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Alibaba Founder To Chinese Government: Use Big Data To Stop Criminals (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Chinese billionaire Jack Ma proposed that the nation's top security bureau use big data to prevent crime, endorsing the country's nascent effort to build unparalleled online surveillance of its billion-plus people. China's data capabilities are virtually unrivaled among its global peers, and policing cannot happen without the ability to analyze information on its citizens, the co-founder of Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. said in a speech published Saturday by the agency that polices crime and runs the courts. Ma's stance resonates with that of China's ruling body, which is establishing a system to collect and parse information on citizens in a country where minimal safeguards exist for privacy. "Bad guys in a movie are identifiable at first glance, but how can the ones in real life be found?" Ma said in his speech, which was posted on the official WeChat account of the Commission for Political and Legal Affairs. "In the age of big data, we need to remember that our legal and security system with millions of members will also face change." In his speech, Ma stuck mainly to the issue of crime prevention. In Alibaba's hometown of Hangzhou alone, the number of surveillance cameras may already surpass that of New York's, Ma said. Humans can't handle the sheer amount of data amassed, which is where artificial intelligence comes in, he added. "The future legal and security system cannot be separated from the internet and big data," Ma said. Ma's speech also highlights the delicate relationship between Chinese web companies and the government. The ruling party has designated internet industry leaders as key targets for outreach, with President Xi Jinping saying in May last year that technology leaders should "demonstrate positive energy in purifying cyberspace."
Or just catching up to the illegal surveillance us in the west are under.
"demonstrate positive energy in purifying cyberspace."
Speaking as one who has been on the net since the early 80's, before China was, and most likely before Jack Ma had ever heard of it, this is how I think you purify cyberspace.
You bring freedom back. You stop turning it into an Orwellian mechanism for social control and surveillance. This message could stand to by heard by China, by the US, by Asia, by Europe, by the Middle East, and everywhere really. It COULD have been an unprecedented tool to enable human freedom. Instead, it has been co-opted by authoritarians everywhere and is moving more and more away from that, towards a means of "soft oppression". Sometimes hard oppression too, but mostly soft oppression. And techies everywhere are sitting on our asses and watching it happen.
Either people all across the world rise up and take back the internet, or I'm not sure the cat is ever getting back into the bag again. Too many now no longer remember the internet as it was before the authoritarians got to it.
The window is closing. The good guys do not appear to be winning.
Crap!
that of New York
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New York's
"Bad guys in a movie are identifiable at first glance, but how can the ones in real life be found?"
Overwhelming amounts of evidence against them, and they'll lie in the face of it, despite incontrovertible proof.
The mainland Chinese speak and write in double entendres, similar to how dissidents communicated in the Soviet Union.
I'd be careful about judging Mr. Ma's statements on their face. He has no choice but to officially tow the party line, or else risk surrendering his entire fortune and spending time in prison.
Maybe Mr. Ma is a true believer, but I have my doubts. The last thing Ma would ever want to do would be to give President Xi a reason to purge him, as he has done with many of his competitors inside and outside of Beijing.
Why again do we give China favored trade status when all it does is evil?
yes, lets use big data analitics to create tons of false positives in an endless feedback loop (because the metrics we use to determine disloyalty and impurity will absoutely include search term related to our arrests, and purely poitical punishments, legal or otherwise, of anyone we find disfavorable), and impose ideological purity requirements that come straight out of a George Orwell novel, because that is what is all the rage for major superpowers to do this decade!
Just look at how effective the collaboration betweem the US and the UK has been at circumventing due process, and employing extraordinary rendition in the politically and financially unfavorable!
Then you have the amazing military and police actions performed under Putin in Russia. Just a few years ago, his ambitious power tripping started with a simple van ride for Gary Kasperov, evolved a few years later into a landgrab of the whole Eastern side of Ukraine, and now has even reached openly meddling in the political processes of its arch rival, the USA, while at the same time double talking about cooperation in Syria.
China simply cannot allow these two forces to surpass it on these essential initiatives in being the most officious regime on the planet! By combining the sigint methods of the US without having to waste precious resources on keeping blatantly illegal actions under wrap, (because we in China are forward thinking enough to have them be legal in the first place!) with the coy military and bold policing done by Russia, we will surely surpass both on our ascendency to becoming the most powerful nation on the planet!
Already, our blatant currency manipulation, predatory trade practices, and complete lack of environmental oversight have completely crippled manufacturing in pretty much every other global power, making them hopelessly dependent upon us for pretty much everything. All we need do at this point is begin our plans to silently and stealthfully sieze control, and domination of ideas and information is essential for this!
Chairman Mao could only have dreamed of the tools available in this new age of Mandarin sepremacy! We have siezed the means of production, and now we must finish the job!
Glory to China!
(cough, gag, sputter-- i hate it when my government mandated feed of nationalism gets switched with the wrong feed! USA! USA!)
It is that so many plebians have horded into the internet that the original culture's voices are drowned out in the teeming masses of ignorant uncultured barbarians that now infest every nook and cranny of the internet.
You can't return the current internet to what it was. You can only create a new network for the pioneers of internet culture and technology to congregate to, and prepare themselves for the inevitable co-opting of the new network by those same masses eventually if it turns out to be as beneficial or foolishly made popular like the previous one was.
Start local, pool resources to buy your own dedicated lines to likeminded individuals in another city, province/state, or country. Create local hubs for other individuals to join. Get your new ISPs non-profit status, or for-profit with an irrevocable corporate charter keeping the vision and purpose alive. Ensure at least a half dozen peopel are ready and willing to step into the CEO/Director's shoes if needed to keep things rolling, sharing a similiar vision to their predecessors.
Unless this is done there is no hope.
Imaginary scenarios are useless, China today faces scales of the entire western world combined on all fronts of crime and terrorism, general internal security policy, and maintenance of law and order. It is not just that the nation is nearly 1.4 billion it is also one which has more than the entire population of the US in just a few cities. For the fantasy obsessed - remember Judge Dredd, now isn't this option much better?
Endorses overarching.
Nothing to see here.
China’s data capabilities are virtually unrivaled among its global peers
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by Bloomberg News
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— With assistance by Yinan Zhao, and Lulu Chen
Oh I see what's happened here.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I am still curious how they are going to explain away the prequel occurring in 2017, but the original takes place in 1984.
Ma's speech also highlights the delicate relationship between Chinese web companies and the government.
You mean, "delicate" as compared to the wholesale in-bed-together relationship between US web companies like Google and the US government, right?
They're getting to the chinese government to bankroll a state-backed citizen rating system, as if the gaokao exams weren't enough of a people-sorting event.
They know who the criminals are. That's who they go to for bribes.
I'm still trying to figure out how the Communist Party in China reconciles the heritage of Mao with the existence of billionaires.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
So basically this guys is asking their government to pull an NSA on their citizens. Good thing it's China then. Don't know about you but I'm gonna scale da fck down my Ali-Express shopping starting right now. It's not like what they have can't be found on ebay or other chinese wholesale-2-consumer competitors anyway.
I wonder how come nobody else thought of turning a state into a totalitarian nightmare with the help of big data?
Dear Jack Ma,
Want to be our CEO?
Yours sincerely,
Research in motion.
CRIMINAL = A person that does not give money or control to the bigger criminal (aka Government)
Crime prevention by repression (i.e. law enforcement) must never go beyond what is needed to keep society functioning. Otherwise you end up with a non-free society in the form of a police-state. Sure, crime is a nuisance, but absence of freedoms is an extreme problem. Even if the police were able to catch all criminals, it must never be allowed to do so. Note that I explicitly exclude preventing and reducing crime by improving living conditions, sense of community, education, etc. These activities are hugely desirable and moral, yet sadly lacking these days.
On the same note, all laws forbidding things are evil by their very nature. Only the ones where it can be demonstrated that they actually prevent significantly greater evil are morally acceptable. All others (and there are a lot) retain their property of being evil and the people making and enforcing them share that property.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Can't blame them. The gop just wants to stop all of the liberal criminals, as long as they let conservative criminals like Hastert go.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
wants to put its citizens under surveillance. In other news, unprotected sex can get you AIDS.