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Commercial-Mining Drones Keep Getting Attacked By Eagles (abc.net.au)

An anonymous reader summarizes an article from ABC News: The world's seventh-biggest gold producer has lost more than nine drones because of eagle attacks. "People couldn't believe I was able to get such a good photo of an eagle airborne," complained surveyor Rick Steven at a conference sponsored by the Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy. "But I didn't... Another eagle took that photo... I was getting attacked by two eagles simultaneously." The specially-constructed drones carry a $10,000 camera for high-resolution photos and equipment that produces high-detail contour maps of potential mining areas, and so far the company estimates they've lost more than $100,000 worth of technology to eagle attacks. They've tried camouflage -- including disguising the drones as another eagle -- but unfortunately, according to Stevens, the eagle is the "natural enemy" of the drone.
One drone's video is interrupted by the sudden appearance of an eagle, followed almost immediately by footage from the ground by a sideways drone camera. That video -- included in the article -- ends with a reminder that "Eagle attacks on drones have been documented across the world, to the point where some European police forces are now training them to take down unauthorized aircraft."

136 comments

  1. Zap by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    Can they put protruding electrodes on them to zap eagles?

    1. Re:Zap by fustakrakich · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, but sharpening the propeller blades will take care of the problem. Buy your props from Ginsu.

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    2. Re:Zap by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but sharpening the propeller blades will take care of the problem. Buy your props from Ginsu.

      I love drones, but do not fuck with the eagles. I love them better.

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    3. Re:Zap by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 0

      Ginsu is for sawing, not chopping

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    4. Re:Zap by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Sheesh! Lighten up, Frances. and the 'democrat' moderator should too! What kind of idiot took that seriously?

      I made the whole comment in jest. You're the one all but hurt.

      Francis.

      Friday night crowd's getting pretty drunk in here, and trying to pick fights with the sober people.

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    5. Re:Zap by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      Sheesh! Lighten up, Frances. and the 'democrat' moderator should too! What kind of idiot took [props from Ginsu] seriously?

      An "idiot" like me would take that seriously. It's only reasonable to speculate on the damage going the other way, that is, the drones harming the eagles. Gold prospectors aren't known for their compassion for wildlife. Their solution will probably be to use shotguns.

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    6. Re:Zap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a room you two =p

    7. Re:Zap by brad3378 · · Score: 1

      The root problem is the cost of the damage.

      I would implement a parachute system into the design of the drone.

      Parachute systems for drones already exist.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    8. Re:Zap by fustakrakich · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:Zap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, another thin skinned 'emo nazi' complaining about being 'mistreated'. Toughen up cupcake.

    10. Re:Zap by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Get a room you two =p

      He'd never go back to sheep.

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    11. Re:Zap by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      I suspect parachutes are irrelevant. An eagle can rip a small dog or lamb completely in half. Their talons probably crush the drone making it impossible to tear apart.

  2. What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm only worried about them and don't give a shit about the drones. Can they get hurt by the attacks?

    1. Re:What about the eagles? by alphatel · · Score: 2

      Let's be thankful that the eagles are protected, or they'd be mounting air powered rifles on the drones to take them out. No hesitation or misgivings about it whatsoever either.

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    2. Re:What about the eagles? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I'm only worried about them and don't give a shit about the drones. Can they get hurt by the attacks?

      Not likely. The drones in the article are lightweight, mostly plastic and composites. Without seeing them up close it's hard to appreciate just how big an eagle can be, and those talons are no joke. The drones wouldn't stand a chance.

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    3. Re:What about the eagles? by Jimbookis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A friend used to do hang gliding and would have wedge tail eagles either soar with him or attack him. He's had one eagle run it's claws along the leading edge of the glider to try tear it and get him out of the sky.

    4. Re: What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apps!

    5. Re:What about the eagles? by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Wish the eagles out my way would attack drones.

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    6. Re: What about the eagles? by slazzy · · Score: 0

      How about attaching some blank rounds to electrodes on the drone. I wonder if the very lound bang would be enough to change their mind.

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    7. Re:What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how much damage lightweight plastic can do. These things are essentially flying lawnmowers. Go look at R/C forums for pictures of the tissue carnage these things can cause. The motors are extremely powerful and the props are very strong. They can chop you up easily without even phasing them. They aren't toys and can be quite dangerous.

    8. Re:What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don Henley is certainly doing just fine. Glenn Frey, however... not so much.

    9. Re:What about the eagles? by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      .... They can chop you up ...</p></quote>
      An eagle's talon may win in a match with a small plastic blade, but the contest isn't always set up that way. (BTW, searching on this subject allowed me to discover egg, claw, and talon sets https://goo.gl/qHyUsm ) Myth Busters does a demonstration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgeRchTHxVk
      Birds are fragile. Sure, some have threatening talons and beaks, but the rest of their bodies are optimized for flight.

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    10. Re: What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put an explosive charge on the drone: eagle hits the drone, drone explodes, eagle gets blown to pieces. How many eagles do they have? We have reserves!

    11. Re:What about the eagles? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      They can chop you up easily without even phasing them.

      That's "fazing". Seriously. Please don't use words you've only seen other children use on the internet. You don't know what they mean.

      They aren't toys and can be quite dangerous.

      You don't have feathers, which are quite protective. The birds are going for the centers of the drones, because that's what they do to other birds. There is a risk, but it is not as large as you suggest.

      A good-sized heli is far more dangerous than a quad of the same mass because of the inertia of the single rotor.

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    12. Re:What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if it's profitable, why the hell not?

    13. Re: What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read a physics book, then get back to me.

    14. Re: What about the eagles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think the recoil from a 22 would cause issues I'm guessing? Then why not fire two back to front?

    15. Re:What about the eagles? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >A good-sized heli is far more dangerous than a quad of the same mass because of the inertia of the single rotor.

      They are also more fragile themselves. Back in 1992 or so, during the unrest in that phase between F.W. De Klerk announcing the end of appartheid and Nelson Mandela winning the election - there was a front page story in South Africa after a kid brought down a police chopper with a sling-shot. Rock hit the prop - prop broke in half.

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  3. Thus it was decided. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom hates drones.

  4. revenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much eagle habitat the mining company has destroyed.

    1. Re:revenge? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That depends. How much power did you use to boot up your computer and post that you resource using hypocrite!

    2. Re:revenge? by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      To be fair - these are gold prospectors, and very little mined gold goes into electronics (and less every year). Frankly if we limited gold use to actually doing stuff with it, we could supply ourselves for the next 5000 years or so with what we've already mined. Nearly all the gold they find will get dug out at great energy and cost, smelted down at great energy and cost... then after going to all that trouble to get it out of the ground... locked up in an underground vault and guarded at great energy and cost for ever.

      Gold mining is the single most uselessly fucking stupid thing humans do.

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    3. Re:revenge? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? Diamond mining has got to be right up there too. Digging up the ground and brutalizing Africans just so some stupid bitches can have shiny rocks on their fingers.

    4. Re:revenge? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Tough call - but I think more diamonds actually get used for things than gold. Those hard things actually have some practical uses - glass cutting and the like.

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    5. Re:revenge? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the industrial diamonds are tiny, and also I thought that with natural diamonds being so expensive, the lab-made diamonds were actually cheaper and that industrial ones came from there now. In fact, I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it says "It is estimated that 98% of industrial grade diamond demand is supplied with synthetic diamonds."

    6. Re:revenge? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      So call it a tie then... two of the biggest mining industries - and among the deadliest (gold alone kills well over 3000 people a year) - ... and done for absolutely no useful purpose.

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  5. Eyes by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Big eyes on the top like you put on a hat. Have to do the same thing with Mississippi Kites. If they can track motion, even better.

    1. Re:Eyes by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yeah that so doesn't work with the vast majority of birds.

  6. Important question unanswered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Were they golden eagles?

    1. Re:Important question unanswered by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Were they golden eagles?

      If it's in Australia then they're probably Wedgetails, Aussie relative of the Golden Eagle.

      .

    2. Re:Important question unanswered by pedz · · Score: 1

      I think (but not sure) it was a joke. It was a gold mine that is having problems.

  7. Wrong Camoflauge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they tried disguising their drones as cats?

    1. Re: Wrong Camoflauge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe little fluffy clouds would be better. Probably the eagle is attacking anything that moves.

  8. Even the birds are pro USA! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    Even the birds are pro USA! and they are good at killing the junk from china

    1. Re:Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, Australian wedge tail eagles, mate!!

    2. Re:Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ALL Eagles are pro-American. 'Cuz 'Murrica.

    3. Re:Even the birds are pro USA! by lucm · · Score: 2

      they are good at killing the junk from china

      On the other hand, if someone told the Chinese that eagle feather is rare and difficult to obtain, the eagle would disappear quickly. See what a good job they're doing with the elephants - 50 years old elephants that weigh a ton or more get killed for 40 pounds of ivory that gets sold in Beijing; in 10 years elephants will be a thing of the past. If they could do that to eagles it would save those mining companies a lot of money. Win-win, except for the animals.

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    4. Re: Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      You must convince them that eagle eggs make bigger dicks.

    5. Re: Even the birds are pro USA! by lucm · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      You must convince them that eagle eggs make bigger dicks.

      Dude you need to work on your cultural sensitivity. That kind of stuff is for the Japanese (the ones killing the whales). Keep up with things.

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    6. Re: Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      You must convince them that eagle eggs make bigger dicks.

      Dude you need to work on your cultural sensitivity. That kind of stuff is for the Japanese (the ones killing the whales). Keep up with things.

      The Japanese overhunt whales because a tiny, tiny fraction of their population wants to occasionally eat whale meat.
      The Chinese are the ones buying rhino horns, elephant livers, and tiger testicles because they think it's better than Viagra.

    7. Re: Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chinese buy it to sell to Westerners. Similar to how ginseng (an actually beneficial root for blood pressure) got marketed and associated with dumb limp dick Americans.

    8. Re: Even the birds are pro USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm, I guess all those sharkfins and sparrow nests are just made-up racist propaganda towards the Chinese.

  9. Lab experiment by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Capture an eagle and put it in an MRI or something and expose it to drone stimuli to see what's upsetting the eagle.

    1. Re:Lab experiment by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      My guess would be... the annoying drone buzzing around in its territory?

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    2. Re:Lab experiment by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      But which elements of the drone and the drone sounds are most annoying to the eagle and what can we do to make it less so? We have to do some research to figure out the best answers to those questions.

    3. Re:Lab experiment by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      I don't think it's a matter of the characteristics of the drone so much that it's intruding on it's territory. Birds can be quite territorial. I've seen smaller birds spend days attacking a "rival male" in its territory, banging into a window over and over (and over and over... I was getting close to pulling a shotgun on the little bastard).

      Honestly, I'm not really convinced there's much of anything to be done short of making a stealth drone so quiet and tiny that it won't be noticed (good luck with that, as there's a reason for the phrase "eagle-eyed"), or using a drone so large and intimidating it won't be attacked.

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    4. Re:Lab experiment by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      ...I'm not really convinced there's much of anything to be done short of making a stealth drone so quiet and tiny that it won't be noticed (good luck with that, as there's a reason for the phrase "eagle-eyed"), or using a drone so large and intimidating it won't be attacked.

      Making a camera-drone tiny may be hard, but making it big wouldn't. If you didn't need to fight the wind, hanging the drone from a balloon would increase the size without a weight penality. Perhaps a strobe at the right frequency and color would work. I agree with hackwrench. A little research would solve the problem.

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  10. Already know the answer to this one by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    Your mining drones just have to be protected. If you want to use scout drones, Hobgoblins are generally regarded as the best.

    1. Re:Already know the answer to this one by lucm · · Score: 1

      Your mining drones just have to be protected. If you want to use scout drones, Hobgoblins are generally regarded as the best.

      There's a reason Eve Online is now free. The reason is that it's not worth money.

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    2. Re:Already know the answer to this one by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually when I saw "mining drones" I first thought the same, lol.

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  11. Excellent by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No worries about getting in trouble using a gun against damn drones over your property, just take up falconry or have a sympathetic neighbor who does

    1. Re:Excellent by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Falconry is a lot of effort for keeping the rare drone out.

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    2. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries about getting in trouble using a gun against damn drones over your property, just take up falconry or have a sympathetic neighbor who does

      ...and it's the Australian outback... "your property" may be half a million acres...

    3. Re:Excellent by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      But birds of prey have other uses for these times. Like ripping the hair extensions out of looting and rioting thugs. Grabbing megaphones of protester leaders.

  12. How do you mine commercials? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or, is someone just bad at using-hyphens?

  13. Eywa? by jalvarez13 · · Score: 1

    We just awoke our planet's soul and it's fighting back... Jokes aside, this article makes me think about how we are used to having our technological creations interfere with our complex world without much opposition from nature. If there exists something like karma, it should look like this.

  14. The eagles are right by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Informative
    The eagles attack the drones because they are defending their territory. In this case the intruders are "commercial mining" interests. If the miners find anything they will inevitably destroy the local ecology and the eagles will suffer a great population loss or even be wiped out in the mining area. So the eagles are doing the right thing by making it harder for land exploitation businesses to destroy their homes.

    I'm on the side of the eagles on this one.

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    1. Re:The eagles are right by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I call bullshit. The eagles are potentially defending territory, or confusing drones for prey items. They are probably also getting injured in these attacks.

      However, implying that the eagles are attacking due to the mining interests possible future actions is ludicrous. Also, mining is necessary to maintain the lifestyle yo enjoy. Otherwise go post on the internet with two sticks and some fur. I am all for protecting the eagles and the environment, but recognize our human needs too. And, I for one think flying a drone over prospect areas is much less intrusive than larger aircraft, and even less negative than slashing a road into a prospect area.

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    2. Re:The eagles are right by lucm · · Score: 1, Insightful

      implying that the eagles are attacking due to the mining interests possible future actions is ludicrous.

      Eagles are apex predators, they never eat dead meat and they're also the most advanced teachers in the animal world, dropping their kids from high in the sky and catching them over and over on their open wings until they figure out how to fly. They're as badass as it gets, more than many people I know.

      If they're against mining, I'm selling all my shares in those mines because they're fucked.

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    3. Re:The eagles are right by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wow, you have real anger issues. Calm down.

      No where did I imply that the eagles were consciously recognizing that their future as a species was endangered. I was pointing out that their natural instinct to defend their turf happened to impede intrusion from humans as well as their natural opponents, other birds.

      As for "human needs", given that this is Australia it's very likely that these are going to be huge mining operations that alter the landscape radically by moving cubic kilometers of rock. The easy picking are gone when it comes to minerals, so that is what happens in most of the world these days.

      After this kind of mining the landscape is so torn up that there is not much left for any form of life after the mines are closed. That includes humans. Just look at the mountain removal for coal in the US Appalachians. They leave a shattered toxic landscape where the locals are stuck with horrible pollution.

      Even without open pit or removing entire mountains there can be serious environmental consequences for more traditional mines. Take the toxic discharge from the Gold King Mine mine in Colorado. Abandoned since 1924, it had been filling with acidic water with high heavy metal concentrations. In 2015 it burst open during an attempt by the EPA to clean up the sight. Significant amounts of toxic water spread downstream into New Mexico affecting Navajo lands where people subsist of locally grown produce and sheep herding. They depend on the river water for their livelihood.

      So when you talk about human need, are you including or excluding the people who have to live where the mining happens? Do the Navajo count? Do the people of Appalachia count? What about the people in Oklahoma who are experiencing earthquakes for the first time in their lives? Remember that a lot of time when the word "need" is used, the real word is "greed".

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    4. Re:The eagles are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I volunteer at a raptor rehabilitation center. I promise you from first hand experience, eagles will eat dead meat if available. Not only is that the number 1 way they get lead poisoning, but it's also how we feed them. I have video of a bald eagle eating pre-killed rat.

    5. Re:The eagles are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wedgies definitely eat carrion. They also have a reputation for attacking hang-gliders that stray into their territory.

      With a 3 meter wingspan and a temper, they're a bit more of a worry than those little eagles you get in the USA.

    6. Re:The eagles are right by lucm · · Score: 2

      The article you linked is terrifying.

      The purpose of this very high flight is unknown.

      They're up to something and we don't know what that is. Remember last time something like that happened? Pearl Harbor.

      I'm telling you, if the eagles disapprove of mining, we should stop mining. Before it's too late.

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    7. Re:The eagles are right by readingprofile · · Score: 1

      So your immediate reaction is to go against the miners despite the fact that mining is the means of getting the materials necessary for modern civilization. Mining can certainly be a messy business and miners have something of a reputation for being environmentally dodgy, but it's still necessary.

    8. Re:The eagles are right by oobayly · · Score: 1

      "they never eat dead meat". Better tell David Attenborough that - Planet Earth 2 took some amazing footage of a golden eagle fighting off birds (crows, I think) that were pecking away at a dead animal. It then had to fight off another eagle.

    9. Re:The eagles are right by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      If they get lasers and team up with the sharks, we're doomed.

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    10. Re:The eagles are right by lucm · · Score: 2

      If they get lasers and team up with the sharks, we're doomed.

      Sharks, or orcas. Those have a score to settle with us, thanks to the people at SeaWorld who've been kidnapping them, separating them from their families, and holding them almost constantly in tiny dark pens that make isolation holding cells in Supermax look like luxury (at least prisoners can walk in circle).

      Mankind is like a crooked foreman in a sweatshop that's been using his position to extort bribes and sexual favors from helpless workers. Mistreated showbiz animals; lab test subjects; massacred whales and elephants; dogs forced to wear sweaters. There will be a reckoning, and the eagles are apparently the Spartacus of this uprising.

      You think your iPhones, Linuxes and Arduinos will protect you? No they won't. Repent, people, and stop bothering eagles with your drones, for the sake of humanity.

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    11. Re:The eagles are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Necessary indeed! This is a matter of extreme importance to the future leader of the free world.

      https://img.washingtonpost.com/express/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/GettyImages-622407668.gif

    12. Re:The eagles are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eagles are apex predators, they never eat dead meat and they're also the most advanced teachers in the animal world, dropping their kids from high in the sky and catching them over and over on their open wings until they figure out how to fly.

      I don't know where you get your information, but your first two statements are nonsense. As someone who has volunteered with raptor rehabilitation, and is an avid birdwatcher and photographer, I can say that eagles most certainly eat dead meat. I've witnessed it many times and have photographed that behavior. In fact one of the most common causes of injury/death for eagles is that they scavenge roadkill and then get hit by cars when they try to take off into traffic. Another big problem for eagles is scavenging deer gut piles left by hunters, which contain lead, so many die from the resulting lead poisoning. And I'm not aware of any bird species that "drops their kids" to teach them how to fly. Birds learn how to fly on their own, nobody needs to teach them. Altricial bird species (which includes all raptors) don't leave the nest area until they can fly, which they learn and practice on their own.

      I'm guessing these particular eagles are not seeing the drones as food, but rather are protecting their territory. Eagles aren't built to catch their prey on the wing like a falcon, so they see the drones as an intruder and are trying to fight them off. Hopefully not getting injured in the process.

    13. Re:The eagles are right by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with some of these siblings. Eagles most definately eat dead meat, they are scavengers and will eat whatever is available. When camping with the scouts, we often toss the fish carcases into the lake and watch the eagles grab them to eat them.

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    14. Re:The eagles are right by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://www.google.com/maps/@2...

      Yeah, totally so small they can't even turn around. If only supermax was so tiny.

      Perhaps you should reign in that hyperbole, it makes you look like a zealot.

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    15. Re:The eagles are right by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Gold mining is hardly needed. Very little gold is actually used in anything resembling modern society, and is for the most part used as decorative items.

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  15. Maybe, just MAYBE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should learn to hire programmers who are friendly with the Eagles.

    I can assure you that only employing people you are sure of having absolute control over will not make the Eagles see drones as friendly.

    Dumb ass people.

  16. Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above them by NetFusion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After flying RC planes/helicopters/quads for decades you learn that flying above a bird of prey is considered an aggressive dominating move and they will almost always counter to defend their territory and reestablish dominance. If you fly below them like the other smaller birds they consider you prey and rarely attack because you are not their familiar favorite meal.

  17. How do you mine commercials? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the hyphen?

  18. How many drones lost again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More than nine? Maybe 10??

  19. Why is this a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know plenty of people who would love to take care of that eagle problem. For much less than $100K..

  20. Re:Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above them by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Me it's RC boats. I live in a city so it's the cheapest, quickest way to get my RC nerdery done. Apparently, for a dog's visual cortex, this:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OdtfMNj...

    looks like the most delicious roast chicken a dog could ever want. As soon as I put the boat in the water, every dog around will jump into the water and desperately swim after the stupid thing. Now I warn dog owners before I put the boat in the water!

    One day a guy shows up with a Husky. He tells me not to worry, Huskies don't like the water. OK, fine. After he told me he never thought he'd see his dog chest-deep in the water! It was true however that this dog didn't go any further and didn't actually swim for it. But he also didn't expect to have to towel down his dog!

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  21. Give up by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    mother nature has won.

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  22. Re: Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! Such story! Much relavent!

  23. Ever since I was a kid... by sootman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... I've hated this retarded construction: "More than" + some weird number -- high, specific, not round.

    "The world's seventh-biggest gold producer has lost more than nine drones because of eagle attacks."

    So... ten drones, then?

    I just heard "over 46" somethings earlier tonight. That would be 47, I suppose?

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    1. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Zibodiz · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one who feels that way. It drives me up the wall.
      It's got to be some psychological thing; "if I say 'more than,' it'll seem more substantial than if I just say 'ten.'"

    2. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Yes, this bugs me too, as it just seems like a cumbersome way to quantify things. I would have said "ten," or "at least ten", or maybe even something like "They're tally of drones lost to eagles has hit double digits."

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    3. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Calydor · · Score: 2

      I completely agree, the last more than 17 times was the final straw.

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    4. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's an easy way of making an article still relevant given a lack of a timeline.

      Over 46 will still be over 46 tomorrow.
      47 may not be 47 tomorrow

    5. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by johannesg · · Score: 1

      I have the same thing with time information.

      "The event occurred last week (local time)"

      Sure, I know about timezones. But is "last week" really so specific that we must be told that it happened at a 'local time'? Whose local time is that anyway: mine, or the time of the place where the event happened?

    6. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      "The world's seventh-biggest gold producer has lost more than nine drones because of eagle attacks."

      So... ten drones, then?

      Actually, no. It's more retarded than that. In this case, "more than nine" means exactly nine:
      One crashed as a result of human error, while nine have been taken down by wedge-tailed eagles

    7. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recall a fellow on Top Gear saying he was stopped by the cops for speeding. In court they said that he was doing between 106 and 108. He said that would be 107 then.

    8. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the had a deadline and couldn't confirm 11 bird? Perhaps they couldn't confirm all were eagles?

      What bother me is headlines with "may" in them.
      Eagles "may" attack drones.
      X "may" cause cancer.
      Y "may" combat cancer.
      I "may" fart today.

      All have exactly the same non-substance ... well, unless you are nearby, then my SBD fart might take you out. ;)

    9. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could have been 106.7!

    10. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also a way of dealing with vagueness.

      Maybe they've lost 20 drones altogether, they know that 9 of them were attacked by eagles, 4 by some kind of bird they couldn't identify (but probably an eagle, it's the only thing big enough to really mess up a drone that badly), and the other 7 by causes unknown (but eagles can't be ruled out).

      Then "More than 9" is shorthand for "do you really want us to go into all this crap?"

    11. Re:Ever since I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://xkcd.com/870/

  24. Who's the good Eagle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are.

  25. Horse's head scene from the Godfather by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    A nesting pair of Cooper's Hawks in the back yard killed a crow, and they were batting around a dismembered crow's head to entertain their fledgling.

    The crows will mess with a raptor, especially since they are more numerous. Like with the horse's head in the bed scene, I think the hawks were sending a message that this is not a good idea.

    1. Re:Horse's head scene from the Godfather by Raenex · · Score: 1

      The crows will mess with a raptor, especially since they are more numerous.

      I once had a flock of crows settle on my lawn, like hundreds (I had a big front yard). It was like something out of a Stephen King novel.

    2. Re:Horse's head scene from the Godfather by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      did you feed them french fries?

  26. More than nine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We know how to count to ten here...

  27. We've gone too long disguising our drones as eagle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a mistake doing this operation. Top Gun was such a success, we figured a spin off called Iron Eagle would work. But even after giving it a second go, the project had to be scrapped.

  28. Eagle Power! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Destroy the drone scum. The eagle shall be victorious.

  29. It's a shame ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... we can't get eagles to attack unneeded hyphens.

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    1. Re:It's a shame ... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      And apostrophe's.

    2. Re: It's a shame ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hymens.

    3. Re: It's a shame ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you did there so I won't correct you :P

  30. Re: Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, I found it moderately interesting.

  31. Additional info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems this all started after a disagreement between the mines and their lawyer harvey birdman.

  32. disguising the drones as another eagle - oRLY? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    How retarded are people in our times?

    Like every animal of prey Eagles are very territorial. Of course they attack any other eagle, or bird of prey in their territory. Camouflaging a drone as an Eagle is like painting a big cross hair on it.

    On top of that: the drones are pretty big. It is no surprise that a eagle is concerned about it and attacks drones, too.

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  33. Re: Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above the by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    Meh, it just shows we have no idea how an animal will interpret things.

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  34. Nelson moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [points at mining company] ha ha!

    (Seriously this is the coolest thing I've read in a long time. Go eagles!)

  35. $10000 drone + $10000 camera ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless the Australian $ was heavily devalued recently there're overpaying for a 1m flying wing. Should be at most $1000 fully equipped with enough bells and whistles to scare off eagles.

    The camera would have to be a specialist hyperspectral unit to cost that much as well.

  36. Re: Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above the by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Meh, it just shows we have no idea how an animal will interpret things.

    Meh, your response (and the AC response) show how out of touch you are with memes. You aren't even familiar with the ones which are over already. Not that this means you're a bad person. It probably means you have a life

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  37. I will try a reflective paint job by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I want to try using that mirror paint on the inside of a lexan body shell. I'm planning to vacuuform bodies for my quads because I can't find good protective shells for them otherwise. I wonder what a bird would think of that... maybe stop to admire itself in the reflection ;)

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  38. Eagles v 'Rape and Pilllage' Gold Mining company by tg123 · · Score: 1

    "....In this case the intruders are 'commercial mining' interests. If the miners find anything they will inevitably destroy the local ecology...."

    I say one for the 'Little guy' but the little guy is one of the world's largest eagles with a wing span of 1.8 to 2 metres.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    A mining company like this will take all the gold out using open cut mining and leave a huge scar in the ground.
    'Rape and Pillage' of the enviroment on a grand scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  39. Use 'em mining lasers! by evanh · · Score: 1

    Surely a mining machine can crush things with it's mining gear? Makes you wonder how a bird can knock over such heavy machinery? Oh, wait, it's only a surveying drone!

  40. Let Freedom Ring! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go Eagles, the last protector of freedom.

  41. Hire some zoologist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not hire someone who studies eagles to figure out why they're doing this? Eagles are Apex predators and like many apex predators are typically solitary and territorial. It probably thinks the drone is a food or mate competitor and it's protecting it's territory. Learn it's behavior and see if the drone is doing something to incite a protective or territorial or hunting response, then fix the drones so they don't incite the eagle to attack. Done.

    Gold miners. You're borrowing the environment, learn to live with it, don't just do stupid shit. Disguising the drone to look like an eagle? That probably made it want to attack even more. Morons.

  42. Re:Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above them by Solandri · · Score: 1

    looks like the most delicious roast chicken a dog could ever want.

    LOL. Dogs are bred from wolves, which chase their prey down - sometimes for miles - until it tires or stumbles and they're able to make the kill. So they're genetically predisposed to chase after things that move - squirrels, cars, tennis balls, thrown sticks. A boat in the water is a moving (chase-able) object with no distracting background, so triggers this chase instinct.

    Cats likewise are stealth pouncers, so turning your back on them (so you can no longer see the cat) triggers an instinctive attack response.

  43. It is obvious... by CO-Jayne · · Score: 1

    I don't know why this is a problem. Just kill all of the eagles. Not like they will have a place to live once the mining company is done.

  44. "More than nine"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because it sounds so much more like news than "ten".

  45. I didn't mean injury [Re:Zap] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    What's with the bad mods? I did NOT mean to kill or injure the eagles, just scare them enough to end the attack. It's comparable to an electric fence for cattle: it doesn't kill the cattle, just frightens them.

  46. Easily Solved by khelms · · Score: 1

    We just need Gandalf to whisper a few words to a moth and the eagles will go away.

  47. Eagles often attack gliders by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Can be rather off putting. They tend to hit the leading edge of the wing, trying to break it, but come off second best. Sometimes they go for the canopy.

    Eagles are generally good for fining thermals, and so we often join them in flight, which is a wonderful thing. But if they look aggressive, time to move on.

    I was once attacked by a Magpie (size of a crow). The little bird flapped his way up a thousand feet to my height above a ridge and then dived at my canopy. I then dived after him, but was no contest of course, he just flipped up behind me and had another go. Eventually I got high enough that he thought I was not a threat and just dropped out of the sky.

  48. Mines of Moria by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    "Moria... You fear to go into those mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum... shadow and flame."

    Sounds like Gandalf is finally learning that he should just call the Eagles first and let them sort it out... :)

  49. Re:Respect the pecking order. Don't fly above them by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

    probably more like a roast duck than roast chicken.