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Russian Banks Floored by Withering DDoS Attacks (theregister.co.uk)

An anonymous reader shares a report on The Register: At least five Russian banks weathered days-long DDoS attacks this week. A wave of assaults began on Tuesday afternoon and continued over the next two days. Victims including Sberbank and Alfabank both confirmed DDoS attacks on their online services, RT reports. The attacks were powered by compromised IoT devices, according to an unnamed Russian Central Bank official. Early indications are that the Mirai IoT botnet that disrupted DNS services for scores of high-profile websites might be behind the latest attacks but this remains unconfirmed. DDoS attacks on Russian banks are far from unprecedented. The last attack on this scale affected eight major banks in October 2015. David Kennerley, director of threat research at Webroot, commented: "These latest DDoS attacks are extremely similar to the recent ones targeted at Dyn last month, and really drives home the security issues of the Internet of Things. While attacks like these are complicated, there's still an element of basic security that could have reduced success -- password management.

103 comments

  1. That's awful!! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody have a script I can run to join in the fun?

    1. Re:That's awful!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody have a script I can run to join in the fun?

      Damn kids and their IoT botnet toys.

      Back in my day we had to work a bit harder. Today, it's basically downloading a fucking app and pressing the shiny button.

    2. Re: That's awful!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just enable UPnP

    3. Re: That's awful!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah .. go press windows-r, type cmd.exe and then del c:\windows\system32. Then reboot and you will stick it to Putin.

    4. Re: That's awful!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Failed to work on my Ubuntu computer!!!!
      What can I do???

    5. Re: That's awful!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in MY day, we just held down the F5 key.

    6. Re:That's awful!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Anybody have a script I can run to join in the fun?

      Damn kids and their IoT botnet toys.

      Back in my day we had to work a bit harder. Today, it's basically downloading a fucking app and pressing the shiny button.

      Like it or not, that's called progress.

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  2. So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by ghoul · · Score: 1, Troll

    When the US internet went down couple of weeks back lot of folks were blaming Russia. Criminals are criminals they have no national loyalties. Doubt CNN will report this and present a retraction

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    1. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      huh? the us internet did not go down. or did you read that on facebook?

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    2. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I wonder if the west IS responsible for this, some sort of retaliatory measure, or if this is some internal issue in Russia where the banks are being targeted.

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    3. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It went down for about an hour across much of the East coast.

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    4. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they just lightly attacked 2 of their own banks to throw the shade off of them

    5. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by ole_timer · · Score: 3, Informative

      no, certain dns servers did not work, others did. i was never down and i live and work in dc. the popular press reported it incorrectly.

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    6. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      Believe it or not there are many hacking groups out there, and they have different agendas.

      This attack, along with the Liberia, Dyn and Krebs on Security attacks, are being blamed on the Mirai botnet. To my knowledge no one reputable has linked Mirai with Russia, at least not the Russian government. Mirai's targets seem to be random, like the developers are simply demonstrating their capabilities. So far there doesn't seem to be a political agenda.

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    7. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by unixisc · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe Democrat hacks taking revenge for supposed Russian involvement in derailing Clinton's election

    8. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anybody say that the only hackers in the whole wide world are Russian? Or that Russian hackers have a monopoly on any particular type of botnet? Just because some Ukrainian hackers or whoever have attacked Russian banks today doesn't mean Russian hackers weren't responsible for other attacks previously. Try to engage some brain cells.

    9. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Did you know that more than one person/group can initiate a DDoS attack? S'truth!

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    10. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by hey! · · Score: 1

      Doubt it. Interrupting banks gets very expensive, and Russia is in the middle of a multi-year financial crisis touched off by low oil prices and economic sanctions.

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    11. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, there were 7M fewer democrat votes for Pres than in 2012. But about the same for republicans.

      Maaaaaabye, it was something else.

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    12. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I wouldn't use those words because I'm not an asshole.

      But, yes, she was a horrible candidate. And Trump, even worse in his own right, was a master at flaming every piece of smoke coming out of her to make fire.

      So 7M dems stayed home because they didn't like their own candidate. And the same number of GOPs voted ('12 vs '16) because they didn't like the other candidate.

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    13. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F Society

    14. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least the 'Bernie or Bust' crowd got one of the options fulfilled.

    15. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, there were 7M fewer democrat votes for Pres than in 2012. But about the same for republicans.

      Maaaaaabye, it was something else.

      Indeed it was. Majorities of voters intensely disliked both candidates. No need to provide details here -- that has already been done ad nauseum.

      Clinton appears to have carried the popular vote, but Trump has won the all-important electoral college. How did this happen? I have heard various reasons:

      - Trump connected to deep anger and frustration in the white working-class electorate
      - Clinton failed to maintain support from the Obama coalition
      - In the post-primary season, Clinton neglected the "blue firewall" in the rust belt, particularly Wisconsin
      - Many people were fed up with the status quo and wanted change, even if it meant Trump in the WhiteHouse

      Both candidates had their flaws. IMHO, Trump's were far deeper than Clinton's. But his campaign carried the day because of the above.

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    16. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      How the fuck do you think Mrs. Obama is a shitstain?

      Other than from Fox News.

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    17. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 1
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    18. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      The bad part is that there is news that they are now grooming Chelsea to run for office

      I would not be surprised if there were evidence of that, but kindly provide some.

      I am aware that she has a PhD in International Relations and she is working at the Clinton Global Initiative. That might be a good background for a post in foreign affairs, but I'd have to see more domestic affairs on her résumé before I believed she was going to run for office.

      and Obama's wife is acting all political, too.

      Perhaps, but would she run for office? Most likely not.

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    19. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I like her personally, have no clue about her politics because she doesn't really express them often, it would be a mistake to say they are identical to her husband's- spouses rarely agree 100% on politics.

      Which is my intro to say: I know the reason my wife doesn't like her is school lunches. It was her initiatives that altered the school lunch program. My kids won't eat them says they are disgusting (she blame's Michelle, I think school lunches have always been disgusting). She says portion sizes are too small for kids now too since Michelle got involved... again, I don't know if that's true or not.

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    20. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      That's ... about the least convincing argument for any politician I've ever heard.

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    21. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the West is responsible for this there is no question in my mind. I wonder what the retaliation will be.

    22. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      She's not a politician though and most likely won't run for anything. She has even said as much. She's never held public office and as such probably isn't qualified for any high-level political job.

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    23. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      In other words, your poor kid is being made to eat a healthy lunch with appropriate portion sizes. What an evil witch!

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    24. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What does that matter anymore? You have a guy who isn't even apparently very good at business and who never held a political position of any kind now the President of the United States. If Trump is qualified to be President, then I figure you can into the nearest shopping mall right now, right into the middle of the food court, close your eyes, spin around a dozen times, point in the direction you end up at, and the first person you point out will have all the qualifications needed to be the most powerful person in the world.

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    25. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Many people were fed up with the status quo and wanted change, even if it meant Trump in the WhiteHouse

      Yes, and many of these are people who if they wanted to "change" their bodies would have to complain about the shotgun blast to their foot AFTER the fact.

    26. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by unixisc · · Score: 1

      She's not a politician though and most likely won't run for anything. She has even said as much. She's never held public office and as such probably isn't qualified for any high-level political job.

      Part of the driver would be popularity, so if she were so inclined, she would. But unlike Clinton, she's not a feminist: she's a pretty traditional stay at home mom, who believes in being supportive of her husband. I daresay that that's a part of the reason behind her popularity.

    27. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Trump would never eat in the food court, come on now.

    28. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by darkain · · Score: 1

      Exactly this! People (especially the media) conflate "web browser" with "the internet" - our series of tubes were perfectly fine the entire time! Just a section of name resolution was glitchy for a small region for a relatively small period of time. Those companies effected should have had redundant DNS providers, in which case a small latent DNS failover would have been the only real issue to end users.

    29. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      InterWebs != Internet

    30. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So 7M dems stayed home because they didn't like their own candidate.

      Or because of unrestrained voter suppression in many states, including at least a couple of critical swing states, thanks in no small part to the supreme court gutting 50 years of voter rights protection in the south.

    31. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I fully agree that there was, and will continue to be, voter suppression.

      But it didn't suppress millions.

      And to think so is to fundamentally miss the point. And when this greek tragedy occurred. Hint: the timeline is in Hillary's emails. Spoiler: it was 2012.

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    32. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like you really need to shut up, I've seen your moderately wrong posts on this election several times. First with grossly exaggerated numbers and now still clearly wrong.
      2012 election
      Democrats pulled in 65.91 million
      Republicans pulled in 60.93 million
      Green pulled in .46 million
      Libertarian pulled in 1.27 million

      2016 election
      Democrats pulled in 60.46 million
      Republicans pulled in 60.07 million
      Green pulled in 1.23 million
      Libertarian pulled in 4.12 million

      Difference
      Democrats -5.45 million
      Republicans -.47 million
      Green +.77 million
      Libertarian +2.85 million

      So if you're going to say democrats stayed home, stop with the bullshit 10M and 7M in your posts and consider the possibility it was only 1.83 million. And that the vast majority went third party.

    33. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's only "apparently not good at business" to people who don't know jack shit about business.

    34. Re:So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not there are many hacking groups out there, and they have different agendas.

      This attack, along with the Liberia, Dyn and Krebs on Security attacks, are being blamed on the Mirai botnet. To my knowledge no one reputable has linked Mirai with Russia, at least not the Russian government. Mirai's targets seem to be random, like the developers are simply demonstrating their capabilities. So far there doesn't seem to be a political agenda.

      No one has linked it to Russia yet. We know the Russians has some of the most capable hackers in the world and the FSB is smart enough to attack their own systems to throw people like you off the scent.

    35. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "She's never held public office and as such probably isn't qualified for any high-level political job"

      Er, tell me again about the qualifications of the president-elect, pls

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    36. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by haruchai · · Score: 1

      He's only "apparently not good at business" to people who don't know jack shit about business.

      I tried to book a flight on Trump Air, hoping to have a delicious Trump Steak, wash it down with a clear shot or two of Trump Vodka, maybe get a bottle of Trump Water as a souvenir, on my way to enrolling at Trump University.

      I wonder if I can get a Trump Mortgage.

      http://gawker.com/a-complete-l...

      I never counted Paul Newman as someone who knew jack shit about business but his Newman's Own brand has generated more money in charitable donations than Trump has accumulated - yes, I'm implying he's not a billionaire - while Trump donations are as underwhelming as he is overbearing

      http://www.newyorker.com/news/...

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    37. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Why would previous Obama voters go Libertarian?

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    38. Re: So much for Kremlin doing the Hacking by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "and consider the possibility it was only 1.83 million"
      what's matter is where those votes changed hands; most American elections are decided in a just a few states.

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  3. I KNEW Trump sold out to Putin! by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn Russkies stopping Clinton by attacking their own banks!

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    1. Re:I KNEW Trump sold out to Putin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo Sir, well played!

    2. Re:I KNEW Trump sold out to Putin! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Damn Russkies stopping Clinton by attacking their own banks!

      Classic false flag operation. :-)

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    3. Re:I KNEW Trump sold out to Putin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong economic climate. False flag might be fun unless it hits actually critical infrastructure. Banks are a big part of the Russian economy not imploding.

      It is also fun to say "false flag" if you predetermine who did it before you look at the data. That initial bias can strongly weaken or damage your decision making process.

    4. Re:I KNEW Trump sold out to Putin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because all hacks are done by the same people, of course.

  4. Wait for it.. by jwymanm · · Score: 0

    CIA is going to announce that Russians were behind the attacks. In Soviet Russia.. yeah yeah.

    1. Re:Wait for it.. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Actually, I'm waiting for FSB to say that the NSA was behind the attack to take revenge for putting them under Trump

  5. A proper firewall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A proper firewall probably could prevent intrusion into semi-secure devices. Why don't home networks have a firewall? Seems like a basic thing we should all have.

    1. Re:A proper firewall by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I have one (Linux box, and I have several devices that are not allowed Internet connectivity in either direction), but there is the thing: Consumer firewalls are set to default-allow, because otherwise consumers complain why their shiny new toys do not work. In other words, consumer-firewalls are useless without a competent administrator and they basically never have one. Enterprise firewalls are default-deny and, guess what, they universally have administrators, because without them you cannot be used in a meaningful way.

      Hence while your question is entirely fine, the answer is "because things are massively screwed up". Now, if we required people to have proven skills in securing a network before buying server devices and connecting them to said networks, (like, say, we require people to have some formal qualification before operating a car and insurance in addition), things would look differently.

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  6. SUSE hacked ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SUSE Hacked today

    Poor SUSE :(

  7. HA HA by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    HA HA, err, wait, I meant to say, "That's terrible!"

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    1. Re:HA HA by Drethon · · Score: 1

      HA HA, err, wait, I meant to say, "That's terrible!"

      Er wait... ah, HA HA!

  8. Alfabank and mystery Trump connections. by sbaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't Alfabank the one that was engaging in all of that highly suspicious/mystery network traffic from an "unused" Trump server a couple of weeks ago?

    Seems like a bit of a coincidence.

    Any juicy conspiracy theories here?

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    1. Re:Alfabank and mystery Trump connections. by sbaker · · Score: 2

      Yeah - I remembered correctly for once:

            http://www.slate.com/articles/...

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    2. Re:Alfabank and mystery Trump connections. by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Troll
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    3. Re:Alfabank and mystery Trump connections. by vsavkin · · Score: 1

      > Any juicy conspiracy theories here?

      Who gave those experts, including Paul Vixie, right to snoop on DNS traffic of their political opponent?

  9. Reap what you sow russia by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Whats it like to be on the receiving end for once?

    1. Re:Reap what you sow russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How did things get so bad for you, that whenever something bad happens on the Internet, you immediately assume it's the Russian government? That pretext is so bad it could only fit in a dumb Hollywood movie, but of course some people lap it up when it's served in front of them.

  10. Hillary is striking back by AchilleTalon · · Score: 0

    From undisclosed Russian sources, they tracked back the origin of the attack to a private email server owned by Hillary Clinton.

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    1. Re: Hillary is striking back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She cleaned that server off. With a cloth!

    2. Re: Hillary is striking back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly should have used Ajax instead.

  11. i love the nsa tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ooops i said it out loud....

  12. False flag attack by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Look at us, we've been hacked just like we hacked America, err, I mean just how America was hacked.

    1. Re: False flag attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me proof that they didn't hack. Until then they did it. The ownus is on them. We showed proof. Now prove Russia didn't hack the DNC.

    2. Re:False flag attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you must be one of those more articulate Trump supporters.

  13. Most likely the NSA/CIA doing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it casts doubt on their prior accusations and attempts at sullying Russia whenever something happens. It's clear that the U.S. is trying to build another boogey-man for the next couple of decades, and they've decided that Russia will be it. Don't buy any of the lies.

  14. Revenge? by Jodka · · Score: 2

    Is this the revenge which Obama promised for Putin helping Trump defeat Clinton with the Wikipedia leaks?

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    1. Re:Revenge? by sbaker · · Score: 1

      Um "Wikileaks" - not "Wikipedia leaks". WIkileaks has *nothing* to do with Wikipedia other than that they both happen to use a "Wiki". It's rather important not to make that mistake!

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  15. Could there be more to this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the chance that a DDoS attack could enable or mask a more serious attack?

    For example could a DDoS situation increase the probability of making a fraudulent connection either to a server or from a client?

  16. First women by unixisc · · Score: 1

    What is it about the Dems that suddenly, they are all into dynastic manipulation? If they want the first woman president, there are so many choices they have of women who made it in their own right - Pelosi, Pocahontas, to name just 2. Women who got where they are on their own, not via fathers or husbands. Ain't that what feminism is about?

    Even if I wanted to see the country's first woman president, I wouldn't want such a unique person to be associated w/ cronyism or corruption, as Hilary would inevitably be. I'd rather see a woman who's gotten where she is, w/o such a rap sheet. I disagree w/ the Libs, but either Pelosi or Pocahontas would be an improvement, for both reasons stated above

    1. Re:First women by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      You do realize that Hillary probably has better qualifications than Bill did don't you. She had better grades, was actually one of the lawyers on the watergate scandal, and was a senator, Sec of State, and also happened to be first lady. I'm not into dynasties much, but to infer she was unqualified is just not accurate. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Trumps tax returns and how is he going to blind trust his assets. Everyone was worried about the clinton charity foundation conflicts, what about the trump hotel right down the street from his new address? You know the one with the very expensive lease to the US Gov that probably will not be able to make the payments.

    2. Re:First women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats should train their own orange monkey.

  17. Small wonder by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Payback is a bitch.

  18. Must be the DNC! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Must be the DNC! See, we can use unfounded accusations in both directions!

    1. Re:Must be the DNC! by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      Understandable... but at this stage I don't care what the DNC does anymore. Until they fire some people (specifically Donna, but more would be better), they're as irrelevant as the Libertarians and the Greens.

    2. Re:Must be the DNC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that the Libertarian candidate pulled in over 4.1 million votes this election, a 223% increase over the 2012 election, maybe even more irrelevant.

      (Although more likely many of those were votes that would have gone Republican if the candidate had been more palatable.)

  19. There is such a thing as name recognition. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That said, I don't expect Michelle Obama to run. Chelsea might. I suspect her parents' influence may well drive her toward public office.

    1. Re:There is such a thing as name recognition. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's not all that difficult to build up. And I'd say that both Pelosi and Warren have good name recognition in Liberal circles

    2. Re:There is such a thing as name recognition. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I honestly doubt it. Now that it is clear having the last name "Clinton" means the alt-right will literally accuse you of anything up to and including assassinations and mass murder.

      No, if the Dems do anything at this point, they'll find a Liberal version of Donald Trump, so we're probably talking about a younger version of Bernie Sanders. After all, other than the hatred of climate change, gays and women who control the activity of their uterus, there now appears to be little that is different between the Alt-right and the traditional US far left. Both believe in borrowing trillions to spend on infrastructure, in an almost Communist fervor for starting up idled factories for no other reason than to provide jobs for people whose skills are a decade or more out of date.

      Sanity has left US politics. While I expect for the next couple of years, Congress will try to check Trump's excesses, but after 2018, when both parties are increasingly dominated by their fringes and by entryists from beyond the fringes, you'll see the kind of utter madness that tossing out the "elites" (read: people who actually understand what government is) and replacing them with ideological fruitcakes will produce.

      The ship will obviously right itself in 8-10 years, once the full social, economic and environmental effects of trying to make-believe it's 1950 again become painfully clear, but by that point, it's likely the rest of the planet will have moved on, and the US, while still the dominant power, really will have been critically weakened.

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    3. Re:There is such a thing as name recognition. by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't count on the US surviving this one. Expect china will be the dominant power by 2020. Pity, but the US will be britain before I die. I'd hoped to miss nero fiddle while rome burns. But nero showed up sooner then I expected.

  20. Comey is investigating by ghoul · · Score: 1

    :)

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  21. First ladies and personal decisions by unixisc · · Score: 1

    These decisions - on what kids eat for lunch - should be made individually by parents, or maybe by schools, but not by the first lady. There is something called individual responsibility. Or else why didn't Mrs Obama make it a point to make all obese people exercise to the point that they became trim, and less likely to suffer heart disease?

    1. Re:First ladies and personal decisions by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You know she couldn't actually make people do this and it was actually schools that instituted luncb reforms, right?

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    2. Re:First ladies and personal decisions by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "why didn't Mrs Obama make it a point to make all obese people exercise to the point that they became trim, and less likely to suffer heart disease?"

      Because the GOP would call that a direct attack on their voting base?

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  22. Explanation by laing · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this is what we are seeing?

  23. Qualified to lead? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    You do realize that Hillary probably has better qualifications than Bill did don't you. She had better grades, was actually one of the lawyers on the watergate scandal, and was a senator, Sec of State, and also happened to be first lady. I'm not into dynasties much, but to infer she was unqualified is just not accurate. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Trumps tax returns and how is he going to blind trust his assets. Everyone was worried about the clinton charity foundation conflicts, what about the trump hotel right down the street from his new address? You know the one with the very expensive lease to the US Gov that probably will not be able to make the payments.

    Hilary became a senator by virtue of her name recognition as First Lady: it's not that she did something tangible for NY that got voters to elect her over Rich Lazio. As Senator, her sole achievements were getting a few buildings named: the stuff about her getting funds for NY after 9/11 was just hooey. NYC had a high visibility due to the twin towers attack happening there, and there is no way it would have been ignored. Not to mention that both Giuliani and Patakis had great influence w/ President Bush.

    Her role as one of the lawyers in Watergate is ironic given that her entire subsequent career has been scandal ridden - the Rose Law Firm, the Cattle Futures, Whitewater and then fast forward to the Clinton server and the Pay for Play at the Clinton Foundation. I daresay President Nixon didn't do an iota of what she did and almost got away w/.

    The Trump Tax Returns is one of the red herrings peddled by the Dems from day 1, and is irrelevant in determining Trump's assets and liabilities. Which are all available in the 104 page FEC filings that he did when announcing for office. That is a complete summary of everything, and directly gives one the data that would have to be extrapolated from one's tax returns.

    About the Trump organization, blind-trusting its assets is something that's next to impossible, given the high visibility of all of them. What would work better is one of Don/Ivanka/Eric taking over from him and running it, and there being an agreement w/ Trump on not discussing anything about the Trump organization w/ them. Like the Trump International Hotel - one of the kids would bat for the Trump organization, while daddy would bat for the guvmint. Or daddy can recuse himself, and Mike Pence can bat for the guvmint. Whatever works.

    1. Re:Qualified to lead? by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      You just don't get it. Trump cannot divorce himself from his empire. I predict he will be impeached for it. He makes tricky dick look like mother theresa. The tax returns are not a red herring. He has been audited every year and is proud of it. Believe what you want about hiliary, you can live in your bubble, I'll live in mine, its the new merica.

    2. Re:Qualified to lead? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "Hilary became a senator by virtue of her name recognition as First Lady: it's not that she did something tangible for NY that got voters to elect her over Rich Lazio"

      I've seen Lazio in interviews. Trust me, Clinton is a better choice.
      What most people have forgotten or don't know about Hillary becoming a Senator in New York is that she got out there and met the little people, went to a fuckton of small towns and introduced herself at malls, fairs, corn roasts, town halls.
      Did her status as former 1st lady help? Sure did.
      But y'know what helped more? The former 1st lady walking up to middle-class and rural voters in NY towns, shaking their hands, talking to them & asking personally for their vote.

      "About the Trump organization, blind-trusting its assets is something that's next to impossible, given the high visibility of all of them. What would work better is one of Don/Ivanka/Eric taking over from him and running it, and there being an agreement w/ Trump on not discussing anything about the Trump organization w/ them. Like the Trump International Hotel - one of the kids would bat for the Trump organization, while daddy would bat for the guvmint. Or daddy can recuse himself, and Mike Pence can bat for the guvmint. Whatever works"

      Are you kidding? What's next to impossible is Trump not meddling with his biz interests & brand. Rockefeller offered to put his holdings in a blind trust when he became Ford's VP in 1974 but the offer was declined. Trump is no more capable of even making that offer than he is of growing back his own real hair.
      And even if he did put it in a truly blind trust, he would find a way to interfere.

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    3. Re:Qualified to lead? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "He has been audited every year" - I don't believe that but he says it because it fits his narrative of a rigged system & makes him look like a victim of the corrupt government, which plays well since the IRS doesn't get much love from anyone.
      And he can get away with lying about yearly audits since the IRS is not allowed to comment specifically on his tax situation - but there was a very strong implication that he's lying when they did say that "it would be most unusual for someone to be audited every year"

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