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China Tells Trump Climate Change Isn't a Hoax it Invented (bloomberg.com)

China couldn't have invented global warming as a hoax to harm U.S. competitiveness because it was Donald Trump's Republican predecessors who started climate negotiations in the 1980s, China's Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said, according to a Bloomberg report. From the article:U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush supported the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in initiating global warming talks even before China knew that negotiations to cut pollution were starting, Liu told reporters at United Nations talks on Wednesday in Marrakech, Morocco. Ministers and government officials from almost 200 countries gathered in Marrakech this week are awaiting a decision by President-elect Trump on whether he'll pull the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement to tackle climate change. The tycoon tweeted in 2012 that the concept of global warming "was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." China's envoy rejected that view. "If you look at the history of climate change negotiations, actually it was initiated by the IPCC with the support of the Republicans during the Reagan and senior Bush administration during the late 1980s," Liu told reporters during an hour-long briefing.

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  1. Facts don't scare Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He makes up his own reality.

  2. Re:..and it starts by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That skips over quite a bit of history where the people of the Italian peninsula went through a considerably nasty period as the Western Empire fell.

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  3. Re:fascinatingly crafted reply... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except China doesn't think AGW is a hoax, so this appears to be yet another climate denier simply inventing claims.

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  4. Re:..and it starts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Agreed. Lots of nasty german tribes invaded from the north and caused big trouble. Ever wondered where the term "vandalism" comes from?

  5. Re:Facts, those darn facts again... by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because a scientist makes a logical sensible argument with valid points and facts is no reason you should listen to him or her. Especially where public policy is concerned and some corporations might make less money.

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  6. Re: yes! by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More like "Look at the results of scientific inquiry, it's right. If you don't agree, AND don't give data that refutes it, fuck you." http://www.skepticalscience.co...

  7. Re:Logic? by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chinese are too straightforward for this type of thinking. It is beyond them that someone may ignore basic facts and claim 2+2=5, and a large swathe of population would cheer on and support that claim.

    Right. It would never occur to them to claim the Tianenmen Square protest never happened, or that Tibet was never independent, or...

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  8. Re: yes! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The left has been so egotistical, with their "I'm right and fuck you if you don't agree" way of thinking

    I guess you've never met a religious person.

  9. The only people... by Bartles · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...that think republicans think that climate change is a hoax started by China are Democrats. This is ridiculous.

  10. Re:fascinatingly crafted reply... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's because we live in a post-truth world now.

    “post-truth” has been named as Oxford Dictionary's word of the year.

    Usage of the adjective, describes circumstances where emotions and personal beliefs are more influential than facts. When used in a sentence: Snowflakes who cannot accept the historic loss of thier presidental candidate have created a "post-truth" reality for themselves.

  11. Re:File under.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you'd best look at who is in charge of Congress now, and who Trump has surrounded himself with. It will be quite something if NOAA isn't defunded and Federal money to universities doing climate change research is clawed back. The one thing is certain is that whatever Trump is, he's at the center of a large body of people who hate science and believe scientists, particularly climatologists, are evil schemers out to destroy the America.

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  12. Don't try to present facts to Trump or the GOP by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Objective truth is meaningless. The only facts that matter are political facts- what people can be made to believe. If objective truth forces itself to be recognized, you merely have to explain it the right way to diminish its importance. Perception is all there is.