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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'We're Going To Kill Cash' (cnet.com)

At a media event on Thursday, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the Touch ID on the new MacBook Pros will make it incredibly easy for people to do online money transactions. After the event, speaking to reporters Cook made a bold statement about how he sees Apple Pay. CNET reports: "We're going to kill cash," he said. "Nobody likes to carry around cash." He makes most of his purchases with Apple Pay (which is not surprising).Cook's comment comes days after Australia's top banks refused to support Apple Pay, saying that the company has been 'intransigent, closed and controlling'.

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  1. Sorry, Tim... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But you're wrong. There are a metric crapton of us out here who like to carry cash.

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    1. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does he really think we all want all of our purchase data tracked and monetized?

      Because no, I don't.

    2. Re: Sorry, Tim... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. I don't even usually pay in cash and my credit card offers me the luxury of spending way more cash than I would ever like to carry around, but $300 is about right. If for some reason my credit card stops working or I lose it (both of which have happened to me before), $300 should be more than enough to see me through to whenever I can fix it.

      I've lost cash before too, but it's only cash and I can only lose as much as I carry on me.

      I'm sure Tim Cook has a different financial outlook and views on spending than I do. I am down to one credit card. I used to have two, but I never used the other one so the bank refused to renew it. I don't trust debit cards and I'm not going to use my (android) phone to pay so it's credit card or cash. Everybody still takes cash.

      There's a commercial that asks "What's in your wallet?". I'm curious. What's in Tim Cook's wallet? Does he even need a wallet or is there an app for everything from his driver's license to his credit cards. Okay, he doesn't need credit cards because he can use Apple Pay.

      But you can't use Apple Pay everywhere, can you?

      Oh right, the summary says he only makes most of his purchases with Apple Pay.

      I have no idea what Tim Cook is worth, but the idea that someone as rich as he probably is thinks he knows how the common man spends money is laughable.

      And I also bet he keeps some cash on hand, just in case.

    3. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Informative

      One valuable lesson from the power failiure in South Australia, was the need to keep cash. All forms of electronic payment wete useless.

    4. Re: Sorry, Tim... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tim Cook has people to buy things for him.

    5. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you think happens with credit cards?

      And how is that relevant to the argument that some people do like to carry cash around? If someone is using cash instead of Apple Pay then they are also using cash instead of a credit card.

    6. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      But you're wrong. There are a metric crapton of us out here who like to carry cash.

      And non-US citizens. I would much rather carry cash than a card. It's convenient. It's anonymous. It's universal. It doesn't need power or an internet connection to use. It takes up less pocket space than a card (and is physically more flexible). And if I get robbed it automatically limits losses.

    7. Re:Sorry, Tim... by psmoot · · Score: 2

      My cynical understanding is we still have pennies because the zinc manufacturers lobby Congress to keep them around

      I just did a little research. Globally, most zinc is used to galvanize steel and make other metal alloys. Coinage accounts for a few percent of global zinc usage. If lobbying is what's keeping zinc coins around, that's really lame. The zinc industry doesn't need pennies to keep themselves afloat.

    8. Re:Sorry, Tim... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Funny

      He also said "Maps will kill Google Maps" after the first release of Apple Maps...

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    9. Re:Sorry, Tim... by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "People will want this because of the convenience."

      The convenience vs. using a credit/cash card which doesn't depend on batteries, which is both smaller and lighter than a phone, is accepted in many more places than a vendor unique RFID payment "solution," and comes with long established and legally enforced protections against abuse? Or simply carrying cash, which takes almost no space, weighs next to nothing, and is accepted everywhere?

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    10. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I were to use an alternative to cash, it would not be with a company that's going to skim some off of the top, requires using only certain high priced devices, and was Apple. If I don't have the cash then I have the credit card. If I don't have either then I don't actually need to buy the item anyway.

      (Yes they're not charging the users they claim, but they are charging banks and that cost will come back to the consumers in some way.)

    11. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cash is amazingly convenient. People only want this because it's Apple and their cult leaders tell them that they want it.

    12. Re: Sorry, Tim... by DavidRawling · · Score: 5, Funny

      *How does semi-blind grandma aged 90 use Applepay? Should your 4 yr old be given an iPhone to store her pocket money? Should the government give free broadband and laptops to the unemployed just so they can shop for essentials?

      If you're Apple - yes, frankly, everyone should have an iPhone. Even the four year old who needs to learn about money by spending a 10c piece at the grocery store for a paper bag of cheap lollies. She definitely needs a $700 phone.

      If you're Apple.

      For the rest of us it is just a mindless statement by an out of touch rich white guy stroking himself (stroking his ego, get your mind out of the gutter) on stage for applause.

    13. Re:Sorry, Tim... by rholtzjr · · Score: 2

      Agreed, that is the whole point behind cash, it is a currency to allow payment for all transactions both public and private. Emphasis on private!

    14. Re:Sorry, Tim... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few hundred dollars in cash is always a wise idea, for that reason. My dad always told me to keep a $20 bill in my car's trunk as an emergency gas supply - today I'd make that $50-$100, but the principle is the same. When you get in trouble, everyone takes cash.

    15. Re:Sorry, Tim... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It has nothing to do with tracking it has to do with freedom in a capitalist society. With cash in pocket you are free in a capitalist society without cash you are asking permission to exist. You buy nothing without cash, you only ask permission and a distant faceless corporation decides whether to grant you permission to access the essentials of life or starve you to death.

      Capitalism and cash or capitalism must go. I am not going to be a fucking slave to corporations asking 24/7/365 for permission to survive. Cook is an idiot.

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    16. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you high? Seriously, are you high?

      The government would LOVE to see cash end. You think they need to run an actual printing press to give themselves more money? What, they can't log into the computer and simply add more zeros to their bank account balance?

      Now, with all cash gone, if "they" decide you are a problem, they can simply freeze your bank account. No cash, no way to get around it.

      The end of cash is the end of freedom. Right now the government has no idea how much cash I have. I work side jobs in addition to my main employment. One they know about, one they don't. Side work is almost always cash. Said cash goes in the stash. Don't give me any b.s. about taxes. They get enough from me on the legit work. The side work is perhaps 5% of my yearly income. They don't know and they can go fuck themselves. Cash is freedom. They freeze an account.. I'm not fucked. I still have enough to live on for a while.

    17. Re:Sorry, Tim... by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 2

      In Canada and Australia they have $2 coins too (both countries got rid of bills below $5) - and both have similar tipping culture to the US. Also, there's $2 bills if we're too lazy to come up with a $2 coin (Singapore does this) so at most we'd only be getting one dollar coin in our change, not four. All 3 countries have gotten rid of their 1 cent coin, so your pockets end up carrying less change overall. Singapore took things a bit differently, also axing the nickel and using a 20 cent coin instead of a quarter - thus transactions are rounded to the nearest 10 cents.

      The US is not special in this, this is a solved problem.

    18. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Falconhell · · Score: 2

      Australia does not in any way have a tipping culture. We pay proper wages instead, minimum is around $20/hour.
      Never once had to tip anyone in the 46 years I have lived here.

    19. Re:Sorry, Tim... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      Wow that 0.02% APY, assuming I have more than $10,000 in my checking account. So assuming I maintain a minimum balance of $10,000 for an entire year I get an extra $2 big fucking deal. In most cases it is an APY of 0.01% so there one would be looking at a few cents, or the amount of change I get from a trip to Chipotle that I toss out on the sidewalk for kids to find because a kid to finding a few pennies makes the day. Even savings accounts have shit rates now with the best having a 1% APY again big fucking deal.

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    20. Re:Sorry, Tim... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Today's dime was 1970's penny. 1970 prices:

      McDonald's Hamburger 12 cents
      Pepsi 10 cents
      candy bar 5 cents
      Cigarettes 25 cents
      Gasoline 25 cents
      Ajax Cleaner 15 cents
      Alka Selzer 39 cents
      Apples 14 cents per pound
      Bananas 12 cents per pound
      Bathroom Tissue 13 cents
      Birds Eye Cool whip 38 cents
      Campbells Tomato Soup 10 cents
      Clorox bleach 38 cents
      Dogs Food $1.00 for 12 cans
      Fresh Beef Liver 49 Cents per pound
      Frozen Vegetables 25 cents for 2 pks
      Ground Round 79 Cents per pound
      Head and Shoulder Shampoo 79 cents
      Heinz ketchup 19 cents
      Idaho Potatoes 98 cents for 10 pounds

      Miniimum wage was $1.40. So why is it not $14 today? And why do pennies and nickles still exist? ...
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    21. Re: Sorry, Tim... by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2

      But he pays those people with Apple Pay, so his statement holds up.

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  2. Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Closing the loop on cash transactions is just another way to ensure everything we do is tracked.

  3. I love to carry cash... by RobRyland · · Score: 2

    I use cash for almost everything...
    The only thing I usually use my card for is the gas pump (because it is so much more convenient).

  4. Hi Tim by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry but my dealer disagrees.

  5. There's something else he's going to kill - Apple by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Six years into his CEO tenure and all we keep getting is promises about the great products Apple has in the pipeline. That pipeline must be long enough to stretch to the moon because we haven't seen anything great since he's been in charge.

  6. I agree by ark1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once you purchase apple devices and accessories, you have no cash left - only debt.

  7. What's next by Trogre · · Score: 2

    So Tim Cook wants to take away headphone jacks, magsafe and now cash. What's next? Christmas?

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  8. macbook pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why carry a wallet with cash when you can lug around your macbook pro instead.

  9. I'm his dealer by ronmon · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I endorse that message!

  10. So like with the NSA by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    its time to track yet more types transactions with your brand as PRISM did?
    Removing more anonymity and privacy and replacing it with more currency transaction reporting, suspicious activity reporting and monetary instrument logs.

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  11. Read "The War on Cash" article... by Optic7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting take and background on this idea, and some why it's a bad idea: http://thelongandshort.org/soc...

    1. Re:Read "The War on Cash" article... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I like the info which I had heard before about Germans preferring cash. I was thinking this whole cashless hipsterism was everywhere in Europe, but I guess not. Mostly just a subset of Europeans exercising another opportunity to laugh at American barbarians.

      And the reasons why Germans prefer cash are indeed very great reasons. First, you know how much money you have on you if you have cash. When you run out of cash then you stop paying. With a credit card you don't necessarily stop when you hit your limit. And getting out of hand with credit cards has put so many Americans into debt that there's an entire industry devoted to getting people out of debt (I wonder how many companies in Germany are devoted to consolidating debt). Fiscal responsibility means not spending money when you don't have to, whereas Apple Pay is all about eliminating any hesitation by the consumer to spend. I remember having converted Dollars to Finnmarks, and Finnmarks to Krooni, and being left with a set of paper bills whose value was uncertain to me without a calculator handy, but at least I know I had to make that amount last all day and not spend more than ha,f of it for lunch.

      Second, cash is anonymous. If you like privacy then anonymity is very useful. Even innocent people have stuff to hide, even though modern culture likes to treat any aversion to ubiquitous spying as suspicious. The government needs to know how much I make (and they will since I'm honest) but they don't need to know how much I spend or where I spend it. And Apple certainly doesn't need to know either, or Google, or Visa.

      I also like the notion near the end that the point isn't that Germans love cash, but instead that Germans hate debt.

  12. Re:list by supremebob · · Score: 2

    Don't forget full size USB ports, DisplayPort, and HDMI connectors!

    One thing that Apple certainly isn't killing: adapter cables.

  13. Asinine. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We have a system already whereby you can carry a little tiny card of plastic around with you to buy things. It works almost universally. It's already somewhat "killed cash".

    And this idiot thinks that now being able to use something that's slightly more difficult to use at best is somehow going to "kill cash" more than it already is?

    He's a moron and he's talking stupidly. Debit and credit cards "killed cash" already about as much as it will be killed anytime soon.

  14. Seriously, no cash? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    How do I pay for my hookers and blow in a manner that can't be traced?

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  15. Sorry, turns out cash is immortal by SpaceDave · · Score: 2

    Here in New Zealand cash was all but killed many years ago. We were early adopters of POS cards and for decades now even the smallest stores have relied almost entirely on card transactions. A few years ago I tried paying for coffee with cash and the young lady behind the counter looked at the notes as if I'd just handed her a fish as payment. She had to ask her manager how to process cash.

    Like most people I know, I carry a small amount of cash in my wallet just in case, but it's the same two $20 notes I've had in there for about a year.

    However, as rare as it is for me to use cash, I occasionally still do. For example, if my kids need a couple of dollars for a school activity, a coin is the best solution. I've lived half of my 50 years almost cash-free but it will never be completely cash-free. I can't see why it would be a good idea to lose the cash option completely, and I seriously doubt that it will ever happen.

  16. Bullshit. by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

    While I use credit cards for a lot of things. I have no desire to fully replace cash and I DO LIKE to carry cash. cash doesn't require me to ensure I have a charge on my phone/laptop, it still works if the shop is having technology issues and is hugely convenient for small transactions. that is without getting into all the extra security and tracking issues with technology solutions here.

  17. Nobody likes to carry around cash by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody likes to carry around cash

    Well, I prefer to carry cash rather than to disclose what I buy and where I am to banks and others that piggy back on them.

  18. I have money by Chewbacon · · Score: 2

    When I was a kid, my dad told me how one day all you'll have to do is convince a computer you have money, and boom! You could be a millionaire.

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  19. Re:There's something else he's going to kill - App by kaizendojo · · Score: 2

    As a stockholder, I am prone to agree. I feel like it's John Scully all over again. But this time there is no Steve waiting in the wings to save us.

  20. Re:Says Apple, sitting on billions in cash by Malc · · Score: 2

    If my bank statement's more than one page long, it's too long. I hate reviewing the things so I like to keep them simple. I've had fraudelent activity on my credit cards, I've had cards stolen when overseas and struggled to remembered all the recent transactions when I've called the bank, and I've been a victim of identity theft.

    Budgeting is a lot easier with cash too, especially as you have a physical sense of it leaving your wallet. I'm speaking as somebody who went almost cashless and did even the smallest of transactions by card 15-20 years ago. I've gone back to cash because it's better.

  21. Re:"Australia's top banks" by mvdwege · · Score: 2

    "rape the customer and give shitty service"

    You're right, Apple is much better at that.

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  22. Re:Cash-money by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

    Even if the banks are scanning all serial numbers big deal. When I worked at a gas station years ago all small bills, less than a 20, would likely be taken from a customer and handed back to a different one as change. The only time that small bills would end up sent back to the bank is if they were part of the safe drop when we counted down the register at the end of a shift, and even then we would try to keep the small bills by changing them out for 20s or higher from the current registers before making the deposit. I would imagine that the smaller the bill the more it cycles through various private entities before it gets back to a bank. Hundreds, fifties and probably 70% of twenties seem like one and done before they are back at a bank but the other bills probably cycle through a number of times. Also if you wanted to confuse the system wait a while before spending a larger bill.

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  23. Re:FTFY by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    Wow, really?

    I find cash to be perfectly convenient.

    I am assuming that other things you might find a huge pain in the ass:

    - Engaging the turn signal in your car or otherwise paying attention while driving
    - Bending over to pick up a piece of trash you accidently dropped on the ground
    - Washing your hands after using the bathroom
    - Turning off your cell phone in a movie theater
    - Waiting more than a day for someone to deliver stuff to your door step
    - Calling your mom on mother's day

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