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AT&T's $85B US Bid For Time Warner Sparks Antitrust Fears in Washington (www.cbc.ca)

An anonymous reader writes: The two top members of the Senate's antitrust subcommittee said Sunday that they plan to probe a colossal deal between AT&T and Time Warner. In a statement, Mike Lee, R-Utah., and Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn. -- chairman and ranking Democrat, respectively, of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights -- said AT&T's acquisition of Time Warner "would potentially raise significant antitrust issues" that the panel would "carefully examine." AT&T Chairman and Chief Executive Randall Stephenson announced the $85 billion deal Saturday as "a great fit" that will combine the "world's best premium content with the networks to deliver it to every screen." Among those new properties are HBO, Turner Broadcasting System and Warner Bros., which would give them ownership of Cinemax, CNN and DC Comics, to name a few. Last year, AT&T completed the purchase of DirecTV, the country's largest satellite television provider. In an interview with NBC News, Klobuchar pointed to past mega-media acquisitions -- including the purchase of NBCUniversal by Comcast in 2011 and of Time Warner Cable by Charter Communications -- and said the "sheer volume" of the deal should give regulators pause.Presidential candidate Donald Trump has said that he would not approve of this deal if elected as the President. In the meanwhile, Bernie Sanders have also asked Obama administration to kill this agreement. The Vermont Senator said, "The deal would mean higher prices and fewer choices for the American people,"

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  1. we have always been at peace with the klingons by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AT&T's $85B US Bid For Time Warner Sparks Antitrust Fears in Washington

    An antitrust suit? In 2016? Where have these guys been?

    We don't do antitrust in America any more. If we encumbered our industrialist plutocrats by forcing them to follow laws and stuff, we'd get eaten alive by the Soviet Union, I mean Mexico, I mean Japan, I mean China, I mean the Martians.

    Congress needs to shut up and start doing its job, which is to completely fail to learn from history, and convince the electorate to do the same, by inciting them to focus on largely irrelevant cultural distinctions.

    1. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      Congress needs to shut up and start doing its job

      What job are they paid best to do, exactly?

    2. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by clone73 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Office Depot and Staples merger blocked by FTC. Halliburton and Baker Hughes merger blocked by DOJ. Pfizer takeover of Allergan scrapped due to IRS rule changes. Aetna and Humana merger blocked by DOJ. Anthem and Cigna merger blocked by DOJ. Sysco and US Foods merger blocker by DOJ. Comcast and Time Warner merger blocked by DOJ and FCC. We not only do anti-trust, we do it routinely.

    3. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress needs to shut up and start doing its job, which is to completely fail to learn from history, and convince the electorate to do the same, by inciting them to focus on largely irrelevant cultural distinctions.

      That's right! If you are against this merger, you are pro-liberal and pro-gay marriage! /sarcasm

      Agreed, Pseudonymous. That is what the powers that be would like you to think..

    4. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      As usual another ignorant anti-government rant. I'll bet you didn't know they didn't allow the TWC/Comcast merger to go through either. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

    5. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They let TWC/Charter through though. So what does it matter?

    6. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      It matters because the OP said "we don't do antitrust". But we do. So it matters if you are interested in the facts or not. But I guess you aren't.

    7. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      An antitrust suit based on what? Not like AT&T and Time-Warner are competitors.

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    8. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An antitrust suit based on what? Not like AT&T and Time-Warner are competitors.

      It was right there in the summary:

      AT&T Chairman and Chief Executive Randall Stephenson announced the $85 billion deal Saturday as "a great fit" that will combine the "world's best premium content with the networks to deliver it to every screen

      The company that owns the pipes shouldn't be the same company that owns the content.

      "You don't want AT&T and want to switch to Google Fiber? Well then I hope you don't mind giving up CNN, HBO and other content"

      The incumbent carriers already have too much power, they shouldn't get to wield content over subscribers heads too.

    9. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not 'routinely' enough.

      comcast and nbc universal
      at&t and directv
      sbc and at&t
      sbc and pacbell
      sbc and ameritech
      sbc and bellsouth
      charter and time warner cable
      time and warner
      aol and time warner
      bell atlantic and gte
      verizon and alltel
      verizon and mci
      google and doubleclick
      verizon and verizon (buying vodaphone shares)
      centurylink and quest
      sirius and xm
      abc and capitol cities
      disney and abc
      wells fargo and wachovia
      bank of america and merril lynch
      wachovia and world savings
      bank of america and mbna
      bank of america and fleetboston
      citi and travelers

    10. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you can't see that the two party system they have enshrined the US into lets them both do what ever they want to line their own pockets..

      If you have 85 billion to buy another company to "Stay competitive"... you not staying competitive your squashing competition.

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    11. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      by inciting them to focus on largely irrelevant cultural distinctions.

      Tell me about it...people are getting WAAAY too wrapped up on govt events, etc.

      I mean, freakin' Kim Kardashian got robbed at gunpoint a couple weeks ago, and that has already faded from the headlines, and I've not even seen a glint of a 2-hour long tv movie or E! entertainment channel special devoted to this historic, earthshaking event...

      C'mon people....get your values prioritized , won't ya???

      [/sarcasm]

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    12. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast and Time Warner merger blocked by DOJ and FCC.

      It was Time Warner Cable, not Time Warner. Separate fucking companies you fucking retard.

    13. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call that a vertical monopoly.

    14. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by originalGMC · · Score: 1

      Congress needs to shut up and start doing its job

      What job are they paid best to do, exactly?

      Argue about raising congressional salaries, or sending billions in cash to Iran, or not doing either of those things.

    15. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by emaname · · Score: 1

      Republican Senator Ron Johnson in WI thinks they're competitors. I suspect you'll be able to find other Senators from both parties who feel the same.

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    16. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      And we defeat it with sickrage.

    17. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by NotARealUser · · Score: 1

      Congress needs to shut up and start doing its job

      What job are they paid best to do, exactly?

      It depends on who you ask...

      The federal government signs their paychecks and the voters ask for congress's protection and wisdom in making laws.

      But... most in congress don't just get paychecks. There is a second group that pays checks to congress as well (aka lobbyists and those in need of special favors). In reality, these entities also have a "job" congress is paid to do.

      So the question is largely a matter of perspective. Most in congress stand to gain far more by the checks coming from the second group. Especially when they get further up in the ranks after spending a lifetime serving the "people", err I mean the check writers.

    18. Re:we have always been at peace with the klingons by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      This was what my attempt at snark was getting to. Whatever we pay them can't compete with what they're getting via other means, with strings attached.

  2. Really... by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this point we should be smashing media and internet companies apart not letting them get bigger.

    1. Re:Really... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ask yourself - who benefits from media consolidation? And the answer is, among others, the established political insiders. So you can expect that this will be a very popular merger among the political class.

    2. Re:Really... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      If that were true then they would have allowed the Comcast/TWC merger to go through. I doubt they will allow this one to go through either.

    3. Re:Really... by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's not to like?

      AT&T buys out Time Warner, they then save millions (billions?) in licensing and broadcast fees. They can also potentially cut out a lot of middle management, saving a few more million. They can then proceed to jack up the fees that other cable providers pay, because lets face it, they can and the other providers will pay up. Then once their operating costs are lower and income is higher, the savings get passed on to C-men (and women) in the form of bonuses and such for a "job well done".

      The customer? Meh, we're the only game in town so they'll pay whatever price we tell them to.

    4. Re:Really... by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      The Comcast/TWC merger would have created a supercompany with something like 60% or more of the US ISP marketshare. AT&T buying Time Warner (the media company) is akin to Comcast and NBC/Universal, which did happen. AT&T is just following a previously approved, comcastic plan to pad the CEO's wallets and gauge the customers (read: peasants) wallets.

    5. Re:Really... by Lucas123 · · Score: 1

      Just curious. When you smash a media and internet company apart, is it possible to calculate how much energy is released?

    6. Re:Really... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Not just ISP. Cable too. And they would have owned most major markets. So don't be so cynical. There is plenty of precedent for not allowing harmful mergers.

    7. Re:Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I'd agree with you, but ever since Charter bought TWC. Comcast with NBC Universal stands as the only current vertically integrated content and distribution company. Allowing AT&T to challenge that position, while certainly not an optimal outcome, seems like the path of least resistance compared to attempting to force Comcast to divest.

    8. Re:Really... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Whoa, whoa, there, turbo ...

      Just like 90% of silicon valley, TimeWarner gave $812,406 to Hillary, so they are exempt.

      https://www.opensecrets.org/po...

      You wouldn't want to interfere with the pro-government, anti-company party would you ?

    9. Re:Really... by Ensign_Expendable · · Score: 1

      No, no! The whole purpose of this merger is to provide more choices at a lower price to consumers! (*cough*)

    10. Re:Really... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ask yourself - who benefits from media consolidation? And the answer is, among others, the established political insiders. So you can expect that this will be a very popular merger among the political class.

      Very, very true.

      Remember how every TV and radio station, pre-"consolidation era" (i.e. Telecommunications Act of 1996) had some amount of news and/or public service on their airwaves? Remember how, even when the public service stuff was often relegated to 5am Sunday Morning, the news content was mostly pretty decent... Even on stations where the person just read AP news wire copy, there was still decent news programming.

      NOW, if you don't seek out news programming on the radio, you mostly won't find it outside of talk stations, news/talk stations, and all-news stations. Besides that, and NPR? Nope. Music station listeners who haven't sought out radio news in the last 15 years probably think the last event of mass importance was 9/11, because that was the last time "music" stations had any significant amount of news programming on them--even earlier in the smaller markets.

      It's a damn shame, but also the exact desired outcome--because it isn't "efficient" for owners of hundreds of news stations to pay to have "news departments" and "news programming" on every station, they just don't do it anymore and pocket the funds that would have been spent on it. As a bonus to the political class, the information-level available to your average citizen just dropped another few ticks, and people who used to be occasionally exposed to news programming supplemented with wingnut news online, now only hear the wingnut view and get no "mainstream" (i.e. not-made-up from whole cloth) news.

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    11. Re: Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now there are less than 300 people at the top level in charge of all the media in the US. These individuals have the scary power to influence rhetoric, and after this merger, their small circle would become even more tightly knit.

      Fifty years ago before all these companies started merging and buying each other out, there were several thousand people in the top media positions. The larger the number, the more efficiently it serves as a system of checks and balances.

    12. Re:Really... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It's common in these for AT&T to agree to sell the cable franchise anywhere where they are already the local phone company. Such "restrictions" are common in these types of mergers, and don't reduce the customers available choices, but increase the area wher AT&T is one of the two choices. THe idea of a "natural monopoly" requiring government rules to establish and protect monopolies is the problem. A "natural monopoly" had a meaning in the start of phone service, where the 3 overlapping phone companies refused to intertie, to the point you couldn't call someone on the other network. Requiring FRAND intertie removes any need for monopolistic protections. Internet POPs are FRAND (in practice, if not in legislation). And that's fine. IF all local providers tie together at a central point with FRAND terms, there's no need to continue to defend monopolies. Perhaps adjust the USF fees to discourage cherry-picking of urban areas and better fund rural areas, but no need for a government-enforced monopoly.

    13. Re:Really... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      TW also gave to Republicans and Trump. Most organizations double-donate, to hedge their bets. The donations are less an indication of who they want to see, and more an indication of who they think will win, as the more they give, the more influence they expect. It's simple bribery. Except without a result pre-planned. So like a bribery retainer. And perfectly legal. If you don't like it, get the Republican Congress to end it. Oh, wait. They are explicitly for the bribery, and when the Democratic Party tried to end it, the Republicans blocked that. Couldn't end the bribery, and actively working to promote and extend it. Though, maybe the Democratic Party proposed it as a publicity stunt, knowing the Republicans would block anything proposed, and the Dems wouldn't have supported their own thing, if it went to a final vote, but we'll never know, because the Republicans voted to extend bribery.

    14. Re:Really... by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

      Umm... Albertsons just bought Safeway not too long ago. We saw how well that went.

    15. Re:Really... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      There is some truth there.

      Honestly, I don't think any kind of contributions (even open bribery) should be restricted by the FEC. It should be up to voters.

      There's a lot of examples of politicians accepting a lot of money and going down in spectacular defeat.

      Also money can be an indicator that a politician is more of an ally of the market than the bureaus.

    16. Re:Really... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a good idea. Like the $1 you can donate on your taxes, political donations are allowed, only to the general fund, and you can give it in the name of someone, but not earmarked. Then, the funds would be distributed in a set manner. I would set the distribution such that a 3rd party candidate could make a profit running an unwinnable campaign, and the major parties would see a cut in funding, but since it would be the major parties voting on it, I don't think that would ever fly.

    17. Re:Really... by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Deal !

  3. The subtext by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where's our bribe money?

    1. Re:The subtext by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This ^

      Seriously, this is what its all about, the biggest lobbying pockets in DC are making a major and very public move and these guys want their cut.

  4. If being the biggest company wasn't right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then the free market would never allow it. Therefore, it is our fault for not making the market free.

    In conclusion, steal cable.

    1. Re:If being the biggest company wasn't right by dugancent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In conclusion, steal cable.

      No. The solution is stop consuming the entertainment they put out. Don't listen to it, don't buy it, don't rent it, don't download it, don't steal it. Ignore it.

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    2. Re:If being the biggest company wasn't right by silas_moeckel · · Score: 0

      A free market does not have the FCC or last mile monopolies.

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    3. Re:If being the biggest company wasn't right by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you don't have children, or you're raising them in an abandoned mine-shaft or a "Village" out of an M. Night Shyamalan movie. It won't last. Some day soon, your kids will come across an old bottle-cap with "Fanta" written on it and turn on you like "Children of the Corn". Hell hath no fury like a child craving that stuff all the other kids know about.

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    4. Re:If being the biggest company wasn't right by WheezyJoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correction: a free market without the FCC is nothing BUT monopoly.
      'cause if the FCC ain't there to police things, the big companies are going to cheat.
      Buy all the shit up, shut out competition.
      Why? 'cause if one don't cheat, another one will, so that in the end, there can be only one.

      Fair competition? Feh. Playing fair, if you don't HAVE to play fair, is for suckers.

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    5. Re:If being the biggest company wasn't right by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      FCC as directly related to frequency allocations.

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  5. Correction: $85.5B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgot the DNC's cut.

  6. Politics make strange bedfellows by Lucas123 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders oppose this merger. Sanders is calling on Obama to kill it. Trump has threatened to kill it if he's elected.

    1. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Where are mod points when I need them. Mod up ^^^ informative!

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    2. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know who does support it, though? Hillary Clinton.

      Her VP candidate might not support it, but you'll notice that she's yet to come out with a position on it. The closest is an official "wait and see" statement where she doesn't take any side.

      Which is code for "supports the merger but doesn't want to take a political stand on it before the elections."

      There are rumors that a lot of the positive coverage she's gotten and things like the media suppressing WikiLeaks coverage is quid pro quo (something Hillary's good at) for supporting the merger. I'm not entirely sure I believe that, since it suggests that the media wouldn't support her even if she didn't go along with the merger, but given what has come out of WikiLeaks, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

    3. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      You are contradicting yourself. You claim she supports it, yet claim she has a "study the impact first" stance (paraphrased).

      Can't be both.

      Studying the impact first is a fair and even-handed way to approach it. I agree telecom needs more competition, not less; but it's reasonable to give the co's involved a chance to make their case.

      There are rumors that...

      There's no shortage of political rumors on the "WebTubes". The problem is that roughly 95% of them turn out to be bunk or spin.

    4. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

      With the Clintons, "wait and see" equates to "our focus polling hasn't come back yet, so we don't have a stance."

      Just once, I would like to see this "leader" actually lead the way on something.

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    5. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by dlenmn · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that trump opposes it because he wants revenge on "the media" (due to supposed bias against him) -- not because trump has any deep-seated belief or philosophy that this type of merger is bad. I'm sure that isn't true for Sanders.

    6. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      our focus polling hasn't come back yet, so we don't have a stance

      Assuming that's true, that's democracy in action.

      Just once, I would like to see this "leader" actually lead the way on something.

      Like W into Ireq? Sorry, I'll take focus polling over that pet disaster.

    7. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So a politician who cares about their constituents is a bad politician? That seems an odd position.

    8. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this seems to be the excuse that supporters of a certain candidate they like.

      A leader isn't one who exclusively follows polls. A leader is one who sees what is right, and gets the polls to follow them.

      Example: Where was Hillary on gay marriage? Following the pack until the polls shifted, then she ran out front and claimed she was always there, when in reality she was one of the last Democrats to get on board. Even Obama beat her to that one, and he was outed by Biden.

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    9. Re:Politics make strange bedfellows by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I find your line of reasoning very round-about. In general, the Clintons are pretty much centrists, I would note, not really progressives.

  7. Bribes by nwaack · · Score: 1

    "Would potentially raise significant antitrust issues" - no kidding, eh? It won't matter though, a few bribes later they'll let the deal go through.

    1. Re:Bribes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swore I'd never do business with AT&T again after they screwed me over several times back in the days of landlines. Fastforward 15 years and between DirecTV and this thing I'm going to wind up writing those fuckers checks again. Something's not right.

    2. Re:Bribes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, not buying a subscription never crossed your mind...

  8. Well, duh by c · · Score: 1

    A good rule of thumb is that if a large telco thinks a major business decision is good idea, it's probably bad for consumers.

    There's obvious exceptions to this rule... building out and maintaining telco infrastructure is usually a good idea, but even there you have to scrutinize the fine print or you'll find your copper landlines left degrading while they roll out fibre and wireless.

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  9. Helloooo? Comcast?? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Where were these fears when Comcast and NBC Universal got together?

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  10. another idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution is stop consuming the entertainment they put out.

    Ignore it.

    this strategy fails when others fail to follow it

  11. Re:Fuck the Government by blackomegax · · Score: 2

    aw, basement dweller power fantasy thinks he can survive in an anarchy.

  12. Randomly selected policy positions by sjbe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders oppose this merger.

    The fact that he might have a position that agrees with Bernie Sanders on some random issue is actually rather high since Trumps opinions are selected apparently at random. Anything that comes out of his mouth may as well have been chosen by throwing darts at a list of policy options. And he has a high probability of denying his positing ever having been his position the following day even if he was recorded saying it. But some amount of them will agree with Sanders just by pure chance.

    1. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by Lucas123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know. Trump never solidly supported the Iraq War. On Howard Stern's show, he was asked and simply said, "I guess so." He then made it clear he didn't support it in 2002. The fact that: a) he wasn't a politician at the time, means his off-the-cuff luke warm support meant nothing; 2) that the media and Democrats are accusing him of lying about his support is nothing more than a political ploy. Hillary Clinton voted for the war; that's a bit more serious.

    2. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think there's more than chance at work.

      I think Trump's populism and Sanders' populism differ by the solutions they advocate, not by the problems they diagnose.

      In many ways, Trump seems to have the kind of everyman "common sense" mindset shared by ordinary people who don't really know and/or care about high-level ideological alignment and coherence. I think this is what frustrates a lot of people when it comes to politics and why so many Americans identify as "independent" -- in their minds, solutions should be practical and effective first. They're not bothered by the fact that $solution_1 and $solution_2 are ideologically inconsistent.

      More than many Democrats, Sanders seemed to be more pragmatic focused, or at least he seemed that way by focusing closely on more everyday economic concerns.

      The more "political" a politician or voter is, the more they seem to demand ideological consistency, purity and cohesion.

    3. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I don't agree with your terminology. I thought ideological consistency was the opposite of being "political." Wouldn't being "political" lean more toward following a party, rather than an ideology?

    4. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many ways, Trump seems to have the kind of everyman "common sense" mindset shared by ordinary people who don't really know and/or care about high-level ideological alignment and coherence. I think this is what frustrates a lot of people when it comes to politics and why so many Americans identify as "independent" -- in their minds, solutions should be practical and effective first. They're not bothered by the fact that $solution_1 and $solution_2 are ideologically inconsistent.

      The problem with the "everyman" pragmatic approach is that it doesn't actually work. For example, "I want my cake," and "I want to eat my cake." Somebody can want both, but it's just not possible.

      For a less facetious example, "I want law enforcement to be able to break encryption of Bad Guys so they can be caught", and "I want to be able to keep my own personal communications private."

      For a more mundane example, "I want to feed the starving homeless, provide healthcare to the poor, pay for the military to keep us safe, etc," and "I want lower taxes."

      Lots of things which make sense from a common sense perspective aren't actually true. For example, the Earth goes around the Sun, and governments budgets shouldn't be balanced the same way that household budgets are.

      Sometimes there are easy answers out there. More often, it's the societal equivalent of your parent coming up to you and saying, "I don't care about architectures, peripherals, hardware, software, or any of that techno-mumbo-jumbo... just make Candy Crush work on my Super Nintendo. They are both computers, why are you making it so hard?"

    5. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by swb · · Score: 1

      A political party is typically an organization whose members share a common political view, or ideology.

      I think you're looking at "being political" as meaning some kind of malleability or flexibility on issues, like a politician who reads polls and takes the more popular stand on the issue vs. the one that aligns with their party.

    6. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      A political party is typically an organization whose members share a common political view, or ideology.

      Perhaps I am just jaded as an American, but in the US political parties aren't like that. They change their stance according to whoever is the leader of the party. There are some consistencies: In the US, the Republicans are against gun control and abortion. But then major issues like privacy rights and war switch every decade or so.

      Perhaps, the word itself has become political. :-P

    7. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by swb · · Score: 1

      The list of positions a party takes can be seen as its ideology; it doesn't necessarily have to mirror a specific defined ideology (socialism, etc). Party ideology is inherently flexible in a democratic polity but generally remains stable over the medium time even if some elements of party ideals change or shift.

      Democrats, for example, have generally supported social welfare, minority rights, gun control, abortion as a right, even if some of these views have shifted (ie, Bill Clinton's support for ending "welfare as we know it").

    8. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I don't think the major US parties follow any ideology at all. It's not that the views shift over time, it is that they are inconsistent at any given instant.

      For example, Democrats support social welfare for minorities and the disabled; Republicans support social welfare for the elderly and veterans. To be more specific: Republicans supported the Medicare prescription drug program, while Democrats supported the ACA. This is because the elderly vote Republican, while minorities vote Democrat. This is ideologically inconsistent because Republicans claim that they are against welfare, while the Democrats will say they are in favor of it. But both parties are actually supporting welfare, just aimed only at their particular constituent groups.

      Another example: Republicans generally support a strict interpretation of the second amendment, but a loose interpretation of the first. Democrats take the opposite view. There is no consistent ideology here. The reality is that Republicans are more likely to own guns, and Democrats are more likely to be employed in mass-media.

      Another one: Republicans claim Obama could not be president because if he was born in Kenya, but Republicans claim that Ted Cruz can be even though he was born in Canada, and Republicans also claimed that George Romney could even though he was born in Mexico. The underlying philosophy is the definition of the term "natural born citizen" for which the party members hold no consistent ideology.

      It is for this reason, that I don't see political parties as aligning to an ideology at all. The align to whatever group will vote for them. Most voters have no concept of a philosophy or ideology on these matters. They merely vote for the party that is most likely to help them out.

    9. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by kimvette · · Score: 1

      > The fact that: a) he wasn't a politician at the time, means his off-the-cuff luke warm support meant nothing;

      False.
      I distinctly remember his attempting to run previously. Let me google that for you.
      Ah yes. here we go:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    10. Re:Randomly selected policy positions by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I am just jaded as an American, but in the US political parties aren't like that. They change their stance according to whoever is the leader of the party.

      Political parties in the US tend to band together under a common political view, but they aren't uniform. On the Republican side, you'll have the Neo-Conservatives who are the party of intervention, of projecting American strength abroad and of proactively dealing with threats to the country and its allies. On the other hand, you'll have the Tea Partiers, who are the more Libertarian wing of the party and may have strong disagreements with the USA sending troops and money to other countries. Like Rand Paul, they might even be isolationist in comparison. You'll have the evangelicals who can belong to either camp, though they'll sometimes get a cold welcome from the tea partiers, many of whom won't share in the Dominionist sentiments. The Tea Partiers will be more for privacy rights (against the government), while neo-cons will be more likely to engage in domestic spying.

      Yet they almost all agree that most local decisions should be left to local and state agencies rather than the federal government. They almost all will agree that federal taxes are too high, and they'll think that federal spending on social programs should be cut and either moved to the states, be shifted to charity, or eliminated entirely. They'll all tend to be against gun control and abortion, and for strong border security.

      Similar factions exist in the Democratic Party, where you'll have the more business-friendly moderates, the more socialism-favoring left, and varying levels of anti-war or interventionism. What seems consistent across the two parties is that with some exceptions, most people can overlook a candidate's position on a single issue if they agree with much of the rest of his platform. A Democrat who is anti-war could still vote for Obama despite his mixed record on that front, an Occupy Wall-Streeter could vote for Hillary even if she's a bit too cozy with business for their tastes. For me, the most frustrating part of trying to find a third-party candidate that I like is that so many of them are single-issue candidates, while the President and Congress have to be adept at a very wide spectrum of issues and policies.

  13. vertical integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is interesting. There are 6? big media companies, and they each have a share of a TV network, some cable channels, many own movie studios. WB owns DC, Disney owns Marvel, etc.. There are many different universes, and scripts, sitting around for years, until a network needs to fill a spot in their schedule, and something is a current fad. As for a telecom company owning a media company, I guess there is ease in content price negotiations, but I guess that is it.

  14. Only because of the Organians by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We do antitrust routinely, we just don't do a lot of it. We do much more deal-blocking than we do company-busting, which hasn't really been done much in a long time. With populist sentiments rising on both sides of the aisle, the environment might almost reward politicians who favor a return to more robust antitrust activity.

    Now, Congress is talking about it because of the election. It is the downside of announcing a major merger two weeks before an election. On the other hand, AT&T donates a lot...

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    1. Re:Only because of the Organians by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Which companies do you propose we bust?

      The last company people around here proposed be "busted" was Microsoft for it's bundling of IE... something which as we now know looking back has turned out to be mostly irrelevant.

      A lot of people around here seem to want to "bust up" Google, but fail to provide any evidence of them actually using their position in any given market to influence their position in another unjustly. In fact, quite the opposite since they seem to go out of their way to list direct competitors prominently in their search results... Antitrust law does not allow the government to "bust up" a company just because they turn out to be wildly successful.

    2. Re:Only because of the Organians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which companies do you propose we bust?

      Any bank that is "too big to fail".

      OK, not exactly anti-trust but you asked.

    3. Re:Only because of the Organians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony is the last time the DoJ broke up a company (versus stopped a merger) was in 1982 and it was AT&T.

    4. Re:Only because of the Organians by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Which companies do you propose we bust?

      I'd like to see more collusion-busting. IE, when entire industries band together under a trade group that makes all the companies act in concert. Seen most often in the entertainment industry like the RIAA/MPAA, but it's seen elsewhere as well. I'm not sure HOW you would break up collusion, but that's the direction I'd like to see things go.

  15. owning both pipes and content is bad by FalseModesty · · Score: 1

    We learned from Standard Oil that it's a bad idea to let one company own both the pipes and the stuff the flows through them.

    1. Re:owning both pipes and content is bad by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Disney owns Buena Vista, and nobody cares about that. Disney/Marvel seemed to ruffle more feathers, especially here. And both of those are creators, not creator and distributor.

  16. obvious anti-trust violation by FalseModesty · · Score: 1

    Under no circumstances should a merger be allowed that creates the biggest company in any industry. Patently anti-competitive.

  17. Fickle as the wind by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump never solidly supported the Iraq War.

    Trump never solidly supports any position. He changes his mind more often than a teenage girl changes moods. I don't actually mind someone changing their mind about a topic when they learn new information or even if they give a matter serious consideration. Trump never gives anything serious consideration. His policy positions are the very definition of fickle and certainly aren't based out of any ideology or even pragmatism but instead out of whatever whim strikes him at the time. He basically plays to whatever crowd he is facing and lies almost all the time.

    Hillary Clinton voted for the war; that's a bit more serious.

    So did most of congress at the time and they did so largely based on bad data from our intelligence agencies and the Bush administration. A mistake I think but not one that makes me think Trump would be a better choice as commander in chief.

    1. Re:Fickle as the wind by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      What I always find somewhat funny about that is that Bush was suppose to be the dumbest fucking person on the planet yet all these people in congress were fooled multiple times by him which should be fairly telling about the quality of the people in the house and senate.

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    2. Re:Fickle as the wind by jbengt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hillary Clinton voted for the war; that's a bit more serious.

      So did most of congress at the time and they did so largely based on bad data from our intelligence agencies and the Bush administration.

      BS. Most of the politicians voted for it because the war was very popular with their constituents at the time.
      Most wars do tend to be more popular before they start than after they drag on for 10 years.

    3. Re:Fickle as the wind by sjbe · · Score: 1

      BS. Most of the politicians voted for it because the war was very popular with their constituents at the time.

      The war was NEVER popular with many/most constituents. What the politicians were worried about was being vulnerable to the (bogus) argument that voting against the war meant they were "soft on terrorism and getting voted out of office as a result. While there was a portion of the population that was very hawkish just like with any conflict, most people were not at any time in favor of starting a war with Iraq. There was no evidence that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks and the case against Iraq was obviously shown to be a fabrication. No, congress voted to support the military action (there never was a declaration of war) out of political expediency and based on what turned out to be false information.

    4. Re:Fickle as the wind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... basically plays to whatever crowd he is facing ...

      Clinton fucked her way into the ruling elite and, to paraphrase a Slashdot-ter, thinks everything the ruling elite does, is great. She doesn't want the world to change, which is why her draft policies conflict so much with her own supporters. It's great that she keeps changing her mind but it proves that she doesn't have a firm grasp on the reality of being one of the little people. She plays to the crowd, just like Trump.

    5. Re:Fickle as the wind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice revisionist history you have there, libshill.

    6. Re:Fickle as the wind by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Not by Bush, but by the CIA. When the CIA asserts that Saddam Hussein is buying Yellow Cake, do you really want Congress ignoring that when passing laws?

      And funny how conservatives insist we worship the presidency when a Republican is in office, and the opposite when the office is held by a Democrat.

  18. I'ts all about customer service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are probably familiar with The Oatmeal's take on customer service. Absolutely brilliant. This merger is going to take customer service to new depths, the likes of which we have never seen.

    "Thank you for scheduling a service appointment with AT&TW. Your service window is scheduled for 2018. Our service agent will call you 30 seconds before arrival. If you are not present, you're screwed."

    1. Re:I'ts all about customer service by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      The new acronym should be TWAT&T.

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  19. Re:Helloooo? Comcast?? by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    Where were these fears when Comcast and NBC Universal got together?

    Chalk it up as hindsight. Enough people thought Comcast/NBC wouldn't be so bad, Comcast arguing that the magical Internet itself created the competition, and the old men bought it. Now, we should know better. We can actually see that prices didn't go down, that service didn't improve, that Comcast leverages its content ownership like... duhhhh.... of course they would.
    The question is whether it's too late, get-used-to-it, mega Comcast companies are the reality now, or whether denying TimeWarner would make Comcast technically too large to exist.

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  20. Re:Fuck the Government by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    Okay, Armchair Anarchist.

  21. Goodbye Discounted Internet Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only two providers where I live are AT&T and Time Warner. They're both very expensive for the speeds we get (when compared with other people on my IRC channel just a state over). And this is in a city of half a million, not the rural area where I was raised that still only has DSL. The only way to get a discount was to call and threaten to get your service from the other company. Now.... well, guess they'll be free to jack up the price without any repercussions.

    1. Re:Goodbye Discounted Internet Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stand corrected - AT&T is only buying Time Warner Inc., not Time Warner Cable (which is owned by Charter).

    2. Re:Goodbye Discounted Internet Access by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      In most acquisitions of this type, if approved, AT&T would have to sell in areas where they'd be the only choice. So you'd remain with two choices. Likely AT&T and Comcast (as the phone company would tend to keep the phone system, and that'd mean they'd have to sell the cable, and Comcast is the biggest in that area now, and would likely profit from the merger in the short term).

  22. Anyone see that Apple bid for them too, initially? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    All things considered, I would have rather seen Apple buy Time-Warner than AT&T -- though I'm sure that would have raised the same alarms about anti-trust.

    From Apple's point of view, they sell the AppleTV, a nice little set-top box that's never achieved more than what they keep calling "hobby" status. Primarily, that's because Apple has always hoped to partner with a large selection of partners so users would be able to cut the cord on cable and have a similar amount of content with just the AppleTV. (Essentially, doing for TV and movies what iTunes did for music.)

    Unfortunately for Apple, most of the big players are refusing to negotiate with them, or at least not on Apple's terms. Many are afraid that doing so would lock them into being unable to ask more money for programming down the road (similar to the record labels who really wanted to ask more than 99 cents per album track, but found iTunes pretty much nailed that down as "the price" they had to accept).

    So now, while Apple keeps trying to tip-toe around the issue by pretending their big challenge is just building a better UI for TV watching .... they're *actually* facing the facts that they probably need to start offering a lot of good original programming as the reason to buy AppleTV. (Netflix and others are learning the same thing.) Buying Time-Warner outright would give Apple a big boost in getting to where they want to be, though.

    With AT&T, by contrast? I'm not seeing how the acquisition would do much of anything to benefit me as the end-user? Possibly it will improve TV content for U-Verse customers, but that service isn't even sold out here in the Northeast. Otherwise, I guess since they own DirecTV now, they think it will give them some more options to sell on satellite? But again ... that's kind of a snoozer, in a world trying to cut cords and rid of programming packages with limited or no reasonable "a la carte" options.

  23. The government hates at&t as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government broke up at&t in the 90's and now they are ready to strike again even though ma bell is far less relevant today than 20+ years ago.

  24. totally going to happen - totally going to suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AT&T sucks. You can't get actual service by humans in their actual stores. Only via phone (press one here). Can't buy new phones - I tried, or turn off lines there. They suck so bad.

    Time Warner sucks. They have the "auto-advance" in prices that screws auto-pay. They jack prices for no value without warning. Their actual value per dollar is crap. They suck.

    Of course they are going to merge. Neither wall street nor washington is capable of doing something that doesn't suck.

    They are going to make the massively worthless organization a bigger way to screw over normal people. This isn't about value - it never has been about value. This is about how much can people be screwed before they start whining - or voting for someone else.

    Of course it is going to happen. There is no value coming from these two companies. There hasn't been actual value creation by these service providers for decades. Only mergers and paper. Of course wall street and washington are only comprised of those two. No life there. No humanity there. No blood - only ink.

    Who are you kidding. Of course it is going to happen.

  25. Re:Fuck the Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are the best kind.

  26. Figurehead by sjbe · · Score: 1

    What I always find somewhat funny about that is that Bush was suppose to be the dumbest fucking person on the planet yet all these people in congress were fooled multiple times by him which should be fairly telling about the quality of the people in the house and senate.

    It wasn't Bush doing the fooling. He was effectively little more than a figurehead who could get elected. The real movers and shakers were people like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest. They were the tail that wagged the dog. Bush wasn't a strong enough leader to dominate the room when they were in it. Furthermore when the CIA, NSA and the rest of our "intelligence" agencies were feeding bad information it becomes hard to make a properly informed decision even at the best of times.

    That said, a lot of congress isn't terribly bright or capable. Certainly not our best and brightest except maybe for purposes of looking out for their own interests.

    1. Re:Figurehead by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Bush ran and got elected primarily on his education platform. Ironically he was sitting in a classroom as part of delivering exactly what he promised when the planes hit the towers. That changed everything.

  27. Re:Fuck the Government by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    That sounds like the militia, who want a farm they can retreat to so they don't get triggered. The liberals and conservatives have both gone so far in their respective directions, you can't tell them apart.

  28. Don't believe it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights" seems like an on-demand government department, created for the sole purpose of absorbing, misdirecting, and rendering inert through attrition any attempt to prevent the merger. Once the merger completes, the "Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights" will be dissolved.

  29. There's that sound again! *cha ching* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lobby dollars to the rescue! Swat those nasty antitrust fears away by lining a few pocket with some of that sweet sweet political bribe money.

    1. Re:There's that sound again! *cha ching* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has promised lobbying reform.

  30. Re:Fuck the Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are simply on point with your retort.

    Keep up the good work, Sir. I can't wait to hear more of this insightfulness from you!

  31. about time. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Washington needs to either block this,
    OR Better yet,
    Require that the new merged company allow anybody to compete in their arena while also requiring that they sell off CNN and any other news group (separately).

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  32. This is about advertisements by originalGMC · · Score: 1

    Companies are trending towards data about you to find out how much you will pay for an item you are or will be searching for. These two companies specifically. They are attempting to combine forces to learn more about you and to help companies who sell you things set the price for as much as you will pay at the time you will be paying for it. This will in turn allow them to predict stock price rising and falling quasi-accurately and will attribute to the downfall of "capitalism as we know it" and the rise of "algo-capitalism" where computers (soon, AI) will make money for people who can afford it, and not for people who can't. This is a massive combination of workforces who produce a massive amount of content consumed by people on the internet, in games and on television. The data generated by those consumers is what is being collected and distributed. You all "know" this, ye who reads the comments. What's it going to take for a person like you to stand up and do something about it? This to me isn't an antitrust issue. It is a play on the economy, nay, the system of the world. Just my prediction(s). I'm hoping I'm wrong. Maybe I read too much /.

  33. Re:Fuck the Government by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    And you think you can live in a world without someone from the government telling you how to live and what to think, creating nice little safe spaces for when you get triggered.

    Oh yeah. Our world is soooooooooooooooooo horrible.

    How have we survived for 240 years with a government of some type? Oh it's terrible, TERRIBLE.