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LastPass Makes Password Management Free Across All Of Your PCs, Tablets and Smartphones (cnet.com)

LastPass on Wednesday announced that its popular password manager will now be free for all to use. LastPass previously charged a fee of $12 per year to sync passwords across multiple devices, such as a computer, tablet or phone. From a report on CNET: To entice newcomers, the service allowed you to access select features for free on either the web or on a mobile device, but syncing between the two required a premium membership. Not anymore -- that service is now free. LastPass is one of the best known and most trusted password managers. Its main purpose is to store all of your passwords in an encrypted vault in the cloud. The vault can only be opened using a master password that only you know. LastPass doesn't store the master password or have access to it, which means even if its servers were to be breached, your precious passwords would remain encrypted and protected.

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  1. No news at 11 by TimothyHollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see anything newsworthy here at all. Did some sneaky little marketer pay for someone's lunchy-lunch yesterday?

    Bad Slashdot, bad!

  2. Re:A Master Password.... by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...that only you transmit up to 'the cloud' anytime you want to use any of your passwords, anywhere.

    I know it isn't quite that simple or risky, but it's rather close.

    Password Managers, by design, serve the function of reducing your security.

    That's not how it works.

  3. Why? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can someone explain why I would want to have Lastpass hold the keys to my kingdom when I could just use a trusted, open source option like Keepass with a private server or free account on any number of cloud storage services? Browser plug-ins aren't exactly known for their great security.

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    1. Re:Why? by ljw1004 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Their servers only store an encrypted blob that they (the company) can't decrypt". You don't know that. Unless you can see the source you don't know anything about it.

      Technically true. But let's look at the equivalent Keepass steps:

      1. Download source code for desktop version
      2. Audit it
      3. Compile it locally
      4. Optional: encrypt the binary and store it somewhere in (say) dropbox if you want to avoid steps 1-3 each time in future
      5. Download source code for iOS version (say)
      6. Audit it
      7. Purchase $100/year Apple developer license
      8. Compile it locally
      9. Deploy the binary to your iOS device

      Unless you've gone through steps 1-9 yourself, then the difference between "trusting Keepass" and "trusting Lastpass" are immaterial.

    2. Re:Why? by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bound by their own policy? Comical. Is that like "Do no evil"?

    3. Re:Why? by idji · · Score: 2

      Keepass users are more tech-savvy than Lastpass users. Different customers.

    4. Re:Why? by mrlinux11 · · Score: 2

      They could encrypt it and send it up. The question is how good is the encryption and the password you used to generate the key. If they use a combination of symmetric key for the bulk encryption and asymmetric key (generated from Password) to encrypt the symmetric key. Then they could encrypt everyone's data with the same symmetric key and encrypt it with the asymmetric key to make it look secure. So now the NSA can get access to everyone's userid and password

    5. Re:Why? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      I guess I never realized that breaking a company policy was illegal. Thanks for the tip!

  4. Okay, what's the business model then? by Dr.+Crash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which leaves us with the interesting question of LastPass's business model.

    1) Advertising? Knowing every site you visit - AND YOUR PASSWORD?

    2) "We have a benefactor". Yeah. Except that maybe that benefactor is the NSA. Or is it the GRU? Or is it the MSS (China's NSA)?

    No matter how I slice it, I can't figure out an angle that isn't kinda creepy.

    1. Re:Okay, what's the business model then? by Githaron · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are still features exclusive to premium and enterprise users: https://lastpass.com/features/

    2. Re:Okay, what's the business model then? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      "What would they sell? They don't have any information about you, except your login and a collection of encrypted bits that might as well be random."

      How do you know that? You don't. There sure are a lot of people here claiming they know how LastPass works. Without the source being open, I wonder how they know that.

    3. Re: Okay, what's the business model then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Remember These,

      June 15, 2015 - LastPass Reporting a Security Breach, Including Authentication Hashes and Salts https://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/15/2143222/lastpass-reporting-a-security-breach-including-authentication-hashes-and-salts

      January 17, 2016 - LastPass Vulnerable To Extremely Simple Phishing Attack https://it.slashdot.org/story/16/01/17/1936211/lastpass-vulnerable-to-extremely-simple-phishing-attack

      July 27, 2016 - LastPass Accounts Can Be 'Completely Compromised' When Users Visit Sites https://it.slashdot.org/story/16/07/27/1342205/lastpass-accounts-can-be-completely-compromised-when-users-visit-sites

      Could it be that the business model is incompetence?

      A staunch KeePass user.

  5. Re:A Master Password.... by suutar · · Score: 5, Informative

    from How It Works:
    Local-Only Encryption
    User data is encrypted and decrypted at the device level. Data stored in the vault is kept secret, even from LastPass.

    Now, you don't have to believe that if you don't want to, but unless you have evidence I'm gonna say you appear to be mistaken in your understanding of how it works.

  6. Re:A Master Password.... by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

    Or ya could use keepass across all your devices without using somebody shared hosting.

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  7. Re:Still charging for two factor support by portnoy · · Score: 2

    According to their website, a number of forms of 2FA are available free. The free options largely involve either one-time verification codes like Google Authenticator or push notifications to your smart phone. Premium is required for Yubico, Sesame, and windows fingerprint recognition.

  8. Re:A Master Password.... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't use LastPass, but they make it abundantly clear that all encryption and decryption is local-only, done on-device, not in the cloud, so that they never have access to the information in your vault. From what I can gather, their cloud is little more than a sync engine between devices, rather than the place from which you access your data.

  9. Re:A Master Password.... by hsmith · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have a keylogger installed then none of your passwords you'd be storing are safe anyway. A useless fucking point.

  10. Re:WHo cares how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    They can't get stolen because they're encrypted. They could as well be public, because they're of no use to anyone who doesn't know the master password.

  11. Re:A Master Password.... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    Password Managers, by design, serve the function of reducing your security.

    That's too simplistic. They can both increase your security and decrease other aspects at the same time. If they make it feasible to have different login credentials for every site, that will increase your security. Since they also create a single point of failure to your entire kingdom, that will decrease your security.

    Here's my analysis - please point out any logical flaw: if I use the same credentials on many web sites, an attack on a single web site is just as damaging as someone installing a keylogger on my PC/phone. By using a password manager, I can use a different set of credentials for the hundreds of different sites that I use, making me immune to any one of them being hacked. The single point of failure makes it slightly easier for a hacker to gain access to any of those sites, but I'm not sure I lose any security in practical terms because if they have a way to extract my memorized password, they can just wait patiently for me to access the target website, or they can any other passwords that I type for other sites - knowing that there will likely be some overlap.

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  12. Re:A Master Password.... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh look at that, a shill posting a boilerplate explanation from his company's own website.

    Unless you have "evidence" to the contrary, I'm gonna say that your opinion is irrelevant because it isn't your own, your corporate pimps handed it down to you and you sucked it up like the good little whore you are.

    This is where we thank the wonders of open-source, so you can freely read the code and see for yourself how it works.

    Not that I suspect, of course, that you ever have done that, ever wanted to do that, or ever will do that. At least I'm the honest whore.

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  13. Re:A Master Password.... by Lopton · · Score: 2

    This is also not true with default settings from LastPass, by default last pass won't let you login from an unknown device or unknown location, it will send an e-mail to a account you specify and require you to click the link to allow access from the remote location. Also you can secure access like I do with a physical token (Yubikey).

  14. Re:Your master password is still vulnerable by Lopton · · Score: 2

    Lastpass Premium integrates with the Yubikey.

  15. Re:A Master Password.... by LiENUS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since LastPass is open source whats your complaint?
    https://github.com/lastpass/la...

  16. Re:A Master Password.... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is only one side of the code (that they are presumably using in their closed source client). Where is the rest?

    Ermm... This is pretty much a full blown client, which it says right on the giant README. On phones you have a point, but on the desktop you can use this and be guaranteed it's the same client. As for the rest, what does it matter? You see your password is being encrypted, and you can check it's not backdoored. If you trust modern encryption at all, then you know your secrets are safe because there's no way to crack your passwords unless your master password is literally "1234". If you don't trust encryption, well, I'm afraid you're a little out of luck for security then. :)

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  17. Re:Slashvertisement by IRGlover · · Score: 2

    I particularly like them because the comments then provide information about better, usually open source alternatives. So they are essentially paying to have their competitors promoted instead of their products.

  18. Re: WHo cares how it works. by dnorman · · Score: 5, Informative

    each site has a unique, computer-generated password. which is stored in encrypted form and only decrypted by you when you need to retrieve that single password. if one of the 20 sites doesn't store their password properly in their database, only that password will be compromised and the other 19 are safe. This is much better than using a single super-secure-nobody-could-possibly-guess-it password for all sites.

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  19. Re:Fuck you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yep. KeePass is open source and stores your password database locally (or remotely via something like WebDAV). Another alternative is to use a password hasher that regenerates all of your passwords based on a master password so that there is no stored database to be potentially compromised at all.

    There is no reason to trust LastPass or any other proprietary, third party solution with your most valuable data. Also, didn't LastPass recently get hacked?

  20. Re: A Master Password.... by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unless you are making your own CPU, firmware, compilers, personally audit every line of code, etc, I guarantee you that you hit the "I believe" button somewhere along the way.

    Going for absolute security is a great navel-gazing exercise. Pick the security boundary you are comfortable with and realize that you have no control outside the boundary. Hopefully you pick a boundary that fails gracefully.

    I personally do not believe open source is any more secure than closed source in any practical sense.

  21. Re:A Master Password.... by kevmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Calling anyone who disagrees, especially when they point out that you are wrong, a "shill" is just the same as any unsupported BS from a presidential candidate. Null content.

    Several years ago I had the job of evaluating LastPass for $DAY_JOB. I tested it by capturing the data uploaded to the network and confirmed that it was AES encrypted using my password on my system and the data was all encrypted before leaving my system. the master password was never transmitted in any form that I could find. No traffic was generated to/from any other port or location.

    While it is true that things might have changed since then, the server remains open source and you can confirm that it does not ever touch the master password in any form. More importantly, the system is heavily examined on a continuing basis by security researchers and, while vulnerabilities have been found, reported, and fixed, there has never been any question of the master password leaving the client.

    With well over 100 unique, random, long passwords, some only used once or twice a year, I really lack other options than a password vault in a world where accounts might need to be accessed from a desktop, two laptops, and two phones running six OSes (2 VMs and one dual boot).

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  22. Why CNET? by alexru · · Score: 2

    Why is this going to fking CNET instead of the LastPass blog? Here is the actual article https://blog.lastpass.com/2016...

  23. Re:Fuck you! by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep. KeePass is open source and stores your password database locally (or remotely via something like WebDAV). Another alternative is to use a password hasher that regenerates all of your passwords based on a master password so that there is no stored database to be potentially compromised at all.

    There is no reason to trust LastPass or any other proprietary, third party solution with your most valuable data. Also, didn't LastPass recently get hacked?

    And if you want to sync passwords across devices, just keep the KeePass database in a cloud storage account. In the event that your cloud account is breached, the database is still encrypted

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  24. Re: WHo cares how it works. by dnorman · · Score: 2

    wait. people agree with each other on the internet? what the hell just happened? ;-)

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  25. Re:A Master Password.... by irrational_design · · Score: 2

    Unless you are on the Apple ecosystem, then keepass is a nightmare to set up (YMMV, but that has been my experience). LastPass on the other hand just works.