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ESA Lander's Signal Cut Out Just Before It Was Supposed To Land on Mars (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader shares an ArsTechnica report: On Wednesday, the European Space Agency sought to become the second entity to successfully land a spacecraft on Mars with its Schiaparelli lander. And everything seemed to be going swimmingly right up until the point that Schiaparelli was to touch down. The European scientists had been tracking the descent of Schiaparelli through an array of radio telescopes near Pune, India and were able to record the moment when the vehicle exited a plasma blackout. The scientists also received a signal that indicated parachute deployment. But during the critical final moments, when nine hydrazine-powered thrusters were supposed to fire to arrest Schiaparelli's descent, the signal disappeared. At that point, the European Space Agency's webcast went silent for several minutes before one of the flight directors could be heard to say, "We expected the signal to continue, but clearly it did not. We don't want to jump to conclusions."

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  1. Really? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously? This is a joke... I mean, who thought sending a mission to Mars would be this hard?

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    1. Re:Really? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      should work with live people

    2. Re:Really? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Live people are much better with dealing with things when they go off script.

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    3. Re:Really? by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      With live people, those live people will be able to make live decisions, on the spot. There will be much more of a dynamic operation with live people, whereas currently, they're setting most things up to statically unfold.

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    4. Re:Really? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even in the 60's the moon landings were done by computer. Could a live pilot have executed no, not with the equipment they sent, the fuel use and tolerances for error were far to small.

      I believe on Apollo 11 a human had to take over on the landing.

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    5. Re:Really? by johannesg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even in the 60's the moon landings were done by computer. Could a live pilot have executed no, not with the equipment they sent, the fuel use and tolerances for error were far to small.

      Nice story. Now here's what really happened: http://www.space.com/26593-apo...

    6. Re:Really? by WhiplashII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, no. Niel Armstrong really did fly the lunar lander. He really did run it almost totally out of fuel, because he had to avoid a huge rock. If he hadn't done that, the vehicle would have gone splat.

      By the way, the computer was completely spazzing out during the landing and was not giving good data. Fortunately it was written in a way that kept the important stuff going regardless.

      http://space.stackexchange.com...

      also

      http://www.dickgordon.com/Apol...

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    7. Re:Really? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's all well and good. Now explain how it would have prevented a thruster failure. Or a metric-english conversion error on the entry trajectory calculation. Or a failed parachute. Or a launch vehicle failure. Or virtually any of the common ways that unmanned probes have actually failed. You might be able to salvage ~20% of them with humans aboard. Might. Meanwhile, humans are a massive added source of additional risk to a mission; they dramatically increase spacecraft size, complexity / part count, consumables, and just in general make things far more difficult. And you can build and launch numerous unmanned missions for the cost of one manned mission.

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    8. Re:Really? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you may want to ask Neil Armstrong what those 1201 and 1202 alarms were all about.

      And ask about those big rocks.

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    9. Re:Really? by DarthVain · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know the only personal item I would take with me on the Mars journey would be an axe. You just can't trust everybody. I mean I know I wouldn't go insane. Someone else might go insane however. Then I'd have an axe. I'd name him Axey, and he'd be my best friend... Sometimes he tells me to... no I shouldn't talk about that, he doesn't like it.

    10. Re:Really? by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Informative

      40 seconds of fuel left, according to post-mission analysis.

      He flew the LEM for a longer period than any simulation. The 1201/1202 errors were caused by Armstrong leaving docking radar on during descent, thinking it would save time if they had to abort. Not tested in simulation, probably because it was a checklist item.

      Given the state of the art at the time, a human pilot was essential. Today we would expect an automated landing to succeed, given the massively improved capabilities.

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    11. Re:Really? by A10Mechanic · · Score: 2

      Rendezvous radar, intentionally left on, was overloading the computer. The radar would have been needed for an abort, so the irony of the radar causing the dreaded abort was very real.

    12. Re: Really? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Piloting the lander wasn't human error, the program was leading them into rough terrain. They overshot the intended site, which Armstrong recognized early on. His switching on the docking radar was indeed an 'off - checklist' action.

      But he may have been taken off flight status due to his celebrity.

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  2. Re:Signal Aquired by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's the orbiter.

    The lander is what is in question, and there's been no sign that it has been successfully acquired by the orbiter or anybody else.

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  3. Re:Signal Aquired by spiny · · Score: 2

    darn, read it wrong in my excitement, still fingers crossed the lander is OK too

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  4. Martians by bored_lurker · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the little green men on Mars heard that the the Europeans have a long storied history of bringing diseases to the New Worlds and they blew it our of the sky with their ray guns.

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  5. Second? by Comboman · · Score: 3, Informative

    On Wednesday, the European Space Agency sought to become the second entity to successfully land a spacecraft on Mars with its Schiaparelli lander.

    USA/NASA has had many successful landers and the Soviets had a lander survive for 14.5 seconds after touch down. That's not great, but considering the ESA lander lost contact after firing the retro rockets before touch down, I wouldn't celebrate just yet.

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  6. No need to worry! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    After a lengthy discussion with the ESA, I've been assured that the lander has definitely landed! On a side note, no word as to if it was a soft type landing or the usual hypersonic-impact-crater-forming type. ;)

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  7. Re:Signal Aquired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Successful? Maybe it did, but we don't know that it did--unless you define "success" as to include crash landings. I don't think that's what they meant. It may have landed with no other damage than to the radio or antenna, but since they want to communicate with it after all trouble of building it and launching it, I still would not call it success. They'd better hurry--the only power source they have is a battery that is not projected to last more than 8 martian days.

    As we've seen, Mars is a hard destination.

  8. Re:Usual suspect list by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're missing Space Nazis from the list. Space Nazis are the most likely answer.

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  9. Re:F*cking aliens by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't the aliens leave our spacecraft alone?

    Another bold victory for the Mars defense force! Despite recent setbacks, we were able to repel the invaders. Let this be a message to the Terran aggressors: you just got luck last time.

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  10. Re:Proof positive by nintendoeats · · Score: 2

    NASA uses metric.

  11. Re:Proof positive by HBI · · Score: 2

    No they don't, at least not exclusively.

    How soon people forget...

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  12. space agency cooperation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mars seems very difficult. NASA has had its failures there too, but on the balance, NASA seems to have a far better track record at doing complex things on Mars than anybody else out there.

    Which leads to the question: does NASA not share its magic recipes with the ESA? They have done shitloads of research into how to successfully land craft on other planets, and even run rovers. It's very hard from an engineering perspective. Do they not share the fruits of that research and labor with agencies like the ESA, so to improve everybody's odds?

    1. Re:space agency cooperation? by I4ko · · Score: 2

      Did you misspell "occupation" there?

    2. Re:space agency cooperation? by epine · · Score: 3

      Of course NASA passed on decades of hard-won experience. They're not psychopaths.

      It went something like this:

      Dear ESA:

      Hire only the best and the brightest, keep the group challenged and engaged for decade upon decade, with frequent launch opportunities pushing the boundary of the possible at each and every iteration.

      N.B.: Sorry, there's no silver bullet.

    3. Re:space agency cooperation? by slew · · Score: 2

      Which leads to the question: does NASA not share its magic recipes with the ESA?

      You have to look back at the history of the ExoMars program to answer that.

      Originally, NASA was a partner and was going to supply a sky-crane decent module and Atlas rockets for payload launch to the program.

      Then 2012 budget cuts forced NASA to withdraw from the program. Undaunted, the ESA then brought on Russia as a partner to supply those critical elements of the program and of course the USA and Russia are on such good terms about exchanging technology...

      I hope that clarifies the situation...

    4. Re:space agency cooperation? by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Why does military R&D cost so much? Because they make damn sure it works before it gets sent to a war zone.

      Actually, what they really care about is if it works after it gets sent to a war zone. That can get really tricky, as there's all sorts of ways to get that wrong. A German WWII veteran told me that the MG34 (standard machine gun at the beginning of the war) was an excellent machine gun and a joy to fire provided it was kept scrupulously clean and away from dust and dirt and blood and things like that. He thought the MG42 (its replacement) was a much better weapon.

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  13. Re:Money well spent! by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People have been dying ever since there have been people. If you're going to use people dying as an excuse to not do something, nothing will ever get done. AND people will still die.

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  14. Re:Beagle 2 2.0? by suso · · Score: 2

    Sorry, I mean to land a lander. Obviously the orbiter should orbit. Maybe this was their mistake? ;-)

  15. Because flat by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    If things go wrong humans will most likely go splat before the have had time to read the error message on the control computers display.

    That's because it'll be in medium light grey text on a light medium grey background.

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  16. Mars Polar Lander by supertall · · Score: 2

    The Mars '98 Lander suffered a similar fate; in that case the rockets cut off too soon:

    Mars Polar Lander

  17. Communications probably cut by Ecuador by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's just temporarily restricted.

  18. Is that so strange? by Megol · · Score: 2

    I think it just want some alone time. I know I do after doing a long journey...

  19. Conversion problem by Chris453 · · Score: 2

    They had a problem converting inches to millimeters.

  20. Moon cows are not spherical [Re:Really?] by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    He really did run it almost totally out of fuel, because he had to avoid a huge rock.

    As I understand it, the unexpected fuel usage was a combination of avoiding the boulder field (more than one rock), AND the fact NASA miscalculated the shape of the moon. (Scientifically, that very boulder field later produced some of their best rock samples.)

    The size calculations were calibrated based on the gravity of the moon, but the moon is gravitationally lopsided compared to the location of its surface. If you spun the moon on a giant table-top like a child's top, it would appear to wobble slightly.

    If you notice, the Earth-facing surface of the moon looks different than the back-facing side. The materials near the surface also have a different density between back and front.

    This difference was not fully accounted for, and is at least partially why the fuel estimates were off.

    Lesson: if you go somewhere new: leave plenty of margin for contingency. You are likely using flawed or imperfect assumptions.

  21. Late-Breaking News from the Council: WTF G'RANEE? by Tackhead · · Score: 2

    >K'Breel was deposed and executed after his repeated failures in repelling the Terran aggressor. We don't speak of him. All hail mighty G'Ranee, Supreme Leader for Life!

    LATE-BREAKING NEWS FROM THE COUNCIL: VICTORY! The Council of Elders has confirmed the blueworlders' resumption of aggression upon our noble red sands. K'Breel, Speaker for the Council of Elders, addressed the planet thusly: OKAY. Okay, so I'm K'Breel (even though anyone on Slashdot can assume the mantle merely by declaring themselves Speaker for the Council), and I'm late, but I'm merely chronologically late, not as in the Late Second Adjunctant to the Council Formerly Known As G'Ranee.

    But domestic politics is beneath us tonight -- just take a glance at the blue world beneath us for a look at how bad that can get -- and let us focus on what's important: over the past sol or so, our Planetary Defense Force has been so good at pre-emptively distracting the blueworlders with tasks like landing comets, grabbing their prospective mates by their genitals, low-planetary orbit missions, and just general tribal infighting that we haven't had to shoot down any robotic invaders in quite some time. But when the opportunity presents itself, we take advantage of it, and so, we did. Hence the trivial elimination of yet another putative invader from elsewhere. We'd do it every day, except that the blueworlders lack the gelsacular fortitude to send us more targets. Now as to gelsacular fortitude, on to Second Adjunctant G'Ranee...

    When a junior reporter pointed out that the destroyed invader was merely a technology demonstrator built on the cheap to see if a landing was possible, and that the blueworlders' actual payload was safely in orbit, K'Breel had the reporter's gelsacs launched into orbit alongside those of G'Ranee for a closer look.