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Anti-Defamation League and Pepe the Frog's Creator Are Teaming Up To Save Pepe From Hate-Symbol Status (businessinsider.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Business Insider: Matt Furie, the creator of the widely known "Pepe the Frog" meme, is joining forces with the Anti-Defamation League to reclaim the symbol from the alt-right and make it a "force for good," according to a press release. Furie and the ADL plan to start a social-media campaign by creating "a series of positive Pepe memes and messages" and promoting them with the hashtag #SavePepe, according to the release. The ADL declared "Pepe the Frog" to be a hate symbol in late September. "It's completely insane that Pepe has been labeled a symbol of hate, and that racists and anti-Semites are using a once peaceful frog-dude from my comic book as an icon of hate," Furie said in a column for Time magazine. While fiercely condemning the "racist and fringe groups" that use Pepe to propagate divisive views, Furie said Pepe was meant to "celebrate peace, togetherness, and fun." The meme, which originated from a 2005 cartoon, has been hijacked by the alt-right movement in the past several months. Members of the movement have used the meme to convey often racist and anti-Semitic messages. The messages prompted the ADL to add Pepe to its "Hate on Display" database, which documents anti-Semitic hate symbols. According to the ADL's press release on the #SavePepe campaign, Furie will speak at its "Never Is Now" summit against anti-Semitism on November 17 in New York City. The panel will focus specifically on online hate campaigns. Furie published a new Pepe cartoon on Monday detailing his "alt-right election nightmare," which depicts a sad Pepe morphing into a frog that resembles Donald Trump and then a monster. Pepe appears trapped in the mouth of the monster. The next panel depicts a nuclear explosion. Pepe then awakes and hides under his mattress.
Everyone who sees that comic is just going to laugh harder than they were before.
It's fucking hilarious seeing these losers take a stupid meme so seriously.
If speech doesn't offend anyone, nobody will try to ban it. The only type of speech in need of protection is that which someone considers offensive and wants to ban. I consider hate speech a good thing because it's indicative of a free society. One of the first things to go in a society that isn't free is hate speech, a fact that has been documented throughout history. Regimes that aren't free tend to restrict speech, and we need to promote free thought and free speech. In a free society, you should speak against hate speech rather than attempt to ban it.
Yup, we are currently living with wide spread insanity. Facts no longer matter, and people who don't believe in your political opinion are spreading hate.
Question though: Who is attempting to stifle speech? The people with the opposing opinion or those on the left? So are they making the frog a symbol of hate speech? I'm very confused.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Some quotes from a NYMag article, "What Happens When Hillary Clinton Calls Your Cartoon Frog Racist" just over a month ago:
Neither the elder or the younger Trump actually crafted the Pepe images they posted — credit for that goes to the hateful meme factories of the so-called alt-right. Indeed, Pepe has become something of a mascot for them. But Pepe predates their rise to national prominence, and his creator, cartoonist Matt Furie, could not be less connected to their movement. He’s been drawing Pepe on and off as part of a surreal comic strip called Boy’s Club since 2005, and he doesn’t seem to care at all about the ways the character has been used to create havoc online. “Politics are for dorks,” he tells me in an email
Trump’s retweeting of a Pepe meme seemed like a nonevent to him. “I’m sure it was just a young Republican dude posting it to appeal to smug Trumpies,” he says. “It was just as amusing as anything else stupid on the internet.” When I ask him if any use of Pepe has shocked or disgusted him, he replies, “Not really — there is all kinds of idiotic stuff on the internet. I usually just check my email or go on Facebook or something.”
“Pepe is everything and nothing,” Furie says. “He is stupid and amazing at the same time — kinda like life. Pepe is life.”
One thing he clearly expresses is how little he’s been moved by Pepe’s most notable moments of fame. I ask how it felt when Perry and Minaj posted Pepe memes and all he says is, “I don’t care.” I bring up last year’s bizarre “Rare Pepe” craze, in which 4chan users semi-seriously attempted to counteract mainstream appropriation of Pepe by flooding the board with unique versions of him; he muses, “I just sit back, relax and let the Pepes fall where they land, my friend!”
He doesn’t seem that interested in discussing the other characters and comics, either. “They are what they are: just weird comics about a bunch of weird fraggles hanging out in mysterious nothingness,” he says. I ask him if he sees any sadness in the quartet’s gross lives and his reply is blunt: “No, they are just dumb cartoons.”
But ultimately, it doesn’t seem like Furie loses much sleep over questions about Pepe’s significance or what the frog means for him as an artist. Or, at least, that’s the image he wants to project. “I love to Google my own name,” he says. “I’m much more concerned about ‘Matt Furie.’ I’ll never be as popular as the frog, but I’m alive: something he can never be.”
So he went from a laissez-faire attitude about Pepe to battling the alt-right and, by extension, the Literal Hitler Candidate, Donald Trump. He's either been offered a shitload of money and book deals, or his life was threatened.
Do you have some archive links as proof? be cooler if 4channers[1] did it rather than twitter users: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09...
[1] hey mook sometimes used that term!
Just rename it Streisand Frog
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I'm confused why everyone is losing their mind over a crappy cartoon in the first place. Guess it beats the days where people had to worry about war, disease, starvation, oppression, and hopelessness. Good thing we solved all those problems at least.
Hate symbols can be used to intimidate people and hurt them. But what's really wrong isn't the symbol itself per se, but the threat communicated by it. You've likely often heard some mishmash about not tolerating intolerance, often as a self-serving justification, but I doubt many people excusing themselves with it have even read anything by Karl Popper, so let's just quote him, shall we? I mean, he is the source of that particular idea, so maybe he knows a thing or two:
(emphasis added)
Thus we have self-appointed defenders of tolerance pulling this crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?... when the intolerance he was trying to defend us from was the use of violence to shut down ideas, which is a sad mockery of the ideals he promoted.
Next up, people across the internet band together to defend the honor and dignity of a real person!
How much of that racism and anti-Semitism is actually real, and how much — "false flag" operations by DNC-operatives like these?
In addition to these thugs on the ground, Clinton's campaign also employs online trolls (like Putin). If her political consultants aren't directing some of these guys to create fake "hate posts" — as their ethics clearly allow them to do — they aren't earning their pay...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
So, the ADL and the press are going to stop lying about and slandering Pepe? That is good news.
Oh, not that? They are going to try the anti-racist skinhead gambit? What do you mean you've never heard of anti-racist skinheads? Well, crap, I guess there may be a reason for that, and one that doesn't bode well for this nonsense.
See that "Preview" button?
Here's what one of the new strips looks like.
http://i.imgur.com/3j1Y1pt.png
Here is what was immediately (within hours) done with it:
http://i.imgur.com/DM8FCzc.png
http://i.imgur.com/sSYU61s.png
The TL:DR version of this story was that someone trolled 'The Daily Beast' pretty hard by creating a lot of fake racist Pepe's under a pseudonym of 'Jared Taylor Swift'. To quote the article the Daily Beast ended up publishing was 'more or less a complete troll job,”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/regression-to-the-meme-1473960707
Racism in jest is still racism. It's not like phrasing it as a joke somehow makes it less demeaning. There are ways to show racism ironically (the Monty Python gameshow skit Prejudice shows how satirical racism can be used effectively), but whatever 4chan's basement dwellers are doing, it isn't satire, and it most certainly isn't ironic. Perhaps it is the verbal equivalent of farting in a small room, but just because you laugh afterwards doesn't mean it smells any sweeter.
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whatever 4chan's basement dwellers are doing, it isn't satire, and it most certainly isn't ironic.
Most 4channers are just trolls. But ironically, there are some genuinely ironic types in there as well. I don't think it's worth sifting through to find them, but they do crop up.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Monty Python's Prejudice
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I'm honestly more concerned about anti-semitism from the left, at present. Sure, there are some alt-right wackos online - but on the left, the wackos railing against a "Zionist conspiracy" get positions of authority, like heading the national union of students here in the UK. And then you've got the left's disconcerting alliance with Islamists, some of whom are downright genocidal...
I couldn't think of anything I gave less of a shit about when I heard that some group of retards was calling a cartoon frog that made funny faces racist, and then this bullshit came up. Can we just stop talking about them forever? They are not, have never, and will never have any meaningful impact on anything. Their ideas are stupid and pointless. Just forget they exist and they really will cease to exist.
Now there's nothing actually wrong with being Jewish.
Oh oh... I'm telling on you
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Even if all that is true (I can't be bothered to check), it was a waste of time. In the end nothing the DNC or Clinton did made much difference. Trump's own words and actions are what ruined his campaign. From the sexual assault to stalking her during the last debate to pretty much everything he has said during the campaign, he played a risky game and ultimately lost.
My guess is that he saw Brexit and guys like Farrage, the man everyone loves to hate, the most punchable face in Britain, and thought it could work for him too.
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Let me get this straight - they're going to try to tie Trump into this? The same Trump who is officially recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capitol?
It's sad the lengths the looney left has to go to to pretend the Trump is a racist, antisemite, whatever.
Do you have ESP?
You're confused. "False flag" is not the word you're looking for, "agents provocateurs" is.
It's funny that the most damning thing you can say about these political agitators is that they're very good at making Trump supporters drop their tendies and REEEE at the slightest provocation.
The point is, they tried. Which means, their ethics allow it. So they'll try again — Clinton ain't hurting for money and is not afraid to spend it.
Sexual assault is rape. Kissing, however unwanted, is not sexual assault. Besides, there is no evidence, he's ever actually done even that much — only talked.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Just wait three more weeks or so, and it'll be all over.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
Read the link carefully (and watch the video). Some of the things listed really were "false flag" operations. Such as:
See? Their real flag would have the letter "H" on it with the strange "move right" arrow on it. But "it just doesn't have that same effect", so they falsely raised the flag of "grassroots". Hence "false flag".
Not an ounce of shame in you, is there? Nothing like "OMG, I can't believe Hillary Clinton, such a lady it seemed, could possible have approved anything like that!" None... A typical Democrat.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I love the way you boldly posted a link which actually debunks your claim. Grabbing someone by the pussy would also qualify as sexual assault.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Good: comic creator wants to fix the belligerent, intolerant message attached to it by wingnuts.
Bad: comic creator decides to do so by using an belligerent, intolerant message that attacks a guy who had nothing to do with the ill-gotten appropriation of his character.
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Read the Federalist papers.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Maybe, but I was talking about kissing. But, whatever — neither of the two Presidential nominees have ever done it. There is not even a credible accusation, much less proof.
Intimidating witnesses and victims of rape — yes, of that Hillary Clinton, the women's champion, was rather credibly accused decades ago, and not once. Maybe, Democrats should concentrate on making her more likable, instead of worrying about Pepe.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Maybe, but I was talking about kissing.
Funny, I could have sworn you said (and I quote):
"sexual assult is rape"
Along with a link saying it is not in fact the case.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
What I said right next to that was: "Kissing, even if unwanted, is not sexual assault". Funny, you chose to completely ignore that.
Now, the "sexual assault is rape" bit was sarcasm. To turn a sexual assault into rape requires about as much (slightly less, actually) semantic-stretching as is needed to turn a kiss, however unwanted, into an assault. And battery — as a colleague of yours was doing yesterday.
Back to the basics — the point of mine you desperately try to ignore — is that neither of the two Presidential nominees have ever done it. There is not even a credible accusation, much less proof.
Intimidating witnesses and victims of rape — yes, of that Hillary Clinton, the women's champion, was rather credibly accused decades ago, and not once. Maybe, Democrats should concentrate on making her more likable, instead of worrying about Pepe.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
But what if they let you grab them by the pussy? I hear there are lots of women who let musicians, TV & movie stars, etc, grab them by the pussies.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Oh, so you're mad that they misrepresented themselves, that they were more organized than they appeared? That counts as "false flagging"? You poor thing. Tricking dumb people is cheating. It's just not fair.
Yet somehow that is different than James O'Keefe's conspiracy theorists pretending to be people they weren't.
I think you're mad because of your video demonstrates: Democrats are master manipulators whose main weakness is they like to brag, and Trump supporters are violent rubes who can be provoked into a frothy rage on cue. Your big coup is evidence that you're easily trolled.
If somebody goes to a political rally for black people dressed in a klan robe and yelling "N*GGER N*GGER N*GGER" and he gets punched, whose fault is it, and what does it say about everyone involved?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
In fact, another way to look at it is: which of the R team candidates in the primary could have lost to Clinton?
I mean, maybe Fiorina or Carson. Probably others I'm not even remembering. (There were a lot of them after all.) But Jeb!, Kasich, even Lyin' Ted or Rubio could probably have beat Clinton.
The lizard people came at it from both directions. Clinton's only path to coronation was getting Trump nominated on the R team.
As predicted, Trump's role is now to completely self-destruct. I was surprised by the Russia angle, but it adds up to more things in the coming shitstorm. So, we get a warmonger president (Clinton) and an apparent mandate by "the people" to start Cold War 2.0 and go after the Russkies.
Anybody who is being partisan us-vs-them R vs D red vs. blue about this is lost in the moon matrix (MSM/lamestream media). That's right. People foaming at the mouth at Clinton who want Trump are lost in the moon matrix. People foaming at the mouth at Trump who want Clinton are lost in the moon matrix. That's exactly what the lizard people had planned to happen.
If we're all foaming at the mouth because of the "them" candidate, how will we ever remember that the only way out of this mess is to go and vote Libertarian or Green? I don't mean just for president, either. There are some on the R team or D team worth keeping around, but if anything is going to change before it's too late, we need Libertarians and Greens in state offices and in congress right now.
It may still be too late even, but "Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
Its amazing having these clueless people that don't know anything about memes attempt to subvert them.
Its like the fucking mainstream media trying to control hashtags or something.
They don't get it. No one owns this crap. Anyone can use pepe or a hashtag. Its decentralized, leaderless, and chaotic.
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"You are an idiot. Facsism is NOT a left ideology."
Fascism had plenty of left-leaning ideologies; socialism is rather credited as a left-leaning ideology. But as it was, when the Fascists came around in WWI via Italy, they pulled from both dies and considered themselves centric instead of left or right.
"You should probably shut up and let the informed adults talk."
Utterly ironic that you say that after your ignorant-ass blurb.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Where does it say Trump is a racist or anti-Semite? You are spouting a non-sequitur. It does call the alt-right racist and anti-Semitic, which is of course true, but not Trump.
"Furie published a new Pepe cartoon on Monday detailing his "alt-right election nightmare," which depicts a sad Pepe morphing into a frog that resembles Donald Trump and then a monster."
Uh, that was hard?
I mean, I know we don't rtfa around here but that came from the summary.
Anyway, it's sad that they pretend that antisemitism is a disease of the right when it's a far-left/far-right issue. Donald Trump has nothing to do with it - ask Hillary where the capitol of Israel is.
Do you have ESP?
I really, really, really envy some people for their problems.
Out here in the real world, people have real problems.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Funny, you chose to completely ignore that.
Why is it funny? What's that got to do with you saying "sexual assault is rape"?
Now, the "sexual assault is rape" bit was sarcasm.
Well that wasn't obvious from the context.
colleague of yours
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Intimidating witnesses and victims of rape
Dod you even read your own link? And that's the best spin on it that that a right wing mouthpiece can muster up? Not very damning.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
when its not a symbol of the alt-right, it isn't a force for good.
#dumbfrogposters
So, at worst he's as bad as Hillary?
I can't stand either one and won't vote for either one, but, geeze, I can't imagine what it would look like if Hillary were held to the same standard that Trump is.
Do you have ESP?
So the 9(last I checked) sexual assault accusers, including at least one with a witness is completely fabricated, especially after he has described himself as one who forces himself on women because he's rich and famous?
It's quite ironic that while he's running for president, he's being accused of sexual assault, much like Bill Clinton was. And here you are.. defending him with every breath you take, trying to discredit the sexual assault accusations made against him.. are you going to start personally discrediting each woman accusing him Much like what HRC did for her husband? You could cut it with a knife, that very thick irony.
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Nobody should read anything that comes from James O'Keefe, the failed self-righteous right-wing troll.
The Hillary camp is just as likely to say that Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is likely to cause problems in the Middle east, especially with countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, neglecting that those countries sponsor both Isis and the Clinton Foundation. yada yada yada "my nuanced foreign policy"
Trump is an idiot no doubt. Any well rounded person could have a field day in a debate with Clinton. It is easy to make tacit links between actors all over the place, in this case, Hillary and Isis are linked in ways that she can't possibly deny. Though I am sure she will try.
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Just because his daughter married someone who is jewish and converted doesn't mean he's not racist.
My grandpa was still racist even after the fact that he had a black daughter-in-law and half-black grand-daughter. It took him a LONG time to get the racist BS out of his head about black people, but he's still racist towards asians and indians, that hasn't changed.
#BuyPepe
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--- Jerry Garcia
From the beginning it was the shitposter-frog.
Fascism is not leftwing. You just dont understand how Left Europe is that socialist fascists can appear to be "right".
declaring everyday items and symbols as hate symbols, to strike terror and distrust into the heart of fellow man!
they should add their own logo to their database of "hate symbols".
who do they think they are, to be able to decide whats a hate symbol or not?
why should we care what those fanatics claim?
You can say that while I'm connected to several thousand Europeans daily in my video chats.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Are you people SERIOUS? Well, if you needed proof that liberalism is a mental illness, here you go.
I swear, these liberal twats are TOO funny. They can't help themselves be anything but OUTRAGED about everything that they disagree with. So, now conservatism itself is a 'hate group'? Why? Because we respect the law (and law enforcement)? Expect people to get off their asses and work for their next meal? Respect other people's opinion whether we disagree with it or not? Expect to not be taxed to death to prop up people too lazy to work their asses off like the rest of us? I mean, my god that's just a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE ideology, is it not?
I am bloody disgusted with whiny asses that feign outrage when someone disagrees with them. Liberals spend their lives finding shit to be offended over, and when they DO find something they brand supporters of that as some sort of -ist (racist, sexist, fascist, whatever). As if name calling will make it all better.
Liberals want everyone to think and act like them and if not you're reviled, outcast, made out to be the next Hitler (re: Trump). Who else could be called a racist for wanting to ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW? (And by, Mexican/Hispanic/Latino IS NOT A RACE you ignoramuses.) Who else could be called a sexist/misogynist for comments made over a decade ago by liberals, but who also defend an ACTUAL sexual assaulter in Bill Clinton?
Who else wants sodas banned because kids are fat, but also ban freeze tag, et. al. because kids might get hurt?
Who else calls spanking child abuse, then berates the teacher when their little cretins assault them?
Who else says Capital Punishment is inhumane, but supports abortion?
This list goes on and on. But let's not let Pepe the frog become a hate symbol.
You all want to know why we're fucked eight ways from Sunday in this country? Because fucking liberals are doing their god-damnedest to destroy it. The American flag is a hate symbol to them. The Republicans as well. Whites and their privilege. Words are the worst of all.
You want to know why we're where we are now? One word. Liberals. Not conservatives. Period.
Pax Vobiscum
No, I can say it because it is true.
The entire human political struggle is the individual vs the state. In broad strokes, from Left to Right:
Totalitarianism > Communism > Socialism > Progressvism > [center] > Conservativism > Objectivism > Libertarianism > anarchy
That's "total government and no individuals" to "all individuals and no government".
In Europe, the furthest Right they ever get is Progressive. So when the communists smear the socialists they call them "rightwing" because to them, THEY ARE rightwing.
Fascism is a variant of socialism and communism. It MEANS SOMETHING. It's not just a "catch-all" or "shorthand" for whatever you hate, or find oppressive. Just because the communists in europe call the socialists rightwing, doesn't mean you can call the Tea Party or the Libertarians, socialists or fascists.
The Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term "National socialism"). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities-where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist. You equate the fascists with "jack-booted thugs", forgetting what it was that the thugs were there to enforce in the first place: national socialism.
And then, there's this:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler, Quoted in John Toland, "Adolf Hitler", p224.
Yeah, that sounds totally like the American Right. *Totally*