with the other systems. I do not see why they will not be ready for flights in 2018. Boeing on the other hand is still way behind

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    1. Re:SpaceX Dragon 2 should be ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is proven technology as it already delivers supplies to ISS and returns safely. They have tested the abort system on the ground along with the other systems. I do not see why they will not be ready for flights in 2018. Boeing on the other hand is still way behind

      Keep dreaming. SpaceX has never launched a person into space. Dragon 2 may be ready for testing by 2018, but given SpaceX's recent spotty record with launches, NASA in no way will put an astronaut on a SpaceX rocket or an untested Dragon 2. Their safety rating and supplier quality control needs to be dramatically improved before that happens.

    2. Re:SpaceX Dragon 2 should be ready by nick1austin · · Score: 2

      One one rocket blew up this year, and one last year (two rockets in two years). The reasons for both are known with over 99% certainty. (CRS-7 was failure of a helium tank strut, AMOS-6 was formation of crystals of solid oxygen within the COPV overwrap). Both NASA and SpaceX investigated the CRS_7 accident and disagreed about probably cause. SpaceX went with the NASA report and implemented ALL of NASAs recommendations. Dragon 2 shares a common design with Red Dragon and there is no way Elon will allow that slip because Red Dragon can only launch on certain dates and missing 2018 would mean a delay to Red Dragon of 27 months.

  5. Re: Good by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The United States has NEVER fought an enemy without air superiority. The only enemy that came close was Japan and only until the US started sinking their carriers in the Coral Sea. Germany had already lost the battle of Britain by the time the US came on the scene and the Luftwaffe was decimated and never recovered - especially after having to also deal with the Russian front after Barbarossa. While the US has more aircraft than Russia, the US also has a lot of front and a lot more bases to defend - from Japan to Lithuania. Plus American aircraft are extremely high tech, delicate creatures. Russian aircraft are built to be rugged and most of them can land on grass strips and other rough surfaces. Any American who over-estimates the potential of his armed forces against an enemy such as Russia and China (they have a mutual defense pact by the way so an aggressive America would not be fighting only one enemy) is in for a nasty, nasty shock.

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  6. Re:Won't matter anyway. by sycodon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obama is paving the way

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  7. 2 years seems rather excessive by Solandri · · Score: 2

    2 years to build a new Soyuz capsule after it's ordered? It takes Boeing and Airbus about 80 days to build a 777 or A380.

    Even factoring in number of orders doesn't account for the difference. There are about 15 Soyuz launches per year. Airbus is delivering about 30 A380s per year. So that would only account for a factor of 2, putting expected build time for a Soyuz at 160 days, or less than half a year.

    1. Re:2 years seems rather excessive by speedplane · · Score: 3, Funny

      2 years to build a new Soyuz capsule after it's ordered? It takes Boeing and Airbus about 80 days to build a 777 or A380.

      Wow, 80 days to make a 777? It takes Toyota only 17 hours to make a car! Wow, 17 hours to make a car? It takes my corner deli three minutes to make a sandwhich!

      False comparisons anyone?

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  8. Re: Good by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

    https://warisboring.com/india-... :

    In the past decade, the Indian Air Force has bought hundreds of Su-30MKI fighter jets from Russia. ...
    But it turns out, the twin-engine jets have failure-prone motors. Their AL-31FP engines break down with alarming frequency. ...
    Parrikar attributed the failures to faulty bearings that contaminated the plane’s oil supply. It seems that metal fatigue led to tiny pieces of metal shearing off the friction-reducing bearings, which then entered the oil system. ...
    However, a more general worry for the Air Force is the poor serviceability of the Su-30MKI fleet—meaning the number of aircraft actually available for operations on a daily basis. ...
    Based on figures given by Parrikar, only 110 Su-30MKIs are “operationally available.” From a total of more than 200 aircraft that Irkut and HAL had delivered by February 2015, that means 56 percent are ready at any given time.

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n... :

    According to a report by the Beijing-based Sina Military Network, the Russian-built engine used in the J-10 is prone to malfunction, having caused multiple crashes in recent years. ...
    The Russian-built engine had lost power at over 11,000 feet, said pilot Li Tong, who ejected at 1,000 feet following an abortive 198-second attempt to glide the aircraft to a local airfield. ...
    According to Chinese naval publications cited by Sina, consultations with Russian providers to find a solution for the AL-31 compatibility issues have been delayed for want of funding.

    It's not like this isn't a widely reported problem... It isn't exclusive to the AL-31 series engine used in the Su-27 and derivatives either. The RD-33 engines used in the Mig-29 allegedly have such low lifetimes that most of them have been retired in the countries that actually did buy them. While Mig-21 from the 1960s are still flying...

  9. Re: Good by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

    http://www.defensenews.com/sto... :

    India ordered 45 MiG-29K aircraft and equipment worth $2.2 billion in two separate orders — in 2004 and 2010 — from Russia. It is the primary combat platform on Vikramaditya, which was acquired from Russia when it was known as the Admiral Gorshkov...
    On problems with the engine, the CAG report said: "Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engined MiG-29K have been withdrawn from service/rejected due to design-related defects." ...
    Additionally, the serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 21.30 percent to 47.14 percent, according to the report. ...
    Detailing the defects of the engine on MiG-29K, the report noted that "even as the RD-33 MK engine (mounted on MiG-29K) was considered an advancement over the engine of the MiG-29K, its reliability remains questionable."