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CloudFlare Can Be Ordered To Disclose Science Piracy Website Owner Details (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A New York judge has ruled that CDN provider Cloudflare can be compelled to disclose customer details for the domains libgen.io and bookfi.org, both of which are alleged to provide pirated access to scientific and technical papers, infringing the rights of controversial academic publisher Elsevier. Judge Robert Sweet ruled 'The evidence set forth...demonstrates that Elsevier (publisher who filed the lawsuit) is unable to identify the operators of libgen.org or bookfi.org, or the true location of the computer servers upon which those websites are hosted, absent the ability to take discovery from Cloudflare.' Sweet's ruling refers to 'absent identifying information' necessitating an injunction for Cloudflare to surrender details intended to begin an investigative financial trail to the domain registrants. This information could have been provided by British company TLD Registrar Solutions, who registered libgen.org in 2012 -- and hardly seems likely to retrench under pressure, given the oft-criticised transparency of legal process between the U.S. and the United Kingdom. ICANN and WHOIS also seem like obvious first points of enquiry (however ICANN's secession from control by the United States government at the end of September may have complicated using it as a legal resource), but apparently, neither can help.

55 comments

  1. Thanks by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I had never heard of those sites.

    1. Re:Thanks by Phusion · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then clearly you need to get out more... or.. less, I'm not sure in this context, or why that's relevant, but it's a shame that anyone is using resources to shut these sites down. I suppose it's all in the name of copyright. When it comes to text books, scientific knowledge, they should always be free, anyone, regardless of wealth or affiliation, like the link says, should have access to this stuff for free--- of course the publishers and authors need to be paid for their work, so it's a sticky wicket. Wickets stuck or not, this is more or less what Aaron Swartz fought and died for, we need a solution... and no, I don't have one, other than throw all of it on a torrent tracker with Magnet links and a web host outside of the US/five eyes... but that's just me.

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    2. Re: Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IPFS.

    3. Re:Thanks by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I was/am surprised by the number of academic researchers who don't have libgen, sci-hub, and reddit r/scholar on "speed dial." Universities pay for access to most of the relevant articles, but still, you will come across articles that you don't have legal access to. I can't understand the mindset of "Oh, I can't get that article I'm interested in without paying for it? Whatever."

    4. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nobody cares about you

    5. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I too thank Elsevier for this new information. I already use sci-hub for my professional work because it's better than my uni library's services. I found out about it from a similar news article a while ago.

      Where should OneHundredAndTen and I be looking to be aware of these kind of resources? I don't have the energy or inclination to stick it to the Man, I just read lots of scientific articles for my work. So if I got out more... or... less, what else do I need to know to do my science efficiently and add to the world's knowledge? Where do I go when these websites stop functioning to find their replacement?

    6. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      of course the publishers and authors need to be paid for their work

      Authors (and peer reviewers) of scientific papers are usually not being paid for that by the publisher.

    7. Re:Thanks by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're missing the OP's point, which is that this is an example of the Streisand Effect. Many people may not be that actively interested in reading scientific papers, but then they read articles like this about Elsevier going after these "pirates", and look into the issue, decide that Elsevier's actions and monopolization of the industry are abhorrent, so they go to the pirate sites and start reading, then they tell their friends all about it, and it snowballs.

      We've seen this over and over and over on the internet: when some powerful interest wants to shut something down they don't like, it just brings attention to it and makes it even more popular.

    8. Re:Thanks by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK so get forwarded to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co... which lists lots of sites to get even more things from. Thank you British government!

    9. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you just ask the author directly to forward you a copy. Many will do it gladly.

  2. Thanks for the links :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's nice of them to make all that knowledge available.

  3. publishers holding all the keys again by Idisagree · · Score: 1

    Piracy: providing a public service distribution since at least when the floppy disk was invented.

    In the pursuit of scientific knowledge, no one should be restricted due to their current wealth status.

    1. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      floppy disk

      younggins. we were pirating on tape before you were even born.

    2. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      younggins: we were pirating in the Caribbean on our boats long before tapes.

    3. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heaven forbid people get paid for their hundreds of hours of work

    4. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And since are those sums trickling down to the authors? You must be smoking some good joint.

    5. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Falos · · Score: 2

      Ugg was illegally humming Grook's privately-owned music property before your floating trees.

      "Me wish happy birth-day is yours!" o/~

      But Ugg owns intellectual rights to round wheels. Entire human species owes Ugg royalties. Also some animals. Also most extraterrestrials.

    6. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Just the same, what fraction are published in myriad shit journals is useful and what are just there to give professors something to publish their crap in?

      It is in the interest of these authors these crap journals continue to exist, and they have to pay for themselves somehow, and these meagre subscriptions are it. Now you seek to eviscerate it?

      Tl;dr There's plenty of ignoble behavior to go around.

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    7. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      God made nature, so all scientists owe royalties to God. Checkmate, atheists!

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    8. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Heaven forbid people get paid for their hundreds of hours of work

      Yo, fuckhead, scientists doesn't make money by charging by the download.

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    9. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, atheists made God, so... uh... I forget where I was going with this.

      But it's true!

    10. Re:publishers holding all the keys again by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 0

      tinsel turds

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  4. Scientists have a right to earn money too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stealing.

    1. Re:Scientists have a right to earn money too by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You don't have ANY idea how Elsevier works, do you? ...
      Or did I miss a joke?

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    2. Re:Scientists have a right to earn money too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course that is a joke using the arguments of the movie, music and book culture business industry.

      Everybody knows that the scientist not only don't get the peanuts that these other authors are left for them by the labels but the scientist many times even have the great honor of paying to publish!

  5. The more you know... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Thomas Jefferson engaged in economic espionage against the Italians.
    Which is pretty ballsy given that the Italians were rumored to assassinate your ass for that kind of behavior.

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  6. Sigh by ledow · · Score: 1

    UK Data Protection laws would prevent the disclosure of a British domain name owner's data to a non-EU law process, yes.

    But a valid UK court's request for the same would be accepted.

    Why haven't they tried to compel a UK court to agree to disclose that information for the purposes of law enforcement?

    If they have, and they've been denied, I'd be very interested in the reasoning because there's not much reason to refuse if it's got to the stage of a cross-border copyright infringement. So I'd guess that they haven't tried, or tried hard enough.

  7. "Science Piracy"? Awesome. by hey! · · Score: 1

    If you're against something you shouldn't make it sound so cool.

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    1. Re:"Science Piracy"? Awesome. by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      "We are the Committee to Stop Cool Sex-Havin' Fast Car-Dirvin' Badass Science Sharing."

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  8. http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sci-Hub: removing barriers in the way of science

    And they don't understand that more will follow...

  9. SubjectsInCommentsAreStupidCauseTheSubjectIsTFA by lesincompetent · · Score: 1

    Somebody mirror those sites! Can't risk to lose it all.

    1. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupidCauseTheSubjectIsTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupidCauseTheSubjectIsTFA by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      Hey man, could you explain the difference between your two links? What is the general size of the whole shebang of torrents?

  10. Libgen.org registered via proxy service by stevemclaugh · · Score: 1

    Libgen.org was registered using a proxy service (Whois Privacy Corp, based in the Bahamas), so that explains why Elsevier hasn't pursued records from TLD Registrar Solutions. http://pageadviser.com/www.lib... Elsevier is aware of this, as one of their lawyers notes in this filing: http://www.stephenmclaughlin.n...

  11. As a scientist... by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't even understand what "science piracy" might mean. The whole reason for scientific work to exist, is to be disseminated. Paywalled scientific journals are exactly the antithesis of what science is, which is openness, exposure, universal access.

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    1. Re:As a scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about the committees who decide on things like tenure, promotion, grants, etc.
      They give more weight to papers published in paywalled journals. I don't see how to fix that.

    2. Re:As a scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about the committees who decide on things like tenure, promotion, grants, etc.
      They give more weight to papers published in paywalled journals. I don't see how to fix that.

      Bullets are cheaper than lawyers and far more effective.

    3. Re:As a scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phrase "Science Piracy" is primarily an artifact of journalists' needs to mangle and condense language. That said, since the rules of mangled, condensed language are known, one can deploy a phrase like that as an abbreviation of "Scientific Publications Piracy" and use it to propagate the nonsensical and hand-wavy notion of "Science Piracy."

    4. Re:As a scientist... by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also a scientist; I say it's not even piracy. Piracy is downloading something you didn't pay for. If I download, for example, the new Star Wars VII or Civ 6, that would be piracy, because I would be getting something that someone else made, with their money, with the intention of making a return on that investment, without paying a fair price for it.

      On the other hand, if you download something that was made at a public institution, build and run with public funds, by a group in some part funded by public money grants, than that is not stealing; that is getting what you are owed. Demanding that someone should have to give $39.99 to some leech-weasel publishing company to get access to something they already paid for is the real piracy going on here. Elsevier and their ilk are stealing from the public.

      Science needs to be open to everyone, not just those of us lucky enough to have institutional access (and hell, where I am, I don't even have easy access to all years for all journals, stupid as that is). I've no sympathy whatsoever here for them, and I'd bet they don't even lose money anyway when some curious individuals 'pirate' scientific articles, because most people aren't going to pay $40 for something that may or may not be pertinent to what they want to know. I'm not at all one of those people who rejects the idea of copyright and IP in general, not at all, but Elsevier and the rest of them are thieves, and they can take their copyright and shove it up their ass.

      If science piracy is giving the public access to what they are entitled to and supporting the principle of scientific openness for all people, than long live science piracy.

    5. Re:As a scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this... they will just apply for more government grants next year to cover the "losses incurred by piracy".

    6. Re:As a scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even understand what "science piracy" might mean. The whole reason for scientific work to exist, is to be disseminated. Paywalled scientific journals are exactly the antithesis of what science is, which is openness, exposure, universal access.

      Not to mention that a lot of articles where the research was paid for by tax dollars gets locked up in these pay journals, and the scientists that actually wrote the articles often have no say in this.

      Elsevier and their ilk are greedy scumbags of the highest order. Hopefully the owners of these sites are outside US jurisdiction and there are plenty of mirror sites waiting to pop up.

  12. Apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ICANN and WHOIS also seem like obvious first points of enquiry (however ICANN's secession from control by the United States government at the end of September may have complicated using it as a legal resource), but apparently, neither can help.

    Focus on the word 'apparently'.

  13. Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by mbeckman · · Score: 1

    We either have rule of law, or we don't. These scientific paper copyright infringers violate current law. If they don't like the law, they can lobby to change it. They have no right to violate the rights of others anonymously.

    1. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I support the rule of law and the law is that Copyright does not apply for educational purposes. So, again, what is "science piracy"?

    2. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously those who help(ed) free slaves were criminals, and so were the nazis that refused to follow lawful orders.

    3. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It is my opinion that the current copyright law is in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current copyright law is invalid. My obedience to it is mainly because it doesn't interfere with what I choose to do, and occasionally because of fear. I and if a work is in print and has existed for less than 20 years I feel that the FORMER copyright law (prior to the Walt Disney extensions) should be respected. Not the current one.

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    4. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is my opinion that the current theft law is in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current theft law is invalid.
      It is my opinion that the current murder law is in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current murder law is invalid.
      It is my opinion that the current fraud law is in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current fraud law is invalid.
      It is my opinion that the current pedophilia law is in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current pedophilia law is invalid.
      It is my opinion that the current colored rights laws are in violation of the US Constitution. The Supreme Court disagrees with me, but that doesn't change my mind, because their reasoning was faulty. Therefore the current colored rights laws are invalid. I feel that the FORMER colored rights laws (prior to the Civil War) should be respected, not the current one.

      Your opinion of law doesn't matter. Hell, I agree with you on copyright but my opinion doesn't matter either. It's still illegal until the law of the land is changed.

    5. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If the argument is made about what is enforced, I agree with you completely. If the argument is about what is legal, I disagree.

      I do understand that different people will have different opinions, and that society depends upon a certain consensus of behavior, but while I may obey laws that I consider illegal, I don't respect them. And others are less obedient.

      A decent society depends on decent laws. When the enforced laws are so blatantly illegal it inspires widespread disrespect for the laws, and obedience only based on fear, which means only when you think you might get caught. This is extremely bad for society. It means that the ruling group has lost the trust in their rightness, and this tends to inspire widespread turbulence and general disrespect for even the necessary laws. (And people are such that some laws are necessary, and we live more comfortably in a *loosely* hierarchical social structure.)

      The US Constitution is an excellent framework around which to build a society. It's not perfect, and needs some repair before it can work well in a strong-federal/weak-state environment, particularly with rapid transportation and communication. It needs to be a bit easier to amend, and there needs to be a built-in mechanism to allow for both emergency action and recovery from the emergency. This "reinterpreting it so we can easily deal with the current situation" is not an acceptable mechanism, partially because the interpretation is not only temporary. I'm also uncertain that even the basic design is suited for as large a country as the US has become. The higher levels of government are now too distant from the people they are supposed to represent. It would be better for the larger states to be subdivided, and the the federal government to only be able to regulate the states. Perhaps the state governments should also appoint the senators, as was the earlier practice.

      The above, though, is all in the "not going to happen" scenario. What *is* going to happen isn't clear, but will probably involve increasingly automated interfaces between the people and the government. This could be either good or bad, depending on design and implementation.

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    6. Re:Rule of law, or of scofflaws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We either have rule of law, or we don't. These scientific paper copyright infringers violate current law. If they don't like the law, they can lobby to change it. They have no right to violate the rights of others anonymously.

      If we have rule of law, then the Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land.

      The Bill of Rights retains unspecified rights to the people (9th Amendment) and reserves unspecified rights to the people (10th Amendment).

      By definition, no entity of government can take away such rights.

      By definition, there is no need to do any lobbying or voting for these rights to exist. These are not rights given to the government, they are retained by the people - we lobby the government, we vote for government officials - but the rights of the people do not depend in any way on the government and are superior to it.

      Every legal professional, every law enforcement officer, and every senior government official agrees to act within the limits set by the Bill of Rights, including any rights the people reasonably assert. This is required by the oaths that they swear, and by the Constitutional requirement of "good behavior". They have the choice of moving to another country if they do not want to comply with the highest law of this land, and thus there can be no excuse for failing to comply.

      No precedent can change anything I have stated above - for ANY court to create a precedent to contrary is oath-breaking and illegal conduct, and the precedent is immediately rendered null and void (and the persons involved immediately cease to be government officials). Think Nuremberg.

      A right can be asserted to reasonable access to all scientific work (excepting military secrets) that receives public funding. Any reasonable person will agree that this is a reasonable right, and hence a right protected under the highest law of the land.

      When the highest law in the land comes into conflict with lessor law - such as acts of Congress - the lessor law must yield. Hence, copyright law - as currently written, with respect to scientific papers - is an illegal law. The same can be said of the DMCA.

      Note also that the right to ethical practice of law - also a 9th Amendment right - is applicable here. As a matter of ethical practice of law, reasonable conduct in all of its forms is protected, as is the right to long term public oversight over government.

      There is nothing ex-post-facto here: the 9th and 10th Amendments have been a part of the Bill of Rights since the beginning of US law, and hence have always limited the legal authority of Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court - whether or not those folks (or the US legal profession) choose to acknowledge that.

      It might be reasonable to let publishers hold items for a year or two, but the vast majority of scientific papers protected beyond paywalls are far older than this - and the vast majority of the work involved has received public funding. It follows that, if we are to have rule of law, then we must acknowledge that the publishers are violating the Bill of Rights - as are the legal professionals in their hire. They are depriving members of the public of their rights, under the colour of law, and thus subject to both criminal charges and civil suit under the USC.

      So, yes, let us have rule of law, instead of the usual nonsense of the US legal profession and US government both ignoring the law whenever it suits them (such as whenever appropriate bribery - aka campaign contributions - is used to buy immunity from the law, or whenever ignoring the obligations of legal ethics creates long term demand for the services of lawyers).

  14. cloudflare needs to die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cloudflare isn't a CDN company, they're tracking company disguised as a CDN. Notice that they force the content to go via their domains, which means they can put cookies that can be tracked across multiple sites.

    Fuck cloudflare.

  15. whois and traceroute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whois and traceroute gvie you nice clues. The servers are called NS1.COLLEGEFUN.ORG and NS2.COLLEGEFUN.ORG. The address is New Providence, Bahamas. The phone number is +1.5163872248. You can reach the server admins via email: 54a8a84baktx64vi@5225b4d0pi3627q9.whoisprivacycorp.com .
    I'm sure if you emailed them, telling them that you think that they broke the law in some fashion, (or that you want to sue them), and all they have to do is identify themselves so that you can sue them properly, they will give you some kind of reply. I have to say, the entire lawsuit looks like a fishing trip: "we think you might have something that belongs to us, or at least might have something that we would like to own and will not hesitate to sue you over whether we actually own it or not. We're having a hard time raiding your offices and harassing you. Give us a sign."

  16. How? Just How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can someone be guilty of "pirating" something that THEIR TAXES paid for in the first place?

  17. Not Piracy on Multiple Levels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first and foremost reason that the scientific articles are not pirated is because most of them were paid for with public tax dollars. Elsevier is profiting by privatizing publicly owned content.

    The second reason that the articles are not pirated is because they don't involve kidnapping, robbery, or murder on the high seas.

  18. Re:How? Just How? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Proof reading, experts to look over the work, an index and publication all transmute that raw gov funded data into pure private sector profit.

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  19. sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just once I want to run a website via a foreign country and have someone come looking to me to force me to give up info. I want to send them a color copy of my ass so I accurately direct them as to what component to kiss.