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ESA Lander's Signal Cut Out Just Before It Was Supposed To Land on Mars (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader shares an ArsTechnica report: On Wednesday, the European Space Agency sought to become the second entity to successfully land a spacecraft on Mars with its Schiaparelli lander. And everything seemed to be going swimmingly right up until the point that Schiaparelli was to touch down. The European scientists had been tracking the descent of Schiaparelli through an array of radio telescopes near Pune, India and were able to record the moment when the vehicle exited a plasma blackout. The scientists also received a signal that indicated parachute deployment. But during the critical final moments, when nine hydrazine-powered thrusters were supposed to fire to arrest Schiaparelli's descent, the signal disappeared. At that point, the European Space Agency's webcast went silent for several minutes before one of the flight directors could be heard to say, "We expected the signal to continue, but clearly it did not. We don't want to jump to conclusions."

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  1. Really? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously? This is a joke... I mean, who thought sending a mission to Mars would be this hard?

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    1. Re:Really? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Live people are much better with dealing with things when they go off script.

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    2. Re:Really? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even in the 60's the moon landings were done by computer. Could a live pilot have executed no, not with the equipment they sent, the fuel use and tolerances for error were far to small.

      I believe on Apollo 11 a human had to take over on the landing.

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    3. Re:Really? by johannesg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even in the 60's the moon landings were done by computer. Could a live pilot have executed no, not with the equipment they sent, the fuel use and tolerances for error were far to small.

      Nice story. Now here's what really happened: http://www.space.com/26593-apo...

    4. Re:Really? by WhiplashII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, no. Niel Armstrong really did fly the lunar lander. He really did run it almost totally out of fuel, because he had to avoid a huge rock. If he hadn't done that, the vehicle would have gone splat.

      By the way, the computer was completely spazzing out during the landing and was not giving good data. Fortunately it was written in a way that kept the important stuff going regardless.

      http://space.stackexchange.com...

      also

      http://www.dickgordon.com/Apol...

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    5. Re:Really? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's all well and good. Now explain how it would have prevented a thruster failure. Or a metric-english conversion error on the entry trajectory calculation. Or a failed parachute. Or a launch vehicle failure. Or virtually any of the common ways that unmanned probes have actually failed. You might be able to salvage ~20% of them with humans aboard. Might. Meanwhile, humans are a massive added source of additional risk to a mission; they dramatically increase spacecraft size, complexity / part count, consumables, and just in general make things far more difficult. And you can build and launch numerous unmanned missions for the cost of one manned mission.

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    6. Re:Really? by DarthVain · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know the only personal item I would take with me on the Mars journey would be an axe. You just can't trust everybody. I mean I know I wouldn't go insane. Someone else might go insane however. Then I'd have an axe. I'd name him Axey, and he'd be my best friend... Sometimes he tells me to... no I shouldn't talk about that, he doesn't like it.

    7. Re:Really? by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Informative

      40 seconds of fuel left, according to post-mission analysis.

      He flew the LEM for a longer period than any simulation. The 1201/1202 errors were caused by Armstrong leaving docking radar on during descent, thinking it would save time if they had to abort. Not tested in simulation, probably because it was a checklist item.

      Given the state of the art at the time, a human pilot was essential. Today we would expect an automated landing to succeed, given the massively improved capabilities.

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  2. Re:Signal Aquired by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's the orbiter.

    The lander is what is in question, and there's been no sign that it has been successfully acquired by the orbiter or anybody else.

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  3. Martians by bored_lurker · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the little green men on Mars heard that the the Europeans have a long storied history of bringing diseases to the New Worlds and they blew it our of the sky with their ray guns.

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  4. Second? by Comboman · · Score: 3, Informative

    On Wednesday, the European Space Agency sought to become the second entity to successfully land a spacecraft on Mars with its Schiaparelli lander.

    USA/NASA has had many successful landers and the Soviets had a lander survive for 14.5 seconds after touch down. That's not great, but considering the ESA lander lost contact after firing the retro rockets before touch down, I wouldn't celebrate just yet.

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  5. No need to worry! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    After a lengthy discussion with the ESA, I've been assured that the lander has definitely landed! On a side note, no word as to if it was a soft type landing or the usual hypersonic-impact-crater-forming type. ;)

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  6. Re:Usual suspect list by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're missing Space Nazis from the list. Space Nazis are the most likely answer.

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  7. Re:F*cking aliens by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't the aliens leave our spacecraft alone?

    Another bold victory for the Mars defense force! Despite recent setbacks, we were able to repel the invaders. Let this be a message to the Terran aggressors: you just got luck last time.

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  8. space agency cooperation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mars seems very difficult. NASA has had its failures there too, but on the balance, NASA seems to have a far better track record at doing complex things on Mars than anybody else out there.

    Which leads to the question: does NASA not share its magic recipes with the ESA? They have done shitloads of research into how to successfully land craft on other planets, and even run rovers. It's very hard from an engineering perspective. Do they not share the fruits of that research and labor with agencies like the ESA, so to improve everybody's odds?

    1. Re:space agency cooperation? by epine · · Score: 3

      Of course NASA passed on decades of hard-won experience. They're not psychopaths.

      It went something like this:

      Dear ESA:

      Hire only the best and the brightest, keep the group challenged and engaged for decade upon decade, with frequent launch opportunities pushing the boundary of the possible at each and every iteration.

      N.B.: Sorry, there's no silver bullet.

  9. Re:Money well spent! by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People have been dying ever since there have been people. If you're going to use people dying as an excuse to not do something, nothing will ever get done. AND people will still die.

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  10. Communications probably cut by Ecuador by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's just temporarily restricted.