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A Windows 10 Alternative: Ubuntu-Based Zorin OS Linux Distro (betanews.com)

"With a click of a button, you can change the desktop layout to match that of Windows versions and Gnome 3. The Ultimate edition...also features Ubuntu, Gnome 2 and macOS-like layouts." BrianFagioli shares an article about a Linux-based operating system "designed for Windows-switchers." While the company does charge for an "Ultimate" version, the "Core" edition of Zorin OS 12 is entirely free... "As Zorin OS 12 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, it will be supported with security updates until April 2021. This makes Zorin OS 12 the ideal choice for large deployments in businesses, governments, schools and organisations", says The Zorin OS Team"... Zorin OS features some really great features, such as Google Drive integration with the file browser.
Although unlike Windows 10, its default browser is Chromium.

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  1. layout == replacement? by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Making a desktop look like Windows 10 is hardly the requirement for a replacement. Can it run Windows software, or replacements for them in a way no other linux distro could? I think we know the answer, hell no.

    1. Re:layout == replacement? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You will have to admit though that tablets and smartphones these days feature apps that are easy/intuitive to use and often beat clunky desktop apps with slow development cycles.

      No I won't. Take your fixie and fuck off on it.

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    2. Re:layout == replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm still waiting for the current batch of DE to match the usability of 1990 desktops. They seem to remove more than they add, with decreased flexibility. But gee 'modern'.

    3. Re:layout == replacement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who has to admit that?

      The applications available even for Linux desktops for a number of uses are better than anything available for any tablet, let alone Mac and Windows desktops. Smartphone and tablet "apps" on the other hand? Sure, they have a low barrier to entry as far as use is concerned, but there's far less variety. I can't get anything for the Android tablet that I do own to edit HD video in any reasonable way (partly because it's not powerful enough, partly because the software isn't available for the tablet anyway). In Linux I apt-get install kdenlive and I can do everything I need to...for nothing.

      Smartphones and tablets are easy and intuitive to use, absolutely. If you think that they're anywhere close to the point where they can "beat clunky desktop apps" in all sorts of arenas (not just HD video processing), you obviously haven't used a desktop for much more than games and browsing. Here's a fun exercise, try coding something on your smartphone using the touchscreen, you'll see what I mean pretty much immediately. Desktops have taken a big hit because a lot of people just don't need one; there's quite a lot of people left who do. The problem is that they tend to build a system that works for them for years and years, whereas the smartphone lifecycle is much shorter and more profitable. The "desktops are obsolete" argument is about as unlikely to me as a paper-free office, even today. Technically? Sure, both can probably be replaced...when a better replacement comes along.

    4. Re:layout == replacement? by DarkVader · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding. It's a cancer that's affected all operating systems. Linux has gotten some of the worst of it, but Apple is suffering too. Somebody needs to pull out Apple's old Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines and read it.

      And MicroSloth never got it anywhere close to right to start with.

    5. Re:layout == replacement? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Most people won't even know if they're running Windows programs.

      Give me a Linux desktop that visually matches Windows 2000, XP and 7 and I'll have happy 'customers'.

      Make some icon changes and they won't even know it's not Excel and IE.

    6. Re:layout == replacement? by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      nobody gets fired for buying Microsoft

      Not true.

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    7. Re:layout == replacement? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Pfft.... ever try to do a dist upgrade on an Ubuntu box? I give it.... 60% chance of working flawlessly. 20% chance of working OK. 20% chance of making you say.... fuck it! I'm restoring from backup....

      I've done 2 Linux Mints, 2 Ubuntu Mates, and a Lubuntu total upgrade so far this month, and all have worked perfectly. As did the number I did earlier this year. By your calculations I'm in for a long spell of failure.

      I was a little concerned about the Lubuntu Upgrade since it was on a netbook that hadn't been used for a while. But it was flawless. In any event, a better track record than Windows 10 so far.

      I dunno where you guys get your facts and figures anyhow.

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    8. Re:layout == replacement? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      been doing that do hundreds of debian based OS including Ubuntu for over a decade just fine. you must suck. buy windows, it's for you.

  2. 'member Lindows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdRTOh2jeA

  3. Preinstall it or die by paulatz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, those of us who can install an operating system are hardly scared by "moving to a desktop environment like GNOME or Unity can be confusing and scary (from TFA)." Those of us who are scared by such a monstrous change in paradigm will never be able to install an OS, or understand that an OS is not part of the laptop, for what matters.

    Either these guys manage to get their stuff preinstalled on some decent PCs, and I wish them the best luck possible, or I hardly see some hacker giving them 15 bucks for the privilege of a macosx-inspired theme, 20 crappy games and video wallpapers (I may give them some money to NOT have video wallpapers).

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  4. Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, but just making the UI "similar" is not enough to make it an "alternative" any different than the likes of Mint.
    It would need to actually be able to run every Windows based applications and games, without issues, for it to be an "alternative".
    This is just Linux with a different coat of paint on top, nothing new.

  5. Loved the pros and cons in the comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Pros: It's not Windows 10
    Cons: It's trying to look like Windows 10"

    1. Re:Loved the pros and cons in the comments by Kjella · · Score: 2

      "Pros: It's not Windows 10
      Cons: It's trying to look like Windows 10"

      I've never understood the marketing philosophy that pretty much says let's try chasing the customers who really like our competitor's product by making a cheap knock-off just like it. Unless you're trying to make some kind of counterfeit for people who like to pretend they have a Rolex or Louis Vuitton bag, but who wants to pretend to have Windows 10? I'd be looking for the customers looking for a fork in the road, I have version $n-1 but don't really like change in version $n so what alternative can you offer me? Sure, a lot of us will probably painfully and begrudgingly upgrade Windows when push comes to shove but at least you stand a chance.

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  6. Gaming by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not.
    I would love to switch to Linux. The fact of the matter, nearly every program which I want to run, does not work natively on Linux.
    Office? Nope. Photoshop? Nope.
    Please, do not tell me to use WINE. Sure, it may be possible to get it going, but it is shit. Complete and total shit.
    Wine is like buying a 911 4S then insisting the buyer replace the tire with a 13 inch wheels from a 1979 Datsun B210. Sure, it will technically work, but what the fuck did you buy that car for?

    1. Re:Gaming by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are whole websites dedicated to games that run on linux: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/

      In the last 1-2 years there has been increased progress in porting over games to linux, and in driver development for GPUs.

      Its very good to have corporate backers like red hat or valve to work on mesa and similar projects. The future of linux gaming is certainly looking great.

      Already now you can play a very wide range of proprietary and free (as in freedom) games on linux, and its getting more every day.

      If you want the last bit of performance, or if your favourite game doesn't have a linux port nor works with wine, then you obviously should use Windows, but if you can make minor compromises on that front, linux for you.

    2. Re:Gaming by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not. I would love to switch to Linux. The fact of the matter, nearly every program which I want to run, does not work natively on Linux. Office? Nope. Photoshop? Nope.

      You brag about your closed ecosystem, while I think "poor guy is stuck running Windows."

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    3. Re:Gaming by blindseer · · Score: 2

      Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not.

      I was thinking more of if the OS can run call center software, supports the time clock system we use, has drivers for our 2D barcode scanner, things like that. You can play games, I got work to do.

      Actually, I don't have work to do. I just finished playing a game on a Windows XP computer I keep around to run some old games I like. It also runs PuTTY and has a serial port, which is nice for talking to Cisco gear.

      I happen to run games on Windows because I happened to need Windows at one time and I picked up some games for it. I don't consider myself a "gamer" and so I don't spend money on games any more. I just play the old ones I already own when I'm bored. When I do need a computer I consider what work I need to do and how a certain computer will help me do it. I do run Windows on a couple computers but not because of the games I can get.

      If you choose your OS based on the games then that's fine by me. I'm just thinking that if someone wants me to use a different OS then they need to show me how it helps get work done.

      I'm sure that getting popular games to run on an OS will get some people to switch but I don't know anyone that does not also use their "gaming" computer to also do work. One thing about gaming is that people will buy a game console for games if their work computer isn't suited for gaming. What people don't do is complain that their Nintendo doesn't let them do their taxes.

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    4. Re:Gaming by iONiUM · · Score: 2

      Show me one professional graphic designer who actually makes quality work and can use Gimp and .. I don't even know what the illustrator alternative is on Linux. Inkscape? It's awful.

      They use macOS and Windows for a reason. The real tools are Adobe's (at this time), and no professional takes Gimp seriously. The fact that you suggest it just re-iterates what the problem with Linux zealots are.

  7. Re:Emulating Windows 10? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    I haven't experienced windows 10, but 8 is worse than 7 and 7 is worse than XP, so I'm not exactly full of joyous anticipation.

    Maybe there's a 3rd-party addon that'll make it almost as good as ME?

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  8. Re:Emulating Windows 10? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a Mac user, but - in my opinion, Windows 7 was actually the pinnacle* of Windows' operating systems. It's what I've used in any home VMs I've set up for stuff requiring Windows, such as my wife's sewing software.

    8 and 10 seem like several steps backward; although 10 is progressing and likely will eventually get to where it's indistinguishable from 7.

    * For sufficiently low definitions of "pinnacle".

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  9. Loves me some Linux Mint Cinnamon... by doc6502 · · Score: 2

    ... for the simple reason the desktop isn't cluttered (unless I want it cluttered), it's easy to add / remove app launchers, the desktop look and feel are easy to configure. It looks a lot like Windows 7, which worked for me no problem. I'm not a big "make your desktop like your personality" guy. I just like getting work done, and I want my desktop to do what it's supposed to do: gimmie GUI, with a minimal amount of fuss. I've been using Mint for the last 3 years and it's my favorite distro.

  10. Desktop uncanny valley - Re:layout == replacement? by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No I don't think you will have happy customers. In fact making Linux look exactly like any other operating system like Windows or Mac is a recipe for disaster. I think of it as the uncanny valley of desktops. At first users may be comforted seeing something familiar. But as they use it, subtle differences will lead to a jarring experience. And sooner or later, as the GP said, users will try to install some cool program they found that won't work when they download it.

    In my experience moving people from Windows to Linux, having a look and feel that closely resembles Windows is not at all important. It's not helpful at all. Most Linux desktops function similarly enough to Windows to be nearly immediately usable to most users. Having a look and feel that's different from Windows reinforces the idea that they aren't using Windows anymore, but something different, though it works on the same principles. I have never changed program icons to "Excel" or "Word" as that also would be harmful when they encounter differences (as soon as they open the application... LibreOffice looks and acts very differently from current versions of Office). Instead I make shortcuts entitled "Word Processor" or "Spreadsheet." Often I just leave them as they were.

    Really none of this theming nonsense is necessary and it's not helpful to Linux adoption. In fact it may actually be harmful in the long run. Linux desktops have to stand on their own or we're doomed to failure.

  11. Win2k is the apex of windows GUI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Win2k is the last windows version with a efficient UI.
    Every version after add more eye candy while simultaneously try to hide functionality. Settings are hidden inside more and more layers and take far more clicks to access.
    I would say Win2k is the closest point to "right" any MS OS ever been.