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Ukraine's Military Wants To Use the HoloLens For Its Tanks (ubergizmo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ubergizmo: Microsoft's HoloLens has so far been positioned as a device for gaming. However it seems that over in the Ukraine, they believe that the technology has use in the military as well, particularly by tank commanders. Given that a tank is more or less fully sealed, it means that looking around isn't quite as easy. Usually this is achieved by mounting cameras on the vehicle with the images projected inside the tank, but with the HoloLens, it will make it easier. Created by Limpid Armor, the HoloLens-enabled helmet will be dubbed the Circular Review System. The video feeds that are gathered from the cameras outside of the tank will then be stitched together and sent to the headset, thus allowing the wearer to see around the vehicle. Not only will this allow them to have a better view, but apparently the helmet will also let the wearer tag enemy and friendly soldiers, and also designate targets and send information back to the commander.

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  1. Blue screen of death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Brings a new meaning to blue screen of death

  2. Re:ECM for phun and profit by Calydor · · Score: 2

    What on earth makes you think the cameras don't use wires that go into the tank?

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  3. Re:ECM for phun and profit by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Why wouldn't they simply hardwire everything? I'm sure the tank already has a sophisticated network of electronics.

  4. Ahh, the joys of ignorance by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Yeah, they probably won't use Wifi and a Signal would be hard to maintain even from a few inches away. That aside, did you ever notice that tanks lack wired gear hanging outside? Don't you think there is a reason for this feat of Engineering not to have wired components hanging outside? 60-75tons of metal bouncing around over and through tough terrain should immediately give you a clue why nobody uses any such technology.

    US vehicles using cameras have them built in to the armor design, not added after the fact. Drilling holes in armor is a really dumb idea, and leads to weak spots.

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    1. Re:Ahh, the joys of ignorance by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      ... US vehicles using cameras have them built in ...

      Cameras, like many electronic devices, require 2 electrical feeds: 'Power in' and 'signal out': The 'signal out' wire can be replaced with a radio but the easiest way to provide power is via wires. It's difficult to believe current tanks don't have this hidden somewhere.

      What fighting aircraft and armored vehicles typically have are called "hard points", where weapons and other gear are attached and connected to the vehicle's systems as required.

      In the case of well-designed armored vehicles they are hardened to withstand/mitigate hits and damage, and knowing they are an attractive target, are often designed to be harder to penetrate/damage than other less-critical areas.

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    2. Re: Ahh, the joys of ignorance by Malc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course this only works up to a point. A Challenger 2 during the last Iraq war was hit by 14 RPGs and an anti-tank missile, the most exxtensive damage being to its sighting system. They got it operational again in six hours after recovery.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  5. Re:ECM for phun and profit by sectoidman · · Score: 2

    Tanks typically have a "Commander" position to go along with the gunner, driver, loader(s) (for tanks without an autoloader).

  6. Where's the money coming from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ukraine is very poor. Sure, they saved some money when they stiffed Russia for their gas bill, but not enough to be able to spend on frivolous things.

    How much would you bet that any work done to develop this is paid for by U.S. tax dollars so that it can all be funneled back to some big defense contractor? Probably at many times the cost of off-the-shelf HoloLenses. All justified because it has to be customized and ruggedized.

    1. Re:Where's the money coming from? by manu0601 · · Score: 2

      You have a point. Russia's Military spending is a tenth of what the US spends currently, and way below that of the Soviet era. So the Russification of neighboring States has been put on hold for a decade or so. But it _will_ continue, as it has since the days of Peter the Great and his expanding Russian Empire.

      If you want to understand Russia's moves, you need to consider its point of view: For Russia, NATO is an hostile expanding power at work in eastern Europe.

    2. Re: Where's the money coming from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you are an idiot. There never was a country called "ukraine" before Soviet Union. You have to thank Lenin and Stalin for creating that shitty republic out of primarily Russian territories and Russian people.

      Say it - "Thank you, Lenin and Stalin, for creating my shitty ukro-republic that will soon cease to exist under its own weight".

  7. Re:ECM for phun and profit by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Tank commander (inside the tank). And if the tanks have encrypted communications with field command, it'd be there regardless of whether there are cameras on the tank,

  8. Re: Summary starts out strong... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    Using digital device of company headquartered in country of potential enemy is not wise

  9. Maybe a dumb question but... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    why do they still need people in the tank?

    1. Re:Maybe a dumb question but... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Because radio signals can be degraded completely. With UAVs at least they have altitude and clearer lines of sight to repeaters and directional laser systems. A tank rolling through a forest or city streets doesn't have that luxury.

  10. Re:ECM for phun and profit by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Well that's one strategy the Russians could use. Alternatively, they might just try having 50 times as much of everything as whoever they're fighting.

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  11. I've worked with HoloLens by Tinsoldier314 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By far the best thing about it was it's ability to rapidly construct meshes of the space you're in and track head movements so that holograms displayed in the scene remain stable as you move your head and move around. It seems to me, almost none of those strengths come to play when you're sitting in chair/cockpit of a tank. I wouldn't consider the IMU and transparent OLED screens to be the biggest differentiators of the HoloLens. Also, the viewing angle of the screens sucks balls and is by far the most limiting aspect of the HoloLens experience. Furthermore, the HoloLens is a stand-alone Windows 10 machine which limits the amount of processing power available. Again, if you're seated in a tank then you don't need a cordless experience along with all the handicaps that entails.

  12. In the news today.... by BatGnat · · Score: 2

    In the news today, Ukraine loses war while tanks apply updates....

  13. Re: Summary starts out strong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Didn't think that Russia made the hololens.

  14. Re:CoD "expert" by s.petry · · Score: 1

    No, I don't think everyone gets new things off the assembly line. Not only am I an Army Vet, I spent 10 years building the computer systems used to design, engineer, and upgrade most US Military vehicles. The Bradley had built in vision systems, you would not hang a go-pro off the side to replace it. You hung crap off the side, but nothing was mission critical because you know what happens to vehicles in normal run mode let alone combat. The Ukrainian military is running mostly T72s and some T80s. You are not going to drill holes in the tank and hang homemade gear on it.

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  15. Re:CoD "expert" by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

    The only T-72s Ukraine uses are these that were actually sold to some African country but were never delivered. The ukrainian tank factories only can maintain T-64 and the diesel version of T-80 because it is what they used to manufacture in the soviet times. T-72 is being built in Nizhny Tagil, Russia. This was actually the proof of Russian military helping the separatists - they have used several T-72B3, which Ukraine never had. Ukraine used to have thousands of T-72 in 1991 (older versions) , but because of the aforementioned maintenance issues (they cannot manufacture the T-72 engines and autoloaders) the ones that were still good were sold, a few of them were downgraded with T-64 engines and also mostly sold, and the rest still rusts on their tank graveyards.

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  16. Battlezone by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    for realz

  17. Re: Summary starts out strong... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    their other potential enemy, whose intelligence service already has meddled in their government causing civil war and other huge problems

  18. Re: Summary starts out strong... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Lazy: unwilling to work over 40 hours uncompensated
    Entitled: expecting to get paid a salary commensurate with the work being performed, not half of other people in the same job.

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