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Judge Refuses To Block New York 'Ballot Selfie' Law (reuters.com)

Last week, we wrote about a federal lawsuit that is challenging a New York state law that makes it a misdemeanor to show a marked election ballot to others. Today, we learn that a federal judge has refused to block enforcement of the law. Reuters reports: U.S. District Judge Kevin Castel in Manhattan said it would "wreak havoc on election-day logistics" to issue a preliminary injunction against the law, which prohibits the display of "ballot selfies." Three voters sued on Oct. 26 to block enforcement of the law, saying that sharing ballot selfies was a form of speech protected by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. But the judge said that because of the imminence of next Tuesday's election, the voters needed to show a "clear or substantial likelihood" that their lawsuit would succeed before he could issue an injunction, and that they had not done so. "The public's interest in orderly elections outweighs the plaintiffs' interest in taking and posting ballot selfies," though they remained free to express their political message through "other powerful means," Castel wrote. Leo Glickman, a lawyer for the voters, said in an interview his clients were disappointed by the ruling and do not plan to appeal it, but will keep pressing their case ahead of the 2017 election cycle. "People should be able to express themselves freely by photographing their marked ballots and putting them on social media feeds," he said, adding that state legislators have expressed interest in having the law repealed.

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  1. Not a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we allow this, we open things up so that people can be pressured to vote one way or another. People's votes are their own, they shouldn't have to answer to their bosses or anyone else about who they vote for.

    1. Re:Not a good idea... by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. This is an appalling example of thoughtlessness and idiocy that endangers democracy and clean elections.

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    2. Re: Not a good idea... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative

      No doubt lots of Trump votes will magically become Clinton votes.

      Funny, the reality of the situation is votes for Clinton are already being flipped to Trump.

      Not to mention Trump supporters committing voter fraud.

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    3. Re: Not a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forget that in America, truth is not determined by facts but rather by whatever is repeated the most often and the loudest.

    4. Re:Not a good idea... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it is legally permissible to prove, through photographic evidence, who exactly they supported, then it is entirely possible for people to intimidate someone else into providing such proof, because you have absolutely zero proof that they are taking that photo entirely of their own volition, and with no influence from anyone who wants to know how that person voted.

  2. Why this law exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the most important aspects of our voting process is preventing coercion. This is done by making your vote as anonymous as possible. Imagine your boss comes up to you and demands that you vote a certain way or you will lose your job, and tells you to take a ballot selfie to prove it. If a ballot selfie is illegal, then no one can force you to vote that way. While I respect the first amendment argument, protecting voting rights is the more important concern here.

  3. Re: Vote Buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What would you be happy with receiving as compensation for you vote?

    "This is a nice job you've got here. Would be a shame if I had to.. fire you."

  4. Re:Replacement Ballots by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nobody is stopping you from posting "I voted for _" on social media. If no one believes you without a picture of your ballot you've got bigger problems anyway.

  5. Re:On the plus side nobody's allowing it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So under your version of compulsory voting

    I love how you talk about it as if its this theoretical system with all sorts of trivial flaws that no one has ever thought about, as opposed to the actual voting system in a number of countries and regions including, for example Australia.

    It's a real thing. It doesn't cause the world to fall over. It's called compulsory voting whether you like it or not despite the non-requirement to cast a valid vote. You're not compelling speech, you're compelling voting. It's not speech because no one knows what you said and you don't have to say anything. But you still have to turn up. Like the OP said, do you object to dury duty because you're compelled to speak and render a verdict?

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  6. Re:Not really by dcw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The laws were created to prevent vote buying and intimidation. If you had to prove to someone how you voted, this would be one way to do so. Making it illegal is the only logical way to prevent that.

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  7. Re:On the plus side nobody's allowing it by pegacat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Australian here - compulsory voting works quite well - it's not really compulsory voting, more compulsory attendance; you have to show up but the ballot is secret, so you can just write swear words on it and draw rude pictures if you want - and some do.

    But it has a huge effect on the political discourse - because parties don't need to 'get the vote out', politics becomes largely a squabble over the middle ground, and extremists on either side don't tend to do so well. Our politicians are usually pretty boring compared to overseas. Given all the other things we have to do as part of society, showing up every few years to vote seems a fairly small price to pay to keep democratic government ticking over.

    Not sure how it would play elsewhere, but it works well for us... as does the whole preferential voting system; you can put your least disliked major party second last, and vote for other people first without 'wasting' your vote.

    Anyway, back on topic: the selfie thing is a problem, as it breaks the whole secret ballot shtick. I can see the free speech argument, but there's a reason for secret ballots; without them you can get intimidation, coercion, people selling votes etc... sometimes I think we forget that these things were hard fought for a long time ago, and they shouldn't be given up without a lot of careful thought...

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