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Internet of Things Set To Change the Face of Dementia Care (theguardian.com)

The internet of things, also known as connected things, have been in the news lately for all the wrong reasons, but that doesn't mean they are utterly rubbish. Smart bottles that dispense the correct dose of medication at the correct time, for instance, coupled with digital assistants, and chairs that know how long you've sat in them are among the devices set to change the face of care for those living with dementia. From a report on The Guardian: While phone calls and text messages help to keep people in touch, says Idris Jahn, head of health and data at IoTUK, a program within the government-backed Digital Catapult, problems can still arise, from missed appointments to difficulties in taking medication correctly. But he adds, connected sensors and devices that collect and process data in real time could help solve the problem. "For [people living with dementia] the sensors would be more in the environment itself, so embedded into the plug sockets, into the lights -- so it is effectively invisible. You carry on living your life but in the background things will monitor you and provide feedback to people who need to know," he said. "That might be your carer, it might be your family, it might be your clinician." The approach, he added, has the potential to change the way care is given. "It is having that cohesive mechanism to put everyone into the loop, which I think hasn't existed in the past and it is something that people need."

58 comments

  1. Good use cases don't eliminate need for security! by anegg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problems of the Internet of Things don't go away with uses such as this, they are exacerbated! IoT things need to be constructed with appropriate security models for their deployments, or else there will be no end of problems resulting from their use.

  2. Why Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The examples given in TFS are just Things, not Internet. None of them need to be connected to 4chan.

    1. Re:Why Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came to write this exactly. Smart medicine dispensers will be smarter without an internet connection.

      Now from the point of view of companies, things are a bit different. Internet connection is necessary on these things just for being able to harvest more marketing data. But they will give all kinds of excuses why the patients would also benefit, and downplay the security concerns.

  3. Right to Die by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What people suffering from Dementia really need is the option to decide to leave this world on their own terms while the disease still hasn't robbed them of the ability to make those type of decisions

    1. Re:Right to Die by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Then what.
      Those that left, fine. Those that chose to stay will still need care.

      Mind, I *totally* agree with you.

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      whois gawk date unzip strip find touch finger mount join nice man top fsck grep eject more yes exit umount sleep dump
    2. Re:Right to Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We still have to provide for those who don't choose that option.

    3. Re:Right to Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should preemptively kill everyone off

    4. Re:Right to Die by Marsoupial · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What people suffering from dementia really need is a cure for dementia. Almost all causes of dementia are either potentially treatable or preventable. In fact in almost every case, physician-assisted suicide / euthenasia is or will relatively soon be a cop-out. Cancer, heart disease, stroke, and other leading causes of death are all within realistic shooting distance of advanced technologies and a new group of researchers that have finally figured out that aging is really the big disease that everyone has previously ignored but in fact is perhaps the only disease we really need to treat in most cases.

    5. Re:Right to Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a very relevant response. As the son of a person with advanced Alzheimers I can tell you there is no device out there that is going to make my dad's life better. As soon as this device beeps or somehow tries to interact with him I know what the response will be: 1. Ignore it, 2. Ask someone why it is doing what it is doing. 3. Break it and throw it away in frustration. I saw him rip the windshield wipers of his car because he did not know how to turn them off (yeah, don't even get me started on why he can still drive).

      Dementia slowly kills the person you know and replaces it with a toddler version of themselves. Once too far down the path taking responsibility for you own life is gone.

    6. Re:Right to Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a board certified neurologist - you are either naive or selling snake oil.

    7. Re:Right to Die by Geste · · Score: 1

      New treatments for Alzheimer's show promise, but your world still seems too sunny for my taste. Ever worked on inpatient units at a hospital?

    8. Re:Right to Die by Marsoupial · · Score: 1

      Yes. These are obviously things on the horizon, but realistically on the horizon, whereas previously they were considered science fiction.

    9. Re:Right to Die by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What people suffering from dementia really need is a cure for dementia. Almost all causes of dementia are either potentially treatable or preventable.

      Its always the victim's fault. If only they ate right, exercised properly, and took the right maintenance drugs (or didn't take any depending on your view) why, we'd just live forever!

      In fact in almost every case, physician-assisted suicide / euthenasia is or will relatively soon be a cop-out.

      Whoa there fellow. You are going to need to produce some facts before declaring a fact. There are great difficulties parsing that sentence in the first place with future facts and cop outs.

      Cancer, heart disease, stroke, and other leading causes of death are all within realistic shooting distance of advanced technologies and a new group of researchers that have finally figured out that aging is really the big disease that everyone has previously ignored but in fact is perhaps the only disease we really need to treat in most cases.

      Oh hell - if we'd only known it was just that simple. I have some books from the early 1970's that read like your post. Those born then are approaching their 50's. In the meantime, we have to deal with the situation.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    10. Re:Right to Die by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      As a board certified neurologist - you are either naive or selling snake oil.

      As not a board certified neurologist, I agree with you completely.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    11. Re:Right to Die by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      New treatments for Alzheimer's show promise, but your world still seems too sunny for my taste. Ever worked on inpatient units at a hospital?

      Even these at best, slow the progression of the problem.

      My family is already under orders that if I somehow screw up and don't take myself out beforehand, and end up with Alzheimer's, in a nursing home - I want no part of merely extending the process and enriching the nursing home.

      That would be like choosing to drown over the course of 10 years, instead of getting it done as quickly as possible.

      Because either way, you are gonna drown.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  4. Can we please stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Entertaining pieces with the words could, should, might, or may in the title as though they are fact? Pretty please? Some of us are actually interested in what is possible and happening right NOW.

    1. Re:Can we please stop by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Those are called Weasel Words

      words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that a specific or meaningful statement has been made, when instead only a vague or ambiguous claim has actually been communicated. This can enable the speaker to then deny the specific meaning if the statement is challenged.

      It's part of the Dumbing down process.

    2. Re:Can we please stop by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      It's part of the Dumbing down process.

      So is using wikipedia itself - people used to know how to not only find but to use supported academic and scientific references coherently, not linking to a populist wikipedia page is all they know.

    3. Re:Can we please stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Wikipedia page is the central location to find those references cited. It's an encyclopedia--that's what they're for!

    4. Re:Can we please stop by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      It isn't a real encyclopedia, but an imitation in the populist theme. It is cultivated by a niche "open" body that excludes all reformers and excludes all content that doesn't fit within the narrow confines of equal parts snobbery and stupidity.

    5. Re:Can we please stop by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's part of the Dumbing down process.

      So is using wikipedia itself - people used to know how to not only find but to use supported academic and scientific references coherently, not linking to a populist wikipedia page is all they know.

      The Wikipedia page is cited to give someone else the chance to look at it and maybe learn something. I can't give people my education, but can show them where to start their own.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  5. IOTUK? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    What exactly is it about IOTUK that makes it so uniquely different from IOT?

    1. Re:IOTUK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe IOTUK devices will suffer "brixit".

  6. If you build it, they will come. by sehlat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once these systems are available, they WILL be made mandatory, "For your protection and in case of an emergency." Somewhere in the bowels of the NSA, there are analysts drooling at a full-on implementation of "1984."

    1. Re:If you build it, they will come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about people with dementia. Big Brother doesn't even care what they're up to.

    2. Re:If you build it, they will come. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bosses will love these things! Just to keep an eye on the "workers", of course. They can easily be plugged in various places around the office for a very low cost. Your digital signature (face recognition) means they will be able to keep track of where you are every minute of the day. You are selling your time to them, so they can "manage" you anyway they see fit. If you don't like it, you can quit.

      Many truck and delivery drivers already have tracking that watches everywhere they go and how fast, etc. The boss will have a computer screen and will be able to watch the little dots move around a drawing of the office, warehouse, etc. Just hover the mouse over the dot and see who it is and how long they have been there, retrace their daily path, etc. so awesome!

  7. put staff out of work by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    already in Japan.

    1. Re:put staff out of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You MIGHT be able to get away with a slightly higher patient-to-staff ratio in some memory care situations, but lol if you think it's going to obviate the need for humans in situations where the patients are utterly helpless in being able to feed or bathe or otherwise care for themselves (i.e. what dementia inevitably does to people who go through it). They need even more specialized care than those in nursing homes because they are utterly oblivious to their situation in addition to being physically unable to take care of themselves.

    2. Re:put staff out of work by starless · · Score: 1

      As the child of somebody who spent her last few years in a nursing home, I think that having as many machines helping out as possible would be wonderful.
      My mother was disabled, but still very sharp mentally.
      She needed help to be able to use the toilet, get washed, have food provided for her, etc.
      Although the staff were basically OK, the number of staff wasn't that high and so she sometimes had to wait a considerable amount of time for a staff
      member to respond to her buzzer requesting help. (Particularly with other residents requesting help at the same time.)
      In addition, having a machine helping you rather than a person can help maintain a little bit more dignity.
      In principle, that would help free up staff for those cases where human attention is really required.
      And hopefully could enable people to remain in their own homes for longer.

      Or at least that would be the ideal...

    3. Re:put staff out of work by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      So why have staff at all, just stick them in a an automated box in the corner, with a little view window where you can watch them like a pot plant every now and again or better yet, have the automated box simply send a text once a week to confirm their existence, SchrÃdinger's nursing home.

      The whole idea is not, to turn them into profit centres, it is to employ people suited to that industry, to look after them and provide them with human, FUCKING HUMAN, care and compassion. So they can continue to feel connected to humanity, to continue to feel a part of it and those suited to the profession achieve human rewards that fulfill their social needs.

      A choice between the old age aquarium stuck in the corner until I die and die before being confined to that box, well, I am an introvert computer geek but still that would be a bit much, definitely wax off and be done with it.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    4. Re:put staff out of work by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

      Case in point - not dementia related - but absolutely on the point of HUMAN INTERACTION. My last visit to the VA for assistance with chronic pain (over 30 years of neurological damage to lower spine) was via teleconference, with a 'treatment agent' that would have been fired from a 3rd grade class for lack of empathy, inability to properly evaluate patient, and total anal retention syndrome with requirements to be the sole and absolute controlling agent.
      The idiot even had the gall to tell me how to install a battery - put the flat end against the spring - when I was simply trying to read the small print on the battery to see what type of lithium technology was being used in a device I was going to have to wear attached to my belt with electrodes on my lower back and thigh.
      Hell, the idiot even 'directed' me to NOT touch the controls when I instinctively (for an electronic geek, design engineer, and previous bio-medical engineer) tried to move and familiarize myself with the controls that were going to control the electronic impulses to my body (TENS unit).
      Final straw was when I was required to attach the unit to my back - even though I was already wearing lidocaine patches and had maxed out my pain meds just to be at the session (that, by the way, the agent was LATE for). ANY additional stimulus to a patient with high levels of pain can, and often does, trigger neuro-muscular spasms that are really, REALLY unpleasant - and cannot be alleviated without direct injections to the pain centr(s).
      HOPEFULLY, the complaint form I left will help some other poor, pain-ridden veteran to obtain a more compassionate and empathetic physio-neurological pain sufferer to get better treatment.
      NO, I did not get the TENS unit, even though I have used one for 4 different periods since 1980 - - - Thank You, VA for assistance -NOT- for service-connected disabilities.

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      redneck geek
    5. Re:put staff out of work by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The whole idea is not, to turn them into profit centres, it is to employ people suited to that industry, to look after them and provide them with human, FUCKING HUMAN, care and compassion.

      Hold on there Cowboy - that's crazy talk!

      But yeah, today's system is based upon getting money, and success is considered as extracting as much of the "guest's" wealth as possible before they pass, or they expire as soon as possible after their estate is gone.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:put staff out of work by Udom · · Score: 1

      The result will be less human interaction, which means faster decline.

  8. Re: Good use cases don't eliminate need for securi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Security isn't needed if you give away too much data to process

  9. Oh goody by bosef1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now when my senile grandfather says that his pill bottles and bathroom fixtures are talking to him... he may actually be right?

    1. Re:Oh goody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct answer would be No, Papa, those things are talking to me; they are speaking in Spanish.

    2. Re:Oh goody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say this, glad someone beat me to it.

  10. Synergy by hawguy · · Score: 1

    I can see the synergy between elderly people and IoT devices -- the elderly rarely use the internet, so so the IoT devices can use that otherwise idle bandwidth to run DoS attacks -- it's a win-win for everyone!

    1. Re:Synergy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why be pessimistic? They can do a distributed search for dementia treatments!

    2. Re:Synergy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care if it helps old people, just make sure it leaves enough bandwidth for my army of SPAM and DDoS bots. It's the IoT's primary purpose and the only thing it does well.

  11. Re:Good use cases don't eliminate need for securit by Place+a+name+here · · Score: 2

    IoT will help dementia care here, too. No need to remember your password when all the things have the same default!

  12. Re: Good use cases don't eliminate need for securi by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    Security isn't needed if you give away too much data to process

    There is something to be said for safety in numbers, or in the herd. The more different IOT devices that are out there, the risk of any one getting attacked is lowered, and the likelihood an attack is discovered before it hits your specific device is increased. Of course there is also some increase in risk of attack on a specific device type just because it is popular.

  13. Re: Good use cases don't eliminate need for securi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Security isn't needed if you give away too much data to process

    Or if the data isn't sensitive and the device is only monitoring but not controlling anything essential. Still I bring this point up all the time as I'm very interested in getting into Industrial IoT, which is where I see it having the most benefits and can help with many real world problems. Much of the commercial and residential ideas for it are just plain misguided solutions in search of problems though.

  14. Dementia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dementia set to change the face of Internet of Things

  15. Wrong by s.petry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given the example provided, a bottle automatically dispenses the right amount of pills at the right time. IoT simply gives someone the ability to make a whole lot of bottles behave differently, giving extra or no medication on time. In both cases severe complications can arise, so the "benefit" turns into a major detriment very quickly.

    Hackers of all kinds daily prove why there is no possible way to have Internet Utopia. It is foolish to have such a belief, and propagating that belief does temporary good for some who profit and damage to many overall. How many extra fees do you have to pay for everything today for "protection"?

    IoT has trivial world value. "My Fridge" on the internet sounds great until someone orders you $90,000 worth of caviar to fill it with. Sure, some protections can be put in place but you can not protect everything all the time.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  16. So happy about this by al0ha · · Score: 1

    I have long viewed dementia care as a perfect realm for some kind of AI. I kind of figured it'll be a combination of Google Glass, Uber self driving cars and things like that. Chairs that know you sat in them, awesome too. All of this is great if implemented securely. Google Glass tells you where to go when and who each person is that you meet, and reminds you of recent dialogue as well. Only the latest stages of dementia will not receive any benefit from this me thinks; the rest, if happy dementia patients, are going to have a relatively independent and free life, which is all anyone really wants.

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    Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
    1. Re:So happy about this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I have long viewed dementia care as a perfect realm for some kind of AI. I kind of figured it'll be a combination of Google Glass, Uber self driving cars and things like that.

      Good heavens - you have absolutely no idea of what dementia is.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  17. IoT stuff only works EARLY in the disease! by atrimtab · · Score: 2

    Dementia is not just memory loss. It is also cognitive decline, mis-remembering and at times hallucinations.

    IoT only works in the "dementia use case" when the patient can remember what to do when a light flashes, the pill door opens or some other device alert occurs. And as the patient declines and there are fewer and fewer "cognitive enough" periods, these systems will not produce the expected reaction from the patient. And after a while (a pretty short while actually) the patient won't know and won't care. After that another human is necessary to make sure things happen at the correct time. This won't change until the smart AI assistant robots arrive.

    The promise of the current generation of IoT gadgets like GPS tracking watches, motion/occupancy detectors, remotely controlled door locks, switches that monitor the refrigerator door to automated pill dispensers are only useful during a pretty short transition period between self-care and a locked memory care assisted living campus.

    Companies selling these IoT devices for this use case are really selling false hope.

    I've seen other posts here that suggest that the afflicted should be allowed to commit suicide. But very few now actually commit suicide before they are already too far gone to be considered legally competent. Because you can't be competent when you can't remember what happened a minute ago.

    Dementia patients don't even notice they aren't remembering or thinking properly unless someone or the physical universe points it out. Then the general reaction is likely frustration or anger, because what they think is going on is not.

    Look at the documentary on singer Glen Campbell called "Glen Campbell... I'll Be Me." to get an idea of what dementia is like.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com...

    And while watching think about how applicable IoT is to him.

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    Facebook is billions of individual "Skinner Boxes." And if you use it you are the pigeon!
    1. Re:IoT stuff only works EARLY in the disease! by 602 · · Score: 1
      The promise of the current generation of IoT gadgets...only useful during a pretty short transition period between self-care and a locked memory care assisted living campus.

      This.

      A larger market may be in devices for nondemented with chronic diseases. For instance, someone who has to take medication several times a day. I depend on reminders sent through my Apple Watch for this.

  18. Re: Good use cases don't eliminate need for securi by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    The risk isn't just about your data. If a device is roped into a botnet, at the time it's supposed to be delivering a carefully calibrated and timed dosage it's instead DOSing some system for all that it's worth. These devices are surely never tested under "extreme load" scenarios because they're not intended to be used that way.

  19. Internet of Watchamacallits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since hitting 60 Ive noticed increasing aphasia (not finding the right word) so the Internet of Unnamed Objects is just dandy with me.
    Now get off my ... grass thing.

  20. Re: Good use cases don't eliminate need for securi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be pretty funny in a horrible sort of way.

    1337 h4x0r: 3y3 r0x0r j0000 b17ch h4x h4x DDoS mmk4y

    patient: urghghghghhh *flatlines*

    It's like evil compounding evil, unintentionally. Truly someone will be able to h4x you to death without even really caring about how or why it happened. Would make a decent updated Monty Python's Flying Circus-type skit.

  21. Re:Good use cases don't eliminate need for securit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New career opportunity -- managed care IoT wrangler.

  22. Hack people by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    So Humans are directed by the machines, and we can hack the machine. Hence we can hack humans.

    Humans can perform telephone DDoS. And moreover, they can be hacked as citizen: Now go to the polling both and vote for candidate X (replace X by the current political bogeyman)

  23. Internet Thing by tgibson · · Score: 1

    What people suffering from Dementia really need is the option to decide to leave this world on their own terms while the disease still hasn't robbed them of the ability to make those type of decisions

    Is there an Internet Thing for that?

  24. How convenient. We can once again save on care. by WPsim · · Score: 1

    But can we really? Do we expect our old and frail citizens to achieve what we typically can't, namely tame our ill-behaving devices? Think about it. When those wonderful "things" are bored from talking grandpa into taking his medicine they help other people with running a DDoS. And while doing that they conveniently forget what they were supposed to do for grandpa. I for one am not looking forward to all those sad news items about dead bodies in "modern" homes.

  25. Private, secure, open standards required for IoT! by RanceJustice · · Score: 1

    This is a great example of how the "Internet of Things" can be beneficial, but I worry that in our current American (and in some cases, global) climate of hyper-capitalist "I'll get mine, get yours, and then lock up the source so nobody else can have it...that's the way to MY perpetual growth!" ideal, such benefits won't be realized.

    Consider for instance electronic medical records. EMRs are in theory, a great benefit and both patients and medical professionals were promised the wonders of the age. Instant knowledge about a patient's complete history! All facets of healthcare providers will be able to easily and securely transfer health info upon request! Patient records will be more complete and legible than ever with patients themselves able to be in custody of their own charts without their doctors and hospitals losing anything; plus, physical copying with all its cost on time (and sometimes finances) would be a thing of the past! Prescriptions can be transferred instantly and securely, including special case (ie controlled substances)! Even the Affordable Care Act had a provision that would provide tax breaks and subsidy to encourage doctors and hospitals to switch to EMR so we can start realizing these great benefits. The results however fell significantly short of projection. While there were certainly some other issues (such as poor training on the new EMRs), the main culprit was a lack of mandatory standardization and openness with respects to the EMR software. Each EMR company spawned its own proprietary product (costing tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars or more!) that not only was often incompatible with other EMRs, but often had so many variants, plug-ins, and configuration options that two offices using the same EMR might not actually be compatible. For all these variations these products often were not flexible enough when it counted, so if a practice or hospital wanted to modify something it would range from cumbersome to impossible. Updates also proved a problem despite the fact these companies should have known that frequent updates would be required due to changes in everything from billing parameters and CPT codes to diagnosis ICD-9 (ICD-10, and soon ICD-11 ) codes and prescription databases. The only constant was cost - every little thing was a chance to gouge a little deeper! Today, my nearby hospital has a patchwork setup of EMR modules from 3 vendors, partly or completely incompatible with each other and most of the office practices have similarly incompatible EMRs. Few if any of the benefits of transition arrived as described and many doctors and patients alike had to go through considerable amounts of frustration. Only the EMR software companies and the cottage industry that sprung up around them benefited from this quagmire and they did so heavily, thanks to this problematic implementation of what should have been a good idea.

    We already know that the Internet of Things provides a similar divergent path - at its best, it will make for a more informative, convenient and usefully interconnected world, but at its worst it will be a patchwork network of privacy and security vulnerabilities on an as of yet unheard-of scale. Its all well and good to talk about the potential benefits but especially with something like elder care or any other use where peoples' lives and well being may be on the line, it is even more important that the Internet of Things be developer and implemented in the right way - which in some cases means "not at all". Proper implementation hinges upon enforcing strict guidelines of openness and compatibility.

    For instance, all IoT must communicate via open standards, ideally using existing open source/spec tools when possible. When not, new standards and protocols will be created that adhere to the underlying ideals of the project (openness, security, power etc..) through a partnership between industry groups, NGOs (IEEE and such), and perhaps certain gov't agencies (like how NIST was involved in ratifying AES as a stan

  26. Just like James Bond by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    I may be old, but just like James Bond/Daniel Craig (Casino Royale), I may one day have a chip planted in me. And when I'm picked up wandering the neighborhood, the shelter can wand me and call my family... Who might just leave me for 7-days to be put to sleep.

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    "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')