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How President Trump Could Destroy Net Neutrality (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Donald Trump's presidential election victory could have dire consequences for U.S. internet freedom and openness, according to several tech policy experts and public interest advocates surveyed by Motherboard on Wednesday. The Republican billionaire will likely seek to roll back hard-won consumer protections safeguarding net neutrality, the principle that all internet content should be equally accessible, as well as a host of other policies designed to protect consumers, ensure internet freedom, and promote broadband access, these experts and advocates said. In the wake of Trump's election victory, FCC Chairman Wheeler is likely to step down before the billionaire reality TV star is inaugurated in January. Incoming presidents traditionally have the prerogative to select the leader of FCC, which has broad regulatory power over the nation's cable, phone and satellite companies. It's unclear whom Trump might nominate to lead the FCC, but Ajit Pai, the Kansas-born Republican FCC commissioner and former Verizon lawyer, is likely to be a contender. Trump has tapped Jeffrey Eisenach, a conservative scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, to lead his telecom policy transition team, according to Politico. Eisenach is a well-known figure in right-wing telecommunications policy circles, with a reputation as a "crusader against regulation." One immediate consequence of Trump's election is a dimmer outlook for ATT's proposed $85 billion buyout of entertainment giant Time Warner. Last month, Trump vowed to block the deal, warning that it would result in "too much concentration of power in the hands of too few." Trump's ignorance about tech and telecom policy was on full display throughout the election season. For example, Trump blithely compared net neutrality to the FCC's old Fairness Doctrine, a bizarre and ignorant assertion for which he was roundly mocked. The Fairness Doctrine, which was eliminated decades ago, required media outlets to afford a "reasonable opportunity" for the airing of opposing views on major issues. Net neutrality has nothing to do with the Fairness Doctrine, but rather ensures that consumers have open, unfettered access to the internet. Net neutrality can't be torpedoed overnight. The FCC rules prohibiting online fast lanes and discriminatory broadband practices are now U.S. policy, and they can't be dismantled at the whim of an authoritarian president. But a Trump-backed, Republican-led FCC could simply stop enforcing the net neutrality policy, rendering it essentially toothless. That could unleash the nation's largest cable and phone companies, including Comcast, AT&T and Verizon, to expand controversial practices like "zero-rating" that are designed to circumvent net neutrality.

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  1. Or just destroy the Net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As the missiles descend and all the major metropolitan areas are bathed in nuclear hellfire, the neutrality of the Net will cease to be a concern as the former infrastructure drifts across the land in a radioactive cloud.

  2. in short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Republican billionaire will likely seek to roll back hard-won consumer protections PERIOD.

    FTFY

    1. Re:in short by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump is a business man, those other business men are his competitors not his friends. At that end of town there are no friends just acquaintances and temporary partnerships. Reality is, for Trump business ventures Net Neutrality is a huge plus and as such it would be really dumb to cripple his and his families future business interests. We have seen the corruption, only 0.0001 percent of business profit with an absence of net neutrality, where as 99.999 percent of business profit with net neutrality. Smart business choice is net neutrality is good for the majority of business and only a tiny handful of business profit from it absence.

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    2. Re:in short by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      So that man *is* beholden to businesses! His own? Except, he'll make all the right policy decisions because his businesses are well meaning competitors who like to fight fair, not the wrong policies decisions that career politicians do for big businesses?

      The mental gymnastics are impressive. I'm investing in straws.

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    3. Re:in short by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      Trump is a business man

      So are most of the Republicans in Congress.

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    4. Re:in short by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      No most Republicans and Democrats are professional politicians and pretty much failed business people. If you are not a career politician the only useful serving your own business interests at the expense of all other business interests. Trump does himself and his family no favours by further competitors interests against his own, from his point of view fuck em, better to remembered well, whilst furthering his own interests, as a developer. Developers need stable well governed economies to profit, without they go bankrupt. The need controlled financial institutions and no spending on war and lots and lots of spending on infrastructure. You are saying Trump will cripple his families construction development business to favour others, that is just nuts, Trump will pork barrel but it will most definitely favour construction development. Wakeup the rich have no friends and their greatest competitors and their greatest threats are each other.

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    5. Re:in short by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The "good for business" argument just doesn't work.
      As an example, Rupert Murdoch has been far more successful in business than Trump has ever been and has been fighting against net neutrality at every step because he thinks he can make a lot of money being a gatekeeper to parts of the internet (as well as thinking that the internet cuts into his cable tv profits).

    6. Re:in short by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Calm down, do some bong hits, and for the love of pete, take that course where they tell you how to use the shift keys.

    7. Re:in short by Altrag · · Score: 1

      GP never suggested that he was trying to do the right thing. Just that in this one particular case, it just so happens that what's good for Trump's business also happens to be good for the public (assuming you trust in GP's underlying assumption about it being good for Trump's business of course.)

      Businesses aren't inherently evil which seems to be your assertion. They do what's in their interests and sometimes that happens to coincide with the public interest, and sometimes it doesn't. Of course that concept seems to go over the head of most Americans who either think business = capitalism = 100% pure good or business = "the corporations" = 100% pure evil. As with most things in life, very rarely does reality lie at either extreme.

    8. Re:in short by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How would Trump, a guy who specialises in exclusive, high price products benefit from net neutrality? He has spend considerable time and money trying to make sure his products aren't neutral, they are heavily biased towards people who can pay and even against minorities (as in the case of his real estate).

      Trump's mindset is the same as the ISPs - find a way to make people pay for access to everything. He is all about paying to access a certain lifestyle or property or knowledge (e.g. Trump University).

      He is also about light regulation and using markets to fix problems, allowing people to make deals rather than using the force of law to get results.

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    9. Re: in short by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      +1 irony, maybe +.2 stupidity, either way, your is an epic post and illustrates exactly why you should not be making decisions. Luckly, over 50% flyover country are not Tumper's.

    10. Re:in short by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I don't see Trump spending any time in "fly-over land" He likes to pop in and pretend, but he's not what you are pretending he is.

    11. Re:in short by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Cough, cough, cough, with war industry controlled main stream media was dead set against Donald Trump, especially after his comment about de-funding NATO (not that he could because that would be up to the congress and however that statement was enough of a threat for them to go all out against him) Trump would have lost by a massive margin without net neutrality and that is the real reality and he is smart enough to realise it. You have never seen how rich people deal with each other behind closed, the conversation is all polite and everything but they are all out to plot and scheme to their maximum personal advantage against those others in the room just like them, everything is in writing and no one takes any ones word for anything, not for a second. They all make promises they fully intend to never keep, unless of course it is in writing and they even then, they will spend fortunes with lawyers trying to tilt the contract in their favour and latter trying to break those contracts. The cohesive face they present to the public, is just another lie. Net Neutrality is good for business, very good and if that particular segment is forced to operate at very low margins, many, many other business including Trumps will make more money (so either the ISPs get extra money out of Trumps business or Trump gets cheaper services, which he can mark up and promises of cheaper prices count for shite). Make no mistake he will not provide net neutrality to serve the community, he will provide net neutrality to serve his own business interests and to protect himself from main stream media.

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  3. Trump can't do squat... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt that the Congressional Republicans can agree among themselves what they want to do with running the government. They haven't been able to do that under Obama for eight years. As a moderate conservative, I expect some bloodletting between the different factions.

    1. Re:Trump can't do squat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do you think congress has to be involved? The current net neutrality regulations were put into effect by the FCC.

    2. Re:Trump can't do squat... by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

      I doubt that the Congressional Republicans can agree among themselves what they want to do with running the government. They haven't been able to do that under Obama for eight years. As a moderate conservative, I expect some bloodletting between the different factions.

      That's true, but it hardly means "Trump can't do squat".

      Take this case: Trump can simply direct the FCC not to enforce net neutrality, the same way Obama directed the DEA not to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that chose to legalize.

      As commander-in-chief of the armed forces Trump has very direct control over what the US military does. He could, for example, just announce that he would not order them to act in accordance with the requirements of the NATO alliance treaties. Poof, NATO is basically gone, even though the US still technically has an obligation to comply. And of course we've basically given the president carte blanche to declare and prosecute wars. Congress can deny funding, eventually, but that still leaves a lot of leeway. Oh, and Trump will have The Button and there's not a damned thing anyone could do to stop him from pressing it whenever he wanted, short of Congress pre-emptively legislating that the system be dismantled (and if Trump commanded the armed forces not to comply?).

      On trade, the president can't set arbitrary tariffs, but he can arbitrarily set 15% tariffs for up to 90 days on whatever he wants, and he can just keep rotating those tariffs around. Or he could even direct the coast guard to simply stop incoming vessels and order them out of US waters. That would be a violation of international laws and trade treaties alike, but nothing could actually stop him from doing it, other than the refusal of the Coast Guard to carry the orders out. Maybe they'd stand up to him, dunno.

      I could go on. Just think about every federal agency and about what kinds of orders a president could give them, keeping in mind that while the orders can't be to do anything illegal, they can be to do anything at all that is legal, regardless of the agency's intended mission, and ordering them to simply sit on their hands is almost always legal.

      The bottom line is that our system is a presidential system, not a prime ministerial system. A president is actually not that far from a constitutional monarch in power, with the one enormous exception that it's not a lifetime job. Prime ministers are considerably more limited because they're subject to recall by parliament. Congress can have all the votes of "no confidence" it wants, the president is the president. They have to impeach him and they have to try him if they want him out... something that has never been done so there's a pretty heavy historical weight of precedent behind it. And the Republicans are *not* going to hand that sort of victory to the Democrats.

      No, Trump can do one hell of a lot, regardless of what Congress wants. I'm not saying he will, but don't think he couldn't.

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    3. Re:Trump can't do squat... by golodh · · Score: 1
      @swilden

      Oh, and Trump will have The Button and there's not a damned thing anyone could do to stop him from pressing it whenever he wanted, short of Congress pre-emptively legislating that the system be dismantled (and if Trump commanded the armed forces not to comply?).

      Fortunately you're wrong. There are checks and balances in place. Read this ... it cheered me up no end. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11...

    4. Re:Trump can't do squat... by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Trump has already promised a nuclear strike on Aleppo, and I dare say he'll do his level best to make that happen (regardless of the fact that it is about to be overrun by the Kurds).

    5. Re:Trump can't do squat... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Trump can simply direct the FCC not to enforce net neutrality, the same way Obama directed the DEA not to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that chose to legalize.

      Well, if it works equally well, then he will fail completely. The DEA didn't stop.

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    6. Re:Trump can't do squat... by swillden · · Score: 1

      @swilden

      Oh, and Trump will have The Button and there's not a damned thing anyone could do to stop him from pressing it whenever he wanted, short of Congress pre-emptively legislating that the system be dismantled (and if Trump commanded the armed forces not to comply?).

      Fortunately you're wrong. There are checks and balances in place. Read this ... it cheered me up no end. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11...

      Nothing in that contradicts what I said. Yes, the UCMJ requires the military to obey only lawful orders... but an order from the Commander in Chief that doesn't violate any article of the UCMJ is lawful, by definition (outside of the US; inside the US, US law also applies, but Posse Comitatus pretty much eliminates that issue anyway).

      Besides that, when it comes to the nuclear arsenal, you have to keep in mind that the command and control system was designed during the depth of the Cold War, and there were two overriding priorities: (1) it must not be possible to launch without proper authorization and (2) when a properly authorized person (the president being the primary such person, unless he is dead, incapacitated or incommunicado) says "launch", the missiles must fly reliably and immediately. The "reliably" part was a really big concern, because people were afraid that someone down the chain might decide they just couldn't do it, so the system is designed as much as possible to disallow anyone from interfering once the "go" order is received. The "immediately" part was also critical, because the most likely scenario requiring quick launch was a detected inbound strike, and they needed to get the response strike off before the incoming missiles struck. That also motivated the elimination of all delays and cutouts. There is simply no time for "checks and balances" when the missile have to fly within minutes.

      It is true that there are multi-layered checks, but those are all related to verifying proper authentication, not to questioning the order. The two-man rule also applies top to bottom (all the way down to the grunts at the missile site -- which I was, about 25 years ago, BTW), but that only means that the president has to put one man who will say "yes" into the right position. If the top-level command is authenticated and verified by that yes man, no one below will question.

      So, even if there were some legal restriction on it, there is no process in place for checking the legality. If the president says "fire", the missiles fly. Congress could remove him for insanity afterwards, sure.

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    7. Re:Trump can't do squat... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Trump can simply direct the FCC not to enforce net neutrality, the same way Obama directed the DEA not to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that chose to legalize.

      Well, if it works equally well, then he will fail completely. The DEA didn't stop.

      Cite? I know of no DEA actions in Colorado against marijuana growers, sellers or users, for example. (I lived there when it was legalized).

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    8. Re:Trump can't do squat... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Cite? I know of no DEA actions in Colorado against marijuana growers, sellers or users, for example. (I lived there when it was legalized).

      The DEA is involved in literally every big bust in America. They provide at minimum information and logistics support. Instead of a whole bunch of feds showing up, one fed shows up with a bunch of local cops. If you think the DEA wasn't involved in some big bust you heard about because the paper said it was the local cops, guess what? Sucker.

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    9. Re:Trump can't do squat... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Take this case: Trump can simply direct the FCC not to enforce net neutrality, the same way Obama directed the DEA not to enforce federal marijuana laws in states that chose to legalize.

      I am so tired of Obama's lies being regurgitated as truth. I can only imagine what the next four years are going to be like from the other side.

      And, in case you're wondering, the DEA has been merrily harassing legal marijuana growers even after Obama pretended to tell them to do otherwise. He's the executive. All he had to do was say "You *will* quit enforcing federal marijuana laws in states where it is legal or you will be fired and possibly prosecuted under federal statute (honest services fraud would fit)" and then followed it up. There are plenty of news stories so it wasn't like nobody knew who the agents and offices were that did it. But he did nothing about it.

      And in case you're too lazy to use Google:

      https://cannabisnow.com/breaki...

      The Republican congress actually cut the DEA's funding and told them they could no longer raid dispensaries in states where marijuana is legal (note: the Republican congress did this as a matter of law, the President signed the law that they wrote):

      http://www.medscape.com/viewar...

      That was two years ago. The article I linked to above is earlier this year. That means that the agents who raided the place may have directly broke federal law.

      The medscape article repeats the lie that "Before this law, the Justice Department could shut down dispensaries that states legally opened, although under the Obama Administration the department had kept its distance."

    10. Re:Trump can't do squat... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Cite? I know of no DEA actions in Colorado against marijuana growers, sellers or users, for example. (I lived there when it was legalized).

      The DEA is involved in literally every big bust in America. They provide at minimum information and logistics support. Instead of a whole bunch of feds showing up, one fed shows up with a bunch of local cops. If you think the DEA wasn't involved in some big bust you heard about because the paper said it was the local cops, guess what? Sucker.

      There weren't any marijuana busts after the referendum passed, big or small. Local cops definitely couldn't have been claiming credit because while the DEA still had a legal basis for arresting people over weed, the local cops didn't.

      WTF are you talking about?

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    11. Re:Trump can't do squat... by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      No, Trump can do one hell of a lot, regardless of what Congress wants. I'm not saying he will, but don't think he couldn't.

      You're right, the President is called "most powerful man in the world" for a very good reason. However, that's why our government is structured the way it is. We have Congress that has to approve many of those actions, such as the annual budget or officially declare war. We also have the Judicial branch making sure laws are being followed. The system is designed to limit each branches power through those checks and balances.As broken as it is, it's still better than many other styles of government.

      Another thing to keep in mind is every presidential candidate has made a whole bunch of promises that can't keep. Why? Because they don't yet fully understand the weight of the office until they've sat there. The firehose of information from the F.B.I., C.I.A., D.O.E., and all other three-letter agencies alone is enough to make a persons head explode. Then to take that information and maintain some semblance of peace with other countries, or even peace within our country, takes someone incredibly socially savvy. I fully expect many of those promises made under the guise of "Make America Great Again" won't happen and will be quietly forgotten.

      Oh, and if Trump were to be impeached, Pence would be President. There would be no "handing off" to the Democrats. Though that may happen in 4 years if Trump is enough of a nightmare.

    12. Re:Trump can't do squat... by swillden · · Score: 1

      So your proof is an example of a DEA raid on an operation that was deemed illegal by the state supreme court? Huh?

      Show me a case where the DEA raided an operation that was fully legal according to the state.

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    13. Re:Trump can't do squat... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      As I said, if you can't be bothered to use google I'm not going to help you. I would recommend you read this:

      https://www.greenrushdaily.com...

      The quote from Obama (which people like you don't understand):

      "What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana. I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana—and the reason is because it’s against federal law."

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Here's more information on the raid that is 404'd in the huffpo:

      http://articles.latimes.com/20...

    14. Re:Trump can't do squat... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Kurds are nowhere near Aleppo, and unlike the Arabs, don't have territorial ambitions. It's why coalition forces couldn't use them in assaults against Raqqa, which is outside their coverage. As far as Trump and Aleppo go, he's perfectly fine letting the Russians and Syrians retake Aleppo, since we have no idea who the rebels are. Actually, we do - they are Jihadists, just not ISIS Jihadists.

    15. Re:Trump can't do squat... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      One of them is nowhere near the other - the only thing common to them is them both being in Syria

  4. What is this... by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "surveyed by Motherboard " is all I needed to hear. This is through-and-through FUD. To best of my knowledge Trump is rather anti-media, and all big players that would benefit from NN repeal are also happen to be media.

    1. Re:What is this... by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're right - and it's a click-bait headline that I fell for. Shame on all of us who clicked.

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    2. Re:What is this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To best of my knowledge Trump is rather anti-media, and all big players that would benefit from NN repeal are also happen to be media.

      Right. Because Donald Trump has never expressed contradictory positions before.

    3. Re:What is this... by nnull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite tired of these click bait slashdot articles. Now it's all about Trump will destroy this and that. Trump will destroy humanity. Trump isn't even in the Whitehouse yet and already people are speculating how the world is going to end.

    4. Re:What is this... by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Based on past performance, the more slack we cut him, the more rope he has to hang everyone. So many business catastrophes, this one is the most interesting imo:
      http://www.esquire.com/news-po...

      But the theme is usually same: media genius pumps up something until it pops. Not that the US can't do bubbles without his help, but I'm seeing yuge, really yuge ones. But anyway I'm hopeful the US will do really well for a while, then I'll sell.

    5. Re:What is this... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Right. Because Donald Trump has never expressed contradictory positions before.

      On the media? Not so much. He made a sport of vilifying them throughout his entire campaign. He called them the worst scum of the earth, threatened to pass laws to make it easier to sue them, mocked and insulted numerous reporters, and so on.

      In a nutshell, he told everyone to listen to him, not them. And if we put our fingers in our ears and go "la la la la la" whenever the media tries to point out his "contradictory positions" he effectively makes himself immune to criticism and accountability.

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    6. Re:What is this... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's just Reagan all over again, for a new generation.

      I and a lot of others were there for the earlier hysteria.

      Let the kids have their fun. They'll grow out of it.

    7. Re:What is this... by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      I didn't hear him villifying Breitbart.com. Might be because of this.

      I wonder which news site Trumps supporters were going to to confirm the things Donald was saying were truthful?

    8. Re:What is this... by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      I especially like the part about how he is against the Time Warner / AT&T merger. People (especially on slashdot) have been railing against the lack of competition in both the telecom industry and the media. We've gone from 50 media outlets to 6, many places don't have choice of broadband provides. Some people on here has even gone so far as call for breaking up some of these big conglomerate. No one I know things this merger is good for consumers.

      But now that Trump is agreeing with us it's suddenly a bad thing?

      I like some of the stuff Vice does. But Motherboard is just trash through and through.

    9. Re:What is this... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      And how did the Reagan years end? Or what followed? The end of the Soviet Union. If we are lucky, Trump should bring about the end of Islam, as we know it

  5. What's wrong with blocking AT&T - Time Warner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not understanding how blocking the proposed takeover between AT&T and Time Warner would hurt net neutrality. It seems to me that blocking that (a deal between a telecom and content producer) would help net neutrality.

  6. Afraid of your own shadows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He hasn't even been sworn in yet, but the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching has gone to DEFCON 5 already...

    1. Re:Afraid of your own shadows? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      sworn in or not, we know the face of a moron when we see and hear him speak.

      I know all I need to know about him, and I don't even watch the news anymore.

      is it treason to wish to be invaded so that someone ELSE can rule over us?

      please, someone, invade us. take us over. we can't rule ourselves anymore, this much is clear.

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    2. Re:Afraid of your own shadows? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Take ANOTHER bong hit. This time, hold it in longer.

  7. Re:Four years of stupidity by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

    Not a Trump supporter, but I'll start. From the summary:

    Trump's ignorance about tech and telecom policy was on full display throughout the election season.

    I guess this is supposed to be weighed against Clinton's tech acumen - "Like with a cloth?"

  8. Re:Stop this stupid @ss sh*t by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    We've had a good year to get used to Trump and listen to his promises about what to do when he's elected.

  9. Re:for the love of humanity, STOP by coolmoe2 · · Score: 2

    Ill tell you what the dems should work with trump the way the GOP worked with Obama. Fair is fair right?

  10. Netflix protection... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Messing with TV service
    Yeah, the reaction from the blue collar people who elected him into office would be very bad.

  11. Re:Four years of stupidity by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    Trump's ignorance about tech and telecom policy was on full display throughout the election season.

    I guess this is supposed to be weighed against Clinton's tech acumen - "Like with a cloth?"

    Clinton did not know how to use a desktop computer

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  12. Re:Stop this stupid @ss sh*t by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

    Projections like this aren't helpful at all. He hasn't even taken office yet and people are trying to do their best to destroy him. Nice of you.

    If Trump says so much stupid shit his staff took away your twitter access then 'people' don't really have to do much to destroy him other than listen up and repeat the stupid shit the man said.

  13. Please just stop! by bob4u2c · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sky isn't falling, the four horsemen aren't riding across the moors, just give it a fricking rest!

    What happened to News for Nerds? Is it now Fear for Nerds?

    Maybe we just need to start a "What Trump COULD do" thread and let the rest of us get on with life.

    1. Re:Please just stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eliminating net neutrality isn't news for nerds?

    2. Re:Please just stop! by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      It hasn't been eliminated. He is not in office yet nor has he approached congress with any legislation requests for this.

      The what-if articles get redundant after a while. Fortuneteller, the frequency they are coming out makes it very easy to see them for what they are.

    3. Re:Please just stop! by dywolf · · Score: 1

      the four horsemen have to be confirmed by the senate first.
      they are:

      -Attorney General: Rudy Guiliani

      -Secretary of Defense: Chris Christie

      -Dept of Homeland Security: the crazy sheriff from milwaulkie who thinks racism doesnt exist unless it comes from blacks (btw...he's black), and that BLM is an ISIS sleeper cell

      -Secretary of State: Sarah Palin

      sleep tight america.

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    4. Re:Please just stop! by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      The sky isn't falling, the four horsemen aren't riding across the moors, just give it a fricking rest!

      I thought it was three horsemen, not four. [citation needed]

  14. Donald Trumph, America's first sociopath president by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Funny

    As the Beaverton reports:
    "Donald Trumph, America's first sociopath president"
    "Is this America's 9/11?"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    Canadian humour

  15. Predictions brought to you by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These predictions brought to you buy the same types of people who swore Trump wouldn't be the Republican nominee, and wouldn't be elected president. So take them with a grain of salt: everyone has been completely wrong about Trump so far regarding every material prediction.

    If net neutrality would last exactly until a Republican gets in office... I mean, did you think there would never again be a Republican in office? Like, ever?

    Valuable takeaways from the summary include:
      "It's unclear whom Trump might nominate to lead the FCC"
    and
      "Trump blithely compared net neutrality to the FCC's old Fairness Doctrine"

    It's reasonable and probable that Trump has barely thought about the issue.

    1. Re:Predictions brought to you by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      "Trump blithely compared net neutrality to the FCC's old Fairness Doctrine"

      Actually, Trump wasn't complete wrong about that.

      Net neutrality is about "open, unfettered access to the internet". The Fairness Doctrine was about unfettered access to differing political opinions.

      The problem is that he opposes both.

    2. Re:Predictions brought to you by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's reasonable and probable that Trump has barely thought about the issue.

      Irrelevant. The most important thing the president does is make appointments. He's going to get to appoint a supreme and he's also going to get to decide who's going to run the FCC. BOHICA!

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  16. Solution by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    The internet needs to be forked for the purposes of non-profit, non-competitive use.

    1. Re:Solution by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      The internet needs to be forked for the purposes of non-profit, non-competitive use.

      Feel free to spend a couple hundred billion $$ on the infrastructure for that.

    2. Re:Solution by Altrag · · Score: 1

      They have: . Primarily designed by and for research institutions.

      Of course, its not just arbitrarily available to the general public because well, guess who are also members of the general public? For-profit, competitive business owners (and their businesses.)

  17. Every "news" article that begins with "How" by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every "news" article that begins with "How" is a puff piece, and I refuse to read any of them, including this one.

    1. Re:Every "news" article that begins with "How" by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Every "news" article that begins with "How" is a puff piece, and I refuse to read any of them, including this one.

      Ba-a-a-a-a-a!

  18. Not net neutrality by aglider · · Score: 1

    Among all the things Trump can screw up, net neutrality is not the first one.

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  19. Disclaimer by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wish stories like this included a disclaimer. No one on the planet is opposed to network neutrality. Lots and lots of us are opposed to Network Neutrality, Inc.(TM) - a government overreach brought to you by corporate sponsors to use against their corporate opponents and customers which may or may not involve networks and certainly contains no neutrality.

    Part of the reason we all hate the media so much is that they tend to switch back and forth between the concept and the instance in an intentionally deceptive way. Please, slashdot editors, for each story like this, insist that the submitter pick a meaning, tell us which, and stick to it.

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    1. Re:Disclaimer by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I wish stories like this included a disclaimer. No one on the planet is opposed to network neutrality. Lots and lots of us are opposed to Network Neutrality, Inc.(TM) - a government overreach brought to you by corporate sponsors to use against their corporate opponents and customers which may or may not involve networks and certainly contains no neutrality.

      Part of the reason we all hate the media so much is that they tend to switch back and forth between the concept and the instance in an intentionally deceptive way. Please, slashdot editors, for each story like this, insist that the submitter pick a meaning, tell us which, and stick to it.

      Came here to say exactly that, thank you.

      When the politicians talk about "Net Neutrality" they're talking about a set of laws that may or may not have anything to do with what nerds/geeks here think when the term "net neutrality" is used. Remember the PATRIOT Act? How little "patriotism" was actually in it? Same deal here.

      Being opposed to "Net Neutrality" the FCC Act/mandate/policy is not the same as being opposed to net neutrality the concept. One can be for the latter while opposed to the former and still remain ideologically/intellectually consistent as they are not interchangeable.

      Strat

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    2. Re:Disclaimer by Altrag · · Score: 1

      government overreach

      So you prefer a world where Comcast essentially won't let your business operate unless you pay them a $1000/mo (for the lowest tier) "fast lane" fee? Or where bittorrent is just flat out banned not because of any illegal activities on it, but simply because AT&T decided that it was using too much bandwidth so fuck it?

      And I can already hear the cries of "but but competition fixes everything!" Yeah. Sure. When there is any. But a large portion of the country is limited to exactly one provider. And even when there's two, they're often colluding. You don't see much real competition until there's a half dozen or so providers, and that's pretty rare even in the big cities.

      Yes the government answers to people they probably shouldn't, and yes they get things wrong plenty often. But its been shown time and time and time again that when left to their own devices, businesses will happily fuck over their customers, people who aren't their customers and even their future selves in order to boost their quarterly earnings by half a percent.

      And "self-regulation" just doesn't happen except in the case where there's a real threat of government regulation if the industry in question doesn't clean their act up. Sometimes that works out, often times it just leads to them being sneakier and proper regulations have to be put in place a few years later anyway.

  20. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The GOP platform specifically states that it is against net neutrality

  21. Re:Why would he want to destroy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Freedom of the internet

    FOR HIM

    is one of the things that got him elected.

    he does not care about anyone else

  22. I need a quick recap on Why FCC by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Why was Net Neutrality considered an FCC/executive issue in the first place, instead of a problem for Congress? Was it just because the FCC was more responsive and Congress was dragging their feet, or is there some more principled justification?

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    1. Re:I need a quick recap on Why FCC by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Because Congress was never going to get it done. Not saying "because of the Republicans"... well, yes I am.
      http://time.com/3741085/net-ne...
      https://techcrunch.com/2015/04...

    2. Re:I need a quick recap on Why FCC by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Because they couldn't get the government to regulate the Internet as they wanted to via the normal democratic process using the people's elected representatives, so they did an end-run and got the Dems on the FCC to do it instead.

      Now that the people have gotten around to electing a President on an explicit platform of overturning the FCC's actions and he gets to pick the commissioners, there is speculation their end-run won't last very long.

      You can apply this same logic also to many of Obama's executive actions, where they basically said Congress doesn't want this to happen, but we'll just ignore the intent of the law and subvert the letter for a different outcome. The problem with that approach is that with a new President and cabinet and agency heads can come a complete reversal.

      Assuming they keep their word and repeal Obamacare (and they can use the non-filibuster budget process.. heck, even "deem" it passed in the House if they want...), then what is left of Obama's legacy? A bunch of screwed up middle-eastern countries....

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  23. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amazing how easy it is to get hens to vote for foxes these days. Just point out some connection, any sort, no matter how tenuous, between a candidate you want to defeat and some unpopular entity, and you can write off their entire voting record no matter how long it is. So we can write off that Clinton has always been one of the leading sponsors of net neutrality, including being a cosponsor of the Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 1996 and having voted for every net neutrality bill while she was a Senator.

    No, just point out that Viacom donated money to an international charity that her husband founded and which she does not work for, and all of the sudden, forget about how she actually, consistently voted - instead, vote for the guy who literally promises to overturn net neutrality.

    I wish it was just this one issue, but the whole campaign has been like this on virtually every issue.

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  24. Christ! Who cares anymore? Leave Trump out of it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    There will never be any net 'neutrality' until we can work around the ISP problem with real ad hoc P2P networking.

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  25. Re:Oh shit moment by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He had this "Oh Shit! What Have I gotten myself into." look on his face.

    I hope so.

    I don't have to live in America, but I do have to share the world with the rest of you, and I'm not looking forward to your guy nihilistically firebombing it. If he comes to the decision to simply listen to the rest of the Republican party and puts in place standard conservative policies ... hey, another George Bush, we survived the last one. If he starts tearing down every major international institution on economics and security alliances? The potential chaos is almost unlimited.

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  26. Re:Four years of stupidity by SirSlud · · Score: 1

    Who are you speaking to about foreign policy, Trump?

    "‘I’m speaking with myself, I have a very good brain’." - Trump

    Between who would hire experts to make proper decisions and who thinks he knows the things he doesn't know, I know who I'd side with.

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  27. Could? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    You keep using that word, I don't think you know what that means.

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  28. unfortunately have to give something up. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a presidential candidate that was :
    Tech Savvy.
    Pro-environment.
    Pro-life.
    Pro-small business anti-multinational conglomerate.
    Pro-states rights
    Pro-immigration and Pro-immigrant.
    Anti-torcher , Anti-war. Pro-military, pro-police, pro-civil rights, pro-black lives matter.
    Not Anti-Muslim just anti-terrorist.
    And willing to stop shoving all kinds of liberals or conservative agenda's down the throats of people who don't want them.

    But the democrats didn't give me that one nor the republicans so I had to pick someone less then optimal. The internet won't be destroyed, maybe less useful, or useful in different ways. Still a few of the things on that list ranked as more important then net neutrality to me.

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  29. Re:Four years of stupidity by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    I guess this is supposed to be weighed against Clinton's tech acumen - "Like with a cloth?"

    Tech *policy* acumen. We need them to understand net neutrality, not IT drudgery.

  30. Trump could ... by jxander · · Score: 1

    Trump could destroy Net Neutrality.
    Trump could invite Obama and Putin on a "The Bachelor" style third-wheel date
    Trump could drop trou during his inauguration and moon the nation

    Trump could do a lot of things ... but I wouldn't count on any of the things I listed.

    First off, it wasn't an Obama thing, it was an FCC thing. So his decree to erase Obama's legacy won't matter here. Secondly, Trump is smart. Scary smart. Or he has some ridiculously smart advisors to whom he pays very close attention. His entire run was by the book. "Which book," you ask ... the book. Sun Tsu: Art of War (note, this post was made 8 months ago.) All that stupidity, all the sound bites ("mexican rapists"), all the vague promises ("Make America great again") ... it was all 100% intentional and by design.

    "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." -Mahatma Gandhi

    That said, Trump and/or his advisors are smart enough to know that killing Net Neutrality doesn't really get them anywhere. He didn't make any promises regarding it, so there's no reason for him to focus any attention there. And really, he's going to have his hands full building a wall and repealing health care. Comcast v Netflix is small potatoes that won't even register on his radar.

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    1. Re:Trump could ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Trump is smart. Scary smart. Or he has some ridiculously smart advisors to whom he pays very close attention

      No he just talks a good "game" and treats everything like a game.
      He's going to play with the country like a cat does with a lizard.
      Bankrupting the USA and defaulting on the debts to the banks of other countries like a third world Dictator is now a real possibility instead of being interesting science fiction. Don't look at the Party he has attached himself to, look at the man - he could be our Chavez only without the oil profits to keep the wolf from the door.

  31. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since when did Trump start cheerleading for the GOP platform? He may cherry pick and agree with a few items but he is certainly not beholden to the GOP.

    Until this election a Presidential candidate needed the full support of his or her party. Trump was elected without any appreciable support from the GOP. There may have been a couple of supporters but even they jumped from insulting Trump one week and then claiming he is not really that bad the following week.

    Trump is the first Independent President since the founding of the country. He could be bad or good but he has already did something no other politician has been able to and that is sideline both major parties. All the big money Clinton supporters will be getting no ROI this time. All the big money GOP supporters wasted all their money on other GOP candidates in the primaries.
    The mainstream media folks also over played their hand during the election. The level of bias they demonstrated was breath taking. If they think Trump was belligerent to the Press during the campaign they have not seen nothing yet. He has already broken with tradition and refused to allow the press to travel with him on his first trip to meet with Obama. The mainstream media has been effectively sidelined just like the two political parties.

    He has already created a new reality where the entrenched and traditional power brokers in the US government just got kicked in the balls and are laying on the ground trying to catch their collective breath. Now we need to see if all the losers in this election start working to re-invent themselves and try to understand why they lost.

    Electing Trump is like letting the fox into the henhouse commonly known as Congress. Feathers and blood may fly but those worthless and spineless morons deserve every bit of grief Trump throws at them.

  32. Join his team and help him do it right... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    ... https://www.greatagain.gov/ser... This is a breath of fresh air if real. Anyone know this was coming? Trump's gotta know this will get FOIA'd eventually to see who he did or didn't hire. Dude's got balls.

    anybody need a job...?

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    1. Re:Join his team and help him do it right... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      He definitely knows... the bottom of the page says "One should assume that all of the information provided during this process is ultimately subject to public disclosure, if requested under the Freedom of Information Act."

  33. He's already doing it! by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Just look at the posted quote! Trump is so evil he's already destroyed Motherboard's ability to use paragraph breaks. That bastard! Will have to add this to the list of reasons to burn things in the street this Saturday night.

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  34. Re:Donald Trumph, America's first sociopath presid by quenda · · Score: 1

    All funny and true ...

    except the "first sociopath" part . Come on ... L.B.J., Theodore Roosevelt, probably Kennedy and lots more.
    They're not all bad.

  35. Re:What's wrong with blocking AT&T - Time Warn by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Yeah - and I thought we (general audience on slashdot) wanted that deal blocked.

    It's strange seeing my liberal brethren suddenly want a larger more powerful corporation - and ATT no less!

  36. Is Trump the ultimate Manchurian Candidate? by quax · · Score: 1

    This is just speculation, but not completely unfounded given that we know that Trump used to espouse much more liberal views in the past, and the fact that he was tricked into accepting Pence as VP - also given what is now confirmed about the Russian influence.

    A well informed acquaintance of mine thinks Trump is under duress, make of it what you wish:

    Well it is speculation. But there was quite a change politically about five years ago as specified by that informant. And I can't explain the look in his eyes sometimes. He just looks terrified. Like, I don't really want to be here, terrified. And something odd. When he went off about "Mexican rapists" and then tried to qualify that with that awkward "and I'm sure some of them are good people" that was almost like he was reluctant to say what he had just said about them. I was sort of bizarre. And he never did that again. Gestapo spank. I just don't think he controls anything. Who picked his VP? Bannon. And the first appearance trump had with him was just bizarre. Almost like he had no say in it. By all accounts he was tricked by Bannon into even meeting with him. And this was the guy he had foisted off on him because it would bring in the Evangelical vote and when exactly has the Trump Monster been even remotely religious? Or actually bought into their point of view. A Kremlin diplomat today finally admitted that they had been in contact with the trump campaign during the campaign.

    Why? According to reports, Bannon has actually been running his campaign from day one. Behind the scenes. Why? Why wasn't he openly running the campaign and why was Manafort the front man?
    To me, there is a direct connection from Putin, to Manafort to Bannon. Maybe they do have something on him and it would ruin him. I don' know, he really just doesn't seem to be actually enjoying himself or give the air of any real commitment to what his doing or be really in charge of anything. I think it is the Bannon/Pence administration and he is just the card board cut out they need to reassure the public. And quite often, I swear to God, he has this weird terrified, unhappy look in his eyes.

  37. Re:for the love of humanity, STOP by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    You want them to do what they said the republicans should not have been doing?

    It would show them as even more hypocrites than they already are. Alternatively, it would justify what the republicans did.

    And - outside of SCOTUS - they barely slowed Obama down. He just switched to executive orders. That said, it will make it easier for Trump to reverse what Obama did since he won't need congress to undo an executive order.

  38. Re:Why would he want to destroy it by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    True - otherwise the narrative would have just been what the mainstream media set - which has been demonstrated by wikileaks to be controlled (or at least heavily influenced) by the Clintons.

  39. She also voted for many pro-copyright bills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some of which overran any net neutrality features that might otherwise have benefitted consumers.

    Between the two Trump is an uncertainty. Clinton has a congressional voting record to answer for. The point is neither was a good option and now we've gotten the candidate who is percieved as worse but is unknown enough that he *COULD* be better. Sort of a schroedinger's cat of negativity. He'll probably be bad, but we can't be certain until he's sworn in as president. Clinton was more like a previously observed cat whose state was known.

    1. Re:She also voted for many pro-copyright bills. by Gussington · · Score: 1

      but is unknown enough that he *COULD* be better.

      In the same way, that betting on black 10 times in a row *COULD* make you rich? Gambling with the future of your country like this seems extremely irresponsible to me, but hey I'm not American...

    2. Re:She also voted for many pro-copyright bills. by pnutjam · · Score: 1, Insightful

      America just bought a 4 year scratch off ticket, the problem is those don't usually win.

  40. Re:Why would he want to destroy it by multi+io · · Score: 1

    Why would he want to destroy it. Freedom of the internet is one of the things that got him elected.

    Democracy got H*tler elected. So surely he's going to defend it. :P

  41. Innovation by galabar · · Score: 1

    I'd much rather see innovation instead of government regulation. I didn't vote for President Trump. However, on this issue, I hope we can be a bit more flexible in what ISPs and various information providers can do.

  42. trump Inc. by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

    Every other national politician has come up through the ranks and is driven by a quest for Power to control Policy. trump never has cared about policy unless it directly affected his plans. In older, pre 2016 interviews he would answer policy question without thought and tended towards what he likely heard on the NYC TV news - mildly liberal. He does not have a policy bone in his body. He really does not care about policy or politics. Like every other con man he sells you what ever you want. He is a narcissist who is driven to make money to be a bigger man. I believe the reason he ran for the presidency is to make money. To a great extent, the President and VP are exempt from most conflict of interest laws. Trump is not putting his wealth into a trust lake every other present has done for decades. It is perfectly legal for him to propose having the federal government buy the block across from trump tower, tear down what is there and put in a national park to increase the value of his tower. There is noting illegal from trump threatening republican congressional leadership with putting Elizabeth Warren on the supreme court unless they build such a park for him. Let me take a flyer and say that trump's plan is to use the presidency to become the first trillionaire bythe end of his first term. That means he has to make $684,931,506 per day. That is a lot of money to shake the county down in a day, but heck he is a hard worker. This guy is going to be like Silvio Berlusconi on a yuge dose of steroids. There is the whole social security trust fund that can be channeled into a new trump security investment company, because who would be smarter to mange the money??? I do think the republicans in congress will get their way with policy as they have leverage, but so does trump to get paid for every bill they want signed. I fear that in four years we will have an empty treasury and and caveman republican policies with supreme court seat sold to the highest bidders. Want a supreme that likes patents, no problem, just make the highest bid.

  43. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I console myself with thoughts of Schadenfreude. Because the idiots, deplorables, racists, etc. who voted for Trump are precisely the ones he will likely betray. Tax cuts to the rich, taking away healthcare for the poor, running up deficits, they are the ones who will fare the worst, and they deserve it.

    How white average Joes think someone as truly corrupt as Trump (tax shenanigans, real estate dealings, non-payment to workers/contractors, Trump U) will help them just goes to show how plain STUPID they are. I hope they continue killing themselves with drugs or suicide, they deserve to be wiped out.

    Trump is going to be like Bush, claim to be for the everyday person to get the presidency, forget it once he becomes president, feel overwhelmed with actually governing and hand over the reins to unscrupulous handlers, and do one monumentally stupid thing during his term. Bush's was Iraq, Trump probably won't attack another country, but probably will get hoodwinked by Russia or China into doing something stupid.

  44. Re: Hillary wanted to destroy it, not Trump by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both may as well be true if every third article posted to slashdot for the next four years just talks about how America sucks now because...the president

    Seriously? The big news in tech for the next few weeks is "what is Trump going to do about issue X in tech" and you expect slashdot to ignore it?
    There are other stories to read and comment on.

  45. Re:for the love of humanity, STOP by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    no, dems should not work with republicans.

    dish out some of what they have been doing and see if they like the taste.

    gridlock is our only savior at this point.

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  46. Re:Donald Trumph, America's first sociopath presid by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Those you mentioned seriously fucked some things up - faking an attack to drag the USA into a petty French colonial war, getting taken hook line and sinker by Stalin at Yalta and the incredibly fucking stupid brinkmanship that resulted in the Cuba missile crisis.

  47. Re:Oh shit moment by HanzoSpam · · Score: 1

    Look, we need a president that can run the death-camps like a business!

    Hail God Emporor Trump!

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  48. Hysterical Liberals Please Note by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    If you are hysterical over the election, please keep your mod points to yourself. Your personal feelings do not change the facts in this post.

    No candidate is perfect, no president is perfect. Trump was not my first or even second choice. He is not a politician and he does not have much of an internal filter. That said, the hysteria on the left is ridiculous. People need to realize that he is only 1/3 of the government, he has no more power that Obama took and used with his phone and his pen. As long as you are not actively breaking any laws, you will be fine. If you are breaking laws, well, you have made that choice. (Criminals are ~5x more likely to be Democrat than Republican, which makes sense seeing Dems want criminals to be treated as if they are ill or at worst just made a mistake, whereas Republicans want to protect society from criminals, and if that means a long drop at the end of a short rope, thems the brakes for the criminal.)

    We who did not vote for Obama have suffered through 8 years of his mismanagement and assaults on our constitutional rights. He has repeatedly attempted to infringe on 1st amendment free speech, and the 2nd amendment. The middle east is on fire, ISIS is on the rise, Europe is being invaded, the country is bankrupt with $19,190,000,000 in debt ($10.6T when Obama took office, but he called Bush un-American after Bush incurred $5.8T due in large part to 9-11 and the subsequent war on terror). Obama the dove was one bloodthirsty president, he has killed 3,491 people abroad by direct order using drone strikes.

    Domestically there are 42% more people on food stamps than when Obama took office, home ownership is as low as it was in the 70's, we have the lowest labor participation rate (real unemployment) in 38 years (94,044,000 people not working). 1 in 5 households have no one working (just think about that for a minute)! Welfare enrollment is up 30% under Obama as well. Obamacare has turned out to be a colossal lie and everyone now knows that it is a massive indirect tax on the middle class to give insurance to the non-productive/uneducated/economically unproductive class in exchange for votes.

    Bush inherited the war on terror from Clinton and Bush dealt with the 9-11 economic impact and took the fight to the terrorists. He did not blame Clinton and whine like a 4 year old.

    Obama inherited the housing market crisis and a pacified, free Iraq and Afghanistan from Bush. Obama blamed Bush for 8 years, he took the real solution that had been crafted to deal with the housing market crisis (the government was going to buy up distressed properties in foreclosure and then slowly re-sell or rent them out to the residents as the housing market improved, which would have recouped most of the money laid out by the taxpayer). Instead Obama pissed it away on corporate give aways to his cronies (Solyndra/Tesla/NRG/etc. 75% of all stimulus money went to Obama supporters) which left the housing crisis largely un-solved and 5 years later had created zero new jobs directly from the stimulus. Obama compounded our economic problems with Obamacare, more environmental regulations, and the destruction of our coal industry. Obama left Iraq for political reasons, and EXACTLY what Bush said would happen in the power vacuum happened. Obama created ISIS and now we have over 4000 troops back in Iraq and Syria and ISIS has spread to 40 countries. Obama has presided over the weakest economic recovery since the great depression. Median household income is down thousands of dollars since Obama took office.

    We on the other side have had a pretty bumpy 8 years, so suck it up, act like an adult and judge your new president by his actions and the new jobs that will likely be coming your way. Trump may truly want to improve the country for everyone, give him the chance to show you one way or the other before you become apoplectic.

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  49. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...forget about how she actually, consistently voted - instead, vote for the guy who literally promises to overturn net neutrality.

    I wish it was just this one issue, but the whole campaign has been like this on virtually every issue.

    Similarly people wanted the benefits of Obamacare, such as subsidies, no lifetime caps, must accept everyone, no insane prices if your sickly, etc, etc. I know my father had heart then lung problems for the last probably twenty years of his life. Our health insurance was insanely expensive, and you just had to pay it or you would probably not get it again. Now that will probably be back. As far as my own health insurance goes, the impact is likely none, since my company provides it.

    The Trump voters who hated Obamacare seem to be one of two groups. The first were mainly just the deadbeats. They hated it because they now had to pay for insurance or get a fine, and it wasn't even a big fine. I'm embarrassed to say that I have a half sister like this. She just uses emergency rooms and stiffs them on the bill. The second group was the one that acted shocked at the premium increases. People from the first group decided that the fine wasn't high enough, so they were not going to contribute and the hell with the consequences, hence the risk pool was smaller, hence the fees went up. They forget that before Obamacare fees also went up every year like clockwork. I suppose you could add a third if you add the low IQ trolls who believe it is the worst thing since malaria just because of frequent lies used in talking points and fake news stories, but you gotta write them off and hope they don't reproduce.

    Selling across state lines is no magic cure either. States establish minimum standards which Obamacare also mandated. Sure people will be able to buy junk policies again, and worse they will be able to buy policies that are probably little better than toilet paper. Said people will love and treasure their wonderful and super cheap health insurance, right up until they get sick then go bankrupt. At this point I have no sympathy for those people, unless they voted against Trump. If they voted for Trump, get sick, and go bankrupt, well they deserve it.

    Actions have consequences, and it is past time our policies reflect that. Those who can afford health insurance but instead waste the money on crap, and then stick us ultimately with the bill are leeches on society, and I suspect a great many of them were Trump voters. I'm not even sure hospitals should be forced to pay in those cases. In fact, if they were to just remove the fine on Obamacare, but also remove your right to emergency room care for failing to pay said fine, then that would seem fair to me, or at least fairer.

    Another action that has consequences is the love of tax cuts. The ones in Bush's era ballooned the deficit under Obama. Now the ones in Trump's era will balloon the deficit even farther. If I had a kid, I'd be worried. Fortunately it just doesn't matter to me. As a software engineer, Canada will probably take me, if I get desperate :)

  50. Re:Oh shit moment by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

    ... hey, another George Bush, we survived the last one.

    Well, most people did, although a million or so people were not so lucky.

    But you are right, his policy platform (what we know of it) reads like a reset to the Bush era. Which is ironic, given that it's the children of Trump's supporters who will be coming home in body bags when he and the other neo-neocons move to broaden their business interests overseas.

  51. Net neutrality or net freedom, choose one. by ajlowe · · Score: 1

    Requiring "Net neutrality" requires regulation which by definition limits freedom. The internet has succeeded so spectacularly because it was unregulated. Regulations stifle innovation and limit progress and consumer choice. Net neutrality limits not only the freedoms of the companies providing access to run their business as they see fit, but the consumers ability to choose the type and quality of services they can demand. Maybe my provider wants to charge Facebook a premium for a premium delivery. That is their right. If I don't like it, I can switch providers. Maybe I want to pay a premium for premium delivery of Netflix. I should have that option. What really boggles me is that we think it is a good idea to allow the FCC to regulate the internet in exchange for "neutrality" The fracking FCC!!!! They regulate communications by radio (spectrum allocation), television, wire (telephone), satellite and cable. These are NOT the regulatory models we want applied to the internet. Maybe people have forgotten, but these are crappy distribution networks the internet was intended improve upon and replace. Asking the FCC to regulate the internet on behalf of the consumer is like asking the fox to guard the hen house on behalf of the eggs.

    1. Re:Net neutrality or net freedom, choose one. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Requiring "Net neutrality" requires regulation which by definition limits freedom.

      By definition, regulation limits some freedoms. It's certainly possible for it to unlock more freedoms. For example, the regulation of "don't run red lights" dramatically reduces the risk of collisions, leading to cheaper transportation, and therefore more freedom of travel than the regulation removed.

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    2. Re:Net neutrality or net freedom, choose one. by ajlowe · · Score: 1

      It may be possible for regulations to unlock more freedoms, but your example does not support this position. I agree, traffic signals may reduce the risk of collision. This is the main argument given for regulation - safety - think of the children!!, but there are many examples in third world countries of road networks with little to no signals and the same freedom of travel. The more I think about it, the more I think maybe traffic signals are an example which actually supports my position. With out the regulations in place, we might have adopted / switched to roundabouts here in the US as many other people have. Roundabouts are better in low traffic because you roll on through and there is no waiting at an empty red light. Roundabouts are better in congestion in that they fail gracefully with load as compared to the catastrophic failure of grid-lock induced by traffic signals. I have heard roundabouts are safer then lights, but I'm not super confident of that fact without seeing a study. The main disadvantage of roundabouts is the space requirements. The US has more space then most places. Off the cuff, it seems that red lights may be another example of regulation stifling innovation and limiting freedom in exchange for a promise of safety.

    3. Re:Net neutrality or net freedom, choose one. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      This is the main argument given for regulation - safety - think of the children!!

      I never mentioned safety as a goal. I talked about fewer collisions lowering the costs of travel. Which is totally a thing.

      And, they put in roundabouts sometimes. But the space requirements are really prohibitive. The areas where we have tons of space (say the country) they put up a stop sign. The areas with tons of traffic have crazy high property values.

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  52. Re:Meh by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Don't worry. Buzzfeed will tell you what you want to know. Just know it before those jack booted right-wing death squads come for you.

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  53. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    The GOP platform specifically states that it is against net neutrality

    You know, net neutrality is not actually a partisan issue. It's been made to look that way so you don't consider who is really behind it. It's actually members of the US Chamber of Commerce like Comcast, AT&T and Time Warner that have lobbied the government. They'll influence anyone they think will favor their position to strong arm citizens into arrangements to pay them more money for their respective boards of directors.

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  54. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

    GOP establishment also didn't want Trump as president. I wouldn't take the GOP platform as a guide to what Trump will do, the senate and house perhaps but not Trump.

    Trump just got elected after fighting against the mainstream media and the establishments of both parties. All of the big media establishments bashed Trump, and he bashed them in return. Trump and the people who voted for him hate companies like Comcast, Time Warner (CNN), and AT&T. Plus he didn't take money from them and doesn't owe them any favors, which is usually how these shitty law get passed. It's makes absolutely no sense for him to further consolidate power in the hand of his enemies.

  55. If He Even Takes Office by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Public reactions to Trump may hound him out of the presidency even before he takes the oath of office. First all loyal Americans must avoid using any Trump owned properties such as golf courses or hotels. Next we will want to investigate in persistent, unending, close inspection of any individual involved with Trump including their family members. After all, money gets moved around through family members, relatives and supporters so getting into their lives with a magnifying glass is important. Total stonewalling and obstruction as well as massive marches on Washington sufficient to shut down the city should be frequent. We can make this jerk so miserable that he quites before he begins. And that rape trial for the 13 year old that he is accused of raping should be very, very public as well. Some of the women he groped may well bring forward criminal charges as well. A sled ride to hell awaits Trump. Can we impeach before he takes the oath?

  56. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    lol, I got downvoted for that? She's a former Senator that didn't even get democratically elected, and a former Secretary of State. She's currently none of those, and holds no elected office. I can't imagine how the post above mine was marked as "Informative" when the discussion is about the incoming president. It should have been marked as "Off-Topic"

    Clinton was elected as Senator in 2000. I don't know why you're claiming otherwise. She defeated Rick Lazio, 55% to 37%. She was then re-elected in 2006 by a larger margin.

  57. 'Net neutrality' vs 'access rights' by unixisc · · Score: 1

    The GOP platform specifically states that it is against net neutrality

    The term - Net Neutrality - regardless of what it actually is, seems to suggest that it's about regulating the Internet so that the contents/coverage are balanced b/w Left and Right. So people on the Right see this as an attempt to censor them in case the coverage weighs out heavily in their favor. The big communications companies - the Comcasts, the AT&T's, et al see this as an opportunity to sabotage the attempts to force them to deliver all content via any of their channels. Like if you don't have a TV but just an Internet connection, you should be able to watch the Super Bowl w/o having to subscribe to their TV services. That is something that rank & file GOPers wouldn't have a problem w/, but the idea of content regulation, which is what the term 'net neutrality' suggests, leaves them w/ a more sinister impression of what it is about

    If the proponents of Net Neutrality want it to succeed, they should segregate the part about content being even from the part about access being available regardless of whether someone subscribes to broadcast TV or Internet only

  58. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    Trump probably won't attack another country,

    I'll take that bet. War is the only consistent US policy.

  59. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    Another piece of the Obamacare puzzle is the ban on "Cadillac" plans. To people who are accustomed to $5 copays and no worries about Rx, this was a shock. To actually worry about the increasing costs? I think this was a big part of the Blue Collar pushback against obama care, I'm not certain why it was included, maybe a give away to big corps who had poorly negotiated with unions in the past?

  60. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    I wonder if I can just slap Trump on anything now, kind of like Reagen, it's no longer a "private" brand, it's America's now.

  61. anti-business by multi+io · · Score: 1

    So the Republicans have now deteriorated to the point where they actively pursue policies that would undermine the US's internet economy, which is leading the world and spurs innovation globally and should be one of the prides of the nation. It's astounding to think that the GOP once used to be the quintessential pro-business party, whereas these days the majority of business leaders support the Democratic Party, if only for the fact that they seem to churn out fewer religious bigots and all-around numbnuts.

  62. PURE Speculation! by sciop101 · · Score: 1

    President-ELECT Trump cannot do anything until he is inaugurated 20 Jan 2017. Get some (any!!) facts. This entire post is an insult to ALL liberals && conspiracy-theoristsl The use of "could' and "likely" is easier to use than links to actual quotations, public records, and events.

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  63. Re:What Net Neutrality? by multi+io · · Score: 1

    As long as the throttling also affects internet telephony, I'd say that throttling everything equally doesn't violate NN.

  64. Guaranteed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Amazing how easy it is to get hens to vote for foxes these days

    There is no such thing as a political election where the voters aren't hens, and the candidates aren't foxes. Replace "these days" with "since the beginning of time", and you're good to go. It's completely natural, even guaranteed, that the people interested in gaining coercive authority over others are the same people who would use that power for their own self-interest.

  65. I have a theory! by NetNed · · Score: 1

    What is with all the speculation that he will do the worst that anyone can imagine in every situation before he has even taken office? This is all by the same media that was found to be completely full of shit the entire race. Now that it's over am I supposed to accept their bullshit once again and act like they are just reporting the news, not pushing an agenda. For fucks sakes! We have ADHD of history now where people learn nothing from the past or want to ignore it. It is utterly mind boggling how you can put the evidence in some ones face on something and they will go out of their way to ignore it and on other things they are all in and accept it as truth with little more than hearsay. WTF? Does no one research anything any more or look to seek out the actual truth on matters any more? It's like everyone has become like the people in the hospital at the end of 50 first dates.

    Do you really think the protests are anywhere near what the media has claimed they are? They wouldn't even tell the truth about how many were showing up at Hilary rallies but I am suppose to think this time they are factual?

  66. Re: Bernie Wouldn't by maugle · · Score: 2
    OK, see, this attitude of yours is actually a large part of why Trump won. Imagine your average hypothetical swing voter:
    • On one side of the fence, the Trump supporters are shouting about all the perceived problems this country has that Trump will fix. The swing voter has major doubts about whether those problems are as bad as they are, or if they're even real, or if Trump could indeed fix them.
    • But on the other side of the fence, the only thing the Clinton supporters are shouting is "If you even think about joining those Trump bastards, you're a stupid racist bigoted backwoods redneck!"

    Which group do you think the swing voter will feel more disposed to joining?

  67. Re: Hillary wanted to destroy it, not Trump by unixisc · · Score: 2

    The bulk of the Trump stories here have been political, not tech related

  68. Re:Four years of stupidity by unixisc · · Score: 1

    And her IT staff risked contempt of Congress, wiped the server using BleachBit in defiance of a subpoena, and took the Fifth, all w/o her knowledge, let alone her directives

  69. Re:for the love of humanity, STOP by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Ill tell you what the dems should work with trump the way the GOP worked with Obama. Fair is fair right?

    GOP did work w/ Obama. Like on Gang of 8. But they are under no obligation to work w/ Obama when the latter does stupid to borderline criminal things like the Iran deal, or shipping billions of $ in cash to Iran in defiance of US sanctions